Religious folks views of Atheists

[Oyeve]

I've lost many Catholic friends due to there obsession with religion. I'm not an atheist, i'm more agnostic. Just recently I dumped a HS friend because he posted that he puts god before his children. So I called him out on that and he tried to twist it to me and how atheist I am and that I don;t care for my son and blah blah blah. I had to break of our friendship because hes too obsessed with it. I live my life, if it doesnt fit into yours then screw you.

 

[Dude111]

I see a lot of thoughts on this forum from religious people about atheists and how we are.

I tell ya I know some athiest and agnostic people and they are some of the most OPEN MINDED PEOPLE I KNOW!!!!!! (I can discuss anything with them and they wont poke fun,judge,etc)

Do you find yourself to be that way soulcougher?

 

[Dr. Zaus]

I think of Atheism in the west as advanced protestantism.

Catholicism: There's One-True Holy Church and God.

Protestantism: The only "True Church" is in you and there is only One-True God

Atheism: The only "True Church, and God" are in you.

 

[disappoint]

I think of Atheism in the west as advanced protestantism.

Catholicism: There's One-True Holy Church and God.

Protestantism: The only "True Church" is in you and there is only One-True God

Atheism: The only "True Church, and God" are in you.

Vegetarianism: "I can't wait to slaughter this animal so I can eat it and share it with my fellow meat nomming brethren."

Veganism: "I can't wait to eat this yummy steak. Soon it will be in me."

Makes sense. Right? Right?

Sometimes I wonder about you folks.

 

[disappoint]

I dont have any negative feelings towards athiests. I view you just as I would anyone else. I dont think you are worse or better than christians, which is what I am. You have good and bad atheists as you have good and bad christians. People are still people and you have (according to Biblical standards) very moral atheist as well as very immoral atheists and the same is held true with my christian brethren. The main difference is found in you dont believe in God. I see enough in nature that makes me sure that a God exists and since have had enough personal experience that just increases that belief. Atheists dont see it that way and thats fine. If you cant find proof in God then you shouldnt believe in God.

I always saw it more opposite that atheists think all christians are idiots that follow you around spending their time telling you about Jesus. Yet rarely do I see anyone doing that. Then you have then bunch that thinks everything wrong in the world is due to christian beliefs.

I bolded what the problem is. This is why atheists fear you are off your rocker. Because you are willing to accept something is true without enough evidence.

One day I hope theists will not be allowed to serve on a jury. I won't spell it out for you, and you have me wondering if you can even make this simple connection in your mind as to why. I've seen people who can't and they are even scarier because their cognitive ability is right up there with avocados, and eggplants.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

Vegetarianism: "I can't wait to slaughter this animal so I can eat it and share it with my fellow meat nomming brethren."

Veganism: "I can't wait to eat this yummy steak. Soon it will be in me."

Makes sense. Right? Right?

Sometimes I wonder about you folks.

Interesting projection... I thought I was being complementary, but hey, if you want to make it sound like madly denying yourself some of the most interesting, intense, and wonderful experiences available to man...

You're right.

But I wouldn't have gone there.

 

[disappoint]

Atheism: The only "True Church, and God" are in you.

Ok let's try this again. A little more direct this time.

Atheists don't believe in God. Therefore, what you said makes about as much sense as a meat eating vegan.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

Ok let's try this again. A little more direct this time.

Atheists don't believe in God. Therefore, what you said makes about as much sense as a meat eating vegan.

And Protestants don't believe in A Church. That role, if one wishes to engage in a conversation with someone who does have A Church, is played by the community.

The cause of ultimate truth regarding morality, God, is replaced in Atheism by...

Individual convictions.

So, that role, if one wishes to engage in a conversation with someone who does have a God, is played by the individual.

 

[disappoint]

And Protestants don't believe in A Church. That role, if one wishes to engage in a conversation with someone who does have A Church, is played by the community.

The cause of ultimate truth regarding morality, God, is replaced in Atheism by...

Individual convictions.

So, that role, if one wishes to engage in a conversation with someone who does have a God, is played by the individual.

Oh I see.

Atheism: The only "True Church, and God" are in you.

