Religion shoud be outlawed

[CycloWizard]

yes. And I'm sure all of the buildings of all of the educational institutions that you attended, all of the sewage systems that you pissed and shat in as you matured to an educated, productive member of society, the laws that protected you (in theory), the roads upon which you've traveled, the public and social services provided to you...all of these things that you have apparently deserved for free, have done nothing to make you who you are, and you certainly owe no one anything.

Oh, you mean all of the private schools that I've paid for (and still am paying for via student loans), all of the roads that I've paid for via taxes, all of the services that I've paid for with taxes, and all of the legal protections I pay for with taxes? Are those all of the free things that you're talking about?

I owe all of my success to sewers and roads rather than hard work, which is why the crack addict in north St. Louis, who drives the same roads I do and whose piss flows in the same pipes as mine, contributes just as much to society as I do. Oh, but he pays nothing to use these services and I do. Oh, and he contributes nothing to society, but gets to use its resources for nothing.

So, at what point is my payment for services rendered enough to pay for services rendered? If I am paying more than my marginal usage of these services, why do I still owe society for them? Why are the contributions of dead people enough to make me indebted to them forever, but my contributions are worth nothing? Am I an artist whose work is only valuable long after I die? Are you going to write my family a check for the net benefits your family has derived from my hard work?

 

[HumblePie]

Ban religions? No.

Do I think religions are a fairy tale? Yes.

Would I like to see humanity move beyond the need for religion? Definite yes.


However, I am not naive enough to think that will happen any time soon if ever. There are 1 of 3 things which will have to occur before humans finally stop believing in religions.

1) Time machine is invented. This way we can go back in time and find proof about how all these religions started. When people see it's a bunch of over imaginative people from the stone age with nothing better to do, then we might start moving forward.

2) Faster than light travel is invented with optics good enough to capture images from a near infinite distance. Sort of like option 1. We could move so far away from the planet that we can view light that has left it thousands of years before and "see" what happened in the past. Then the same result will happen.

3) Damn near total annihilation of the human race where the only survivors are atheists. Rather not have this option happen at all.



Baring those 3, which all make for quite a few basis of many sci-fi novels, religion is not going anywhere. All we can hope is that people that believe in religion in the future do not use it as more excuses to cause atrocities on mankind. Beyond that, what someone wants to do on their Sunday, or whatever other day they like to observe their religion, has nothing to do with me.

 

[kitchiku]

its the flaws of being human that make religions bad. religions per se are not bad, its the humans running them that are. This is not restricted to religion but to any kind of organization actually.

 

[zinfamous]

Oh, you mean all of the private schools that I've paid for (and still am paying for via student loans), all of the roads that I've paid for via taxes, all of the services that I've paid for with taxes, and all of the legal protections I pay for with taxes? Are those all of the free things that you're talking about?

I owe all of my success to sewers and roads rather than hard work, which is why the crack addict in north St. Louis, who drives the same roads I do and whose piss flows in the same pipes as mine, contributes just as much to society as I do. Oh, but he pays nothing to use these services and I do. Oh, and he contributes nothing to society, but gets to use its resources for nothing.

So, at what point is my payment for services rendered enough to pay for services rendered? If I am paying more than my marginal usage of these services, why do I still owe society for them? Why are the contributions of dead people enough to make me indebted to them forever, but my contributions are worth nothing? Am I an artist whose work is only valuable long after I die? Are you going to write my family a check for the net benefits your family has derived from my hard work?

yes, I was talking about taxes. paying the public for public good out of your so-called hard-earned cash, thus paying you back via un-calculable social benefit. figure out the monetary, time, and mental savings you achieved by not having to trudge through the mud every day, walk outside and shit in a hole every day, boil water for an hour before every drink. etc....

that's exactly what I'm talking about.


Good for you that it took you no less than 3 paragraphs to figure that out.


and funny that you worry about the non-threatening crack addict sullying your public goods, rather than the roving hoards of brigands that at one time would easily set upon your undefended and lawless city state, rape your wife and steal your children, all for shits, because you had no public goods. It's a good thing you don't have to worry about shit that matters anymore, b/c now you have that crack addict that you've never seen in your entire sheltered life, what a fucking threat. It must be hard for you to live your life when a crack addict is out there prowling for crack.

 

[Zorkorist]

I think you are wrong sir, respectively. I don't think religion is responsible for hatred/destruction etc. People do. People are smart enough to use any religion to justify their destructive needs. Abolishing religion won't stop bloodshed or harm done by these people, they will just do it anyways and use another reason to justify their actions (instead of some religion). What we, as a society, need is more education on love, acceptance and compassion. Also more education on mental disorders. Treating emotional disorder will lessen the need for many of these people to channel their rage and anger toward others around them.

This boils down to whether people are good or bad. I believe people are good, and they don't need Religion to Govern them.

And when you look at Governments, like Religion, or America's Republic, there is no question as to which is the better Government.

-John

 

[bfdd]

So stamping all over first amendment rights is cool I guess....

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Because even if you remove the first part with banning the religion, you have to get rid of the rest. Freedom to peaceably assemble? Gone smashed. Hell get rid of the freedom of speech too because I mean, we won't be able to talk about religious teachings right since religion would be banned. Might as well get rid of the freedom of press too because God(oops) forbid someone start a newspaper with a religious perspective.

Only fucking douche bags want to ban/outlaw religion and this is coming from someone who hates organized religion.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

This boils down to whether people are good or bad. I believe people are good, and they don't need Religion to Govern them.

And when you look at Governments, like Religion, or America's Republic, there is no question as to which is the better Government.

-John

If that is true then it's because America's Republic does not allow the government the oppressive power to ban religion and similar dictatorial powers. America's Republic does well because we keep that which would be our master on a leash, although it gets away sometimes. Give the leash to the dog and see if you like to be led by it.

 

[Zorkorist]

So stamping all over first amendment rights is cool I guess....



Because even if you remove the first part with banning the religion, you have to get rid of the rest. Freedom to peaceably assemble? Gone smashed. Hell get rid of the freedom of speech too because I mean, we won't be able to talk about religious teachings right since religion would be banned. Might as well get rid of the freedom of press too because God(oops) forbid someone start a newspaper with a religious perspective.

Only fucking douche bags want to ban/outlaw religion and this is coming from someone who hates organized religion.

No. Religion is a Government. opposed to our Governement, which advocates freedom of the press, freedom of speech, etc.

Freedom of Rekigion, is what I advocate we lose.

-John

 

[Zorkorist]

Once you realize that Religion is Government, you can see how it is against the American Government.

We allowed freedom of Religion for years, but now we see what Religion does, and we outlaw it.

That's what Governments do.

-John

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Once you realize that Religion is Government, you can see how it is against the American Government.

We allowed freedom of Religion fo years, byt now we see what Religion does, and we outlaw it.

That's what Governments do.

-John

Don't bogart that joint.

 

[Zorkorist]

..

 

[CycloWizard]

yes, I was talking about taxes. paying the public for public good out of your so-called hard-earned cash, thus paying you back via un-calculable social benefit. figure out the monetary, time, and mental savings you achieved by not having to trudge through the mud every day, walk outside and shit in a hole every day, boil water for an hour before every drink. etc....

that's exactly what I'm talking about.


Good for you that it took you no less than 3 paragraphs to figure that out.

If I buy a burger at McDonald's for $3, McDonald's has the right to levy a tax against me for the rest of my life because I survived due to consuming those calories, because I didn't have to expend the opportunity costs related to raising my own cattle and wheat, my own tomatoes for ketchup, et cetera? Or is it fair enough that McDonald's give me a burger for a price which I agree to pay and we go our separate ways?

and funny that you worry about the non-threatening crack addict sullying your public goods, rather than the roving hoards of brigands that at one time would easily set upon your undefended and lawless city state, rape your wife and steal your children, all for shits, because you had no public goods. It's a good thing you don't have to worry about shit that matters anymore, b/c now you have that crack addict that you've never seen in your entire sheltered life, what a fucking threat. It must be hard for you to live your life when a crack addict is out there prowling for crack.

What the hell do you know about my life? Moreover, what the hell does my life story have to do with anything? Why are you insisting on strawmen when I framed a perfectly coherent argument? Nothing you posted here has any relevance to what I posted in the post you quoted. Nothing. You're just a troll who is barking at the end of his leash. Your claim was that I accomplish what I accomplish due to society's input into my life. My counterpoint was that this is obviously false, as society inputs the same into the crack addict as the productive citizen, yet in your world, more is demanded of the productive citizen than of the crack addict. Not only that, but the more the productive citizen produces, the more he owes society. You need to justify this assertion. As yet, you have failed to do so.

 

[beginner99]

People choose their religion.

They mostly don't. They just do more or less what they were thought by parents/familiy and their culture.

That's what makes it so dangerous and mostly impossible to eliminate. Also it is not really a choice if you believe in any God(s) or not. You do or you don't. Because it's a feeling and learnt behaviour which makes it immune to reasoning. There might be a few people that can be brought to their senses but most not.