So here when you said Church and God you didn't mean Church and God at all. I didn't notice that by using quotes you meant "not this nor that at all". It a bit of a confusing way to say things but I've seen people use that rhetoric before so I suppose it's come to be accepted.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

Oh I see.



So here when you said Church and God you didn't mean Church and God at all. I didn't notice that by using quotes you meant "not this nor that at all". It a bit of a confusing way to say things but I've seen people use that rhetoric before so I suppose it's come to be accepted.

The scared quote was intended to indicate "That thing which serves the purpose of".

 

[soulcougher73]

I tell ya I know some athiest and agnostic people and they are some of the most OPEN MINDED PEOPLE I KNOW!!!!!! (I can discuss anything with them and they wont poke fun,judge,etc)

Do you find yourself to be that way soulcougher?

I do, yes. I love talking about different opinions and ideas on things. And while i may find some things religious people say are silly i don't judge them to their face. Online its fair game though

 

[Vdubchaos]

Do you know why I like religion? Because it tells me quickly and easily how ignorant and dis-attached from reality the person is.

No need to waste time, find out the hard way or play games/put on act.

Once I know, I run far and fast away from that person. I want 0 part of such creature.

 

[Moonbeam]

Faith is a means by which the intuitive sense that life is perfect, the conscious but unformed state into which we are born, and only too soon to have ripped away from us by learning words and ideas that cause pain, is retained by religious people. This faith that life is perfect becomes, in religion, projected. Faith works because life IS perfect and one can believe so deeply that true reality actually manifests. This manifestation, however will take the form of an awakening to a different conscious state, a direct experience of timeless perfection. The result will be, not a person of faith, but a Knower. Only a Knower has proof that God exists.

People of faith, sensing that life is perfect, however, can believe in a million different forms of God and a million different ways to approach Him, none of which capture the actual state of knowing but are only fingers pointing.

When the atheist looks at such a chaos of conflicting ideas logically, rather than with the instinct that life is perfect, he rejects them as unprovable nonsense. Rejecting the premise that there is a God, he or she rejects the notion that God isn't a thing that has any kind of reality at all. He or she closes the door to God completely, including the notion that God can only be known as the result of a breakthrough into a higher state of consciousness.

The Knower knows. The faithful believe. Doubters doubt believers. Of what significance can there be in arguments between the last two?

 

[soulcougher73]

Faith is a means by which the intuitive sense that life is perfect, the conscious but unformed state into which we are born, and only too soon to have ripped away from us by learning words and ideas that cause pain, is retained by religious people. This faith that life is perfect becomes, in religion, projected. Faith works because life IS perfect and one can believe so deeply that true reality actually manifests. This manifestation, however will take the form of an awakening to a different conscious state, a direct experience of timeless perfection. The result will be, not a person of faith, but a Knower. Only a Knower has proof that God exists.

People of faith, sensing that life is perfect, however, can believe in a million different forms of God and a million different ways to approach Him, none of which capture the actual state of knowing but are only fingers pointing.

When the atheist looks at such a chaos of conflicting ideas logically, rather than with the instinct that life is perfect, he rejects them as unprovable nonsense. Rejecting the premise that there is a God, he or she rejects the notion that God isn't a thing that has any kind of reality at all. He or she closes the door to God completely, including the notion that God can only be known as the result of a breakthrough into a higher state of consciousness.

The Knower knows. The faithful believe. Doubters doubt believers. Of what significance can there be in arguments between the last two?

I also doubt you, that you are a knower. Maybe im the knower and you are the lost puppy?

 

[Moonbeam]

I also doubt you, that you are a knower. Maybe im the knower and you are the lost puppy?

My post was to explain my opinion on what happens between atheists and believers, that belief can overcome doubt in the absence of proof because the basics of the belief is correct, but that the inanities of dogma the faithful will swallow in the process reveals absurdities to atheists no faith they can muster will overcome. We wind up with folk who believe in gods that are absurd, and folk who believe in nothing because the believers they know of believe in the absurd. We have folk who believe God is a noodle and folk who say God is a noodle to make fun of them.

What I did not say is that I am a knower. Ask yourself why you went there.