Always a good read:
http://www.cscs.umich.edu/~crshalizi/Dawkins/viruses-of-the-mind.html

 

[Nemesis 1]

Religion is another form of Government, one that has been proven wrong throughout history. It does not allow for questioning it's rules or beliefs, it does not allow for trial by a jury of your peers, in short, it's 1300 to 2000 years old.

Isn't it time that we outlaw it, in the face of Government, which is a superior moderator of society?

The two can't coexist.

There are millions of people crushed by Religion today, and if America had a strict no religion policy, they could have hopes, that a Government would some day be there, and Religion would be squashed.

-John

13OO to 2,000 years old . First thing once you get a clue as to facts go ahead start a thread like this . The first man that asked himself why AM I was the start of religion and I agree religion sucks . But thats not what Faith and belief is . Its actions not words . Its how you choose to live your life . Usery = evil . I have nevered made 1 dime from usery .
Killing haven't done that. Stealing not since I was a teen . Unfaithful not . Abnormal sexual relations not . Ect ect ect
SO you say because you lack faith belief and are ignorant of history you want God to go away. Someone is soon leaving this earth . I be holding the door open for ya so assto administer a swift kick in the ass on your way out . Your just as bad as those how have religion who would harm those who don't . Threaten man with death and he will say just about anything to preserve himself . History is full of such things . Try doing so world history starting from city states and see how stupid this topic really is . I am not my brothers keeper its my spirit that concerns me yours and everyone elses is their business. Live and let live,

 

[Zorkorist]

No, the first man that asked "why am I?" was a scientist, or a philosopher.

It was only the money grubbing Church that said, "Hey, we can fill this market! Let's promise them eternal life, eternal knowledge, we'll make a killing!"

-John

 

[Zorkorist]

And here now, in the 21st century, Religion offers little more than promises.

Meanwhile, they exact huge sacrifices from their members.

Jews, don't eat shellfish.

They are missing out on Maine Lobster. etc.

Muslims don't eat pork... Bacon, nough said?

Their laws are crap, their ideas are crap, and the whole thing needs to kowtow to a real Government.

-John

 

[nonlnear]

And here now, in the 21st century, Religion offers little more than promises.

Meanwhile, they exact huge sacrifices from their members.

Jews, don't eat shellfish.

They are missing out on Maine Lobster. etc.

Muslims don't eat pork... Bacon, nough said?

Their laws are crap, their ideas are crap, and the whole thing needs to kowtow to a real Government.

-John

Such religious fervor...

 

[Nemesis 1]

Just to inform you. Religion is being dealt with. But religion and God are not one and the same. Most peoples God is Money its a sick sick religion aan is being dealt with . The Time of the water bearer is at hand . There is only on true God and no religion represents God Almighty none.
But your right religion of money and false worship should be dealt with and is being dealt with . Rome wasn't built in aday and tearing it down shall not happen in an instant. The laws of Nature(God) most proceed in a natural order .

The world you live in is passing The earth crumbles beneth your feet and is burnt up and washed away .
Intersting year 2010 and it just keeps getting better in 2011. Nemesis has been confirmed by spanish scientist. Nasa says its a 150 year old supernova, History says Nasa is a fricking lier. A super nova would have been seen everywhere on earth and none was reported.
Its coming and it brings along with it the natural order of things, Floods, drought ,pestalence starvation and Oh ya this. Religion is being dealt with . YOU are being dealt with

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBMD2iKgyL0

 

[Zorkorist]

It's not being dealt with.

Just as people are beginning to except that boys fuck boys, they accept people telling them that it is wrong, that boys fuck boys.

-John

 

[Zorkorist]

Government is pretty clear that Boys can fuck Boys.

It's called, "the pursuit of happiness."

-John

 

[Zorkorist]

Religion, on the other hand, demands that one fast on Friday night.

Why? Because they can.

-John

 

[Zorkorist]

Religion demands that you pray to their God, but your prayers don't mean shit.

Good people still die.

-John

 

[BoberFett]

Religion, on the other hand, demands that one fast on Friday night.

Why? Because they can.

-John

LOL, yeah, everything government does is rational.

Government is a religion.

 

[Zorkorist]

Government, on the other hand, adresses each concern as they come in.

If they fail to act on a concern, they will likely be replaced.

-John

 

[Zorkorist]

LOL, yeah, everything government does is rational.

Government is a religion.

It's not a Religion, it's a Government.

Read above.

-John