But we can easily see that you are not a knower by the simple fact that you used the word 'maybe'.

 

[haedon]

I believe there is a deeper reason why they choose to be atheist. Likewise, I can't blame them nor judge them by being atheist. I am more sad in believers community including me because, the existence of atheist is a proof that believers or church fails to act/do as what the bible tell us how we must act/do as genuine believers of the only and true God.

 

[sandorski]

I believe there is a deeper reason why they choose to be atheist. Likewise, I can't blame them nor judge them by being atheist. I am more sad in believers community including me because, the existence of atheist is a proof that believers or church fails to act/do as what the bible tell us how we must act/do as genuine believers of the only and true God.

This is not the problem. The problem is the Bible and the "god" spoken of therein. The Bible is not a book written by a "Righteous" being or any being superior to us. The "god" spoken of in the Bible wouldn't be worthy of our adoration, even if it existed.

The bigger problem though is that there is no evidence of anything existing beyond the Material Reality we live in. Never mind there existing beings there or places.

Finally, the biggest mistake in your post has to do with your last statement. Even your Bible disagrees with it, the first of the Ten Commandments acknowledges the existence of more "gods". That in itself is another unfounded assertion, but that's another issue.

So Yes, there is a deeper reason. That is, what we(many of us Atheists) have found is that Christianity, the Bible, Salvation, etc, is simply not True. When one Objectively examines it all, it fails to be convincing.

 

[disappoint]

Faith works because life IS perfect and one can believe so deeply that true reality actually manifests.

Since life is not perfect, in fact demonstrably so, then it sounds like you're saying faith doesn't work.

 

[Moonbeam]

Since life is not perfect, in fact demonstrably so, then it sounds like you're saying faith doesn't work.

All I said was that when one experiences the fact that everything is perfect one enters a God conscious state. I didn't say that you knew that. I am sure you see the world as very imperfect. You are not a knower.

 

[Moonbeam]

This is not the problem. The problem is the Bible and the "god" spoken of therein. The Bible is not a book written by a "Righteous" being or any being superior to us. The "god" spoken of in the Bible wouldn't be worthy of our adoration, even if it existed.

The bigger problem though is that there is no evidence of anything existing beyond the Material Reality we live in. Never mind there existing beings there or places.

Finally, the biggest mistake in your post has to do with your last statement. Even your Bible disagrees with it, the first of the Ten Commandments acknowledges the existence of more "gods". That in itself is another unfounded assertion, but that's another issue.

So Yes, there is a deeper reason. That is, what we(many of us Atheists) have found is that Christianity, the Bible, Salvation, etc, is simply not True. When one Objectively examines it all, it fails to be convincing.

When you logically examine the preposterous faith of believers in absurd gods, you fail to find them convincing. And you guys even give yourselves a fancy name like atheist. You guys are sneaky too.. You would have no idea those gods are preposterous if you had no sense of what a real God has to be. Your faith in God is what tells you who he isn't. It must be nice in a world where you've been told you're going to hell, to gin up a little ego security, however, and credit your own IQ for these very deep logical insights.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

Your faith in God is what tells you who he isn't.

Jesus MoonBeam... It's really not fair to do that to someone.

 

[sandorski]

Jesus MoonBeam... It's really not fair to do that to someone.

Gobblygook?

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

As a "believer" I have a "center" that non-believers can't possibly understand. Other than that, I have everything in common with atheists.

 

[Moonbeam]

Jesus MoonBeam... It's really not fair to do that to someone.

I have nowhere to go with this. If I thought it unfair I wouldn't have said it. I am open to the possibility you see what I do not. Would it be unfair for you to explain it to me? I assume that sandorski considered what I said to be baloney which is in line with what I expected.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

I have nowhere to go with this. If I thought it unfair I wouldn't have said it. I am open to the possibility you see what I do not. Would it be unfair for you to explain it to me?

We can only say there is 'misfit' between a current and optimal state of belief if we have a strong belief regarding what that optimal state is. It doesn't mean one 'trusts in', the ontological sense, of what it is to believe: But it does affirm the universality of an internalized sense of what it would be to have an optimal state.