Religious inconsistency question

[smackababy]

You were owned...and now you're trying to save face.

Your intellectual dishonesty is on full display.... take it easy.

Except you are the one using intellectual dishonesty. You know full and well a pair of buildings being destroyed and rebuilt are completely different than a nation (and one of the most powerful at the time) being destroyed and rebuilt "rapidly".

Also, history has accounts of the Twin Towers being destroyed, I couldn't find one of Egypt being destroyed. History has already proven the prophecy to be false, as Nebuchadnezzar never destroyed Egypt. He won a battle in modern day Syria against the Egyptian army.

So, if YOU have proof the prophecy you are claiming is true, is in fact true, please do share that information. Because historians around the world would love to have that knowledge.

Your entire argument is "the prophecy is true because the websites claims it isn't with something that isn't true." while ignoring the fact that is still isn't true, because it didn't happen. You claim others are nit picking, when you are the one with the nit picking problem.

 

[ThinClient]

Well, I'm wrong, and you're right then....lets drop it.

If only all religiotards could answer quickly with this statement. :wub:

 

[Retro Rob]

Except you are the one using intellectual dishonesty. You know full and well a pair of buildings being destroyed and rebuilt are completely different than a nation (and one of the most powerful at the time) being destroyed and rebuilt "rapidly".

Destruction is destruction. Rebuilding is rebuilding.

Like I said... you're right and I am wrong. I really don't care.

 

[ThinClient]

Destruction is destruction. Rebuilding is rebuilding.

Like I said... you're right and I am wrong. I really don't care.

You don't mind being wrong? Don't you want to be right? Don't you have an urge to be correct, or at least, an urge to stop lying to yourself in an effort to believe patent falsehoods?

 

[Paul98]

Well, I'm wrong, and you're right then....lets drop it.

Well now that we established there are failed prophecies in the bible we can go back to the reason it was brought up in the first place. How can the bible be the word of god if prophecies fail?

 

[dphantom]

Well now that we established there are failed prophecies in the bible we can go back to the reason it was brought up in the first place. How can the bible be the word of god if prophecies fail?

In your mind perhaps but I have yet to see any cogent argument where a prophecy has failed.

 

[ThinClient]

In your mind perhaps but I have yet to see any cogent argument where a prophecy has failed.

That's because you don't have to argue that a prophecy has failed. The positive claim is that the prophecy has been fulfilled. It's up to the person making the claim to provide ample evidence for his claim.

Here we have a claim (that Egypt was destroyed) with no evidence to show that the country, the nation as a whole, was destroyed.

The prophecy is either false or has not yet come to pass.

 

[ThinClient]

Interestingly enough, isn't it funny that prophecies are intentionally vague so that something that happens in the future can be bent or twisted to fit the loose details of the prophecy? :awe:

 

[smackababy]

Interestingly enough, isn't it funny that prophecies are intentionally vague so that something that happens in the future can be bent or twisted to fit the loose details of the prophecy? :awe:

Some of them actually have a time limit imposed, so they are completely false. Those referring to Pagan Egypt have long since expired. Egypt hasn't been pagan for a good while now.


And of course they were vague. Otherwise, you'd have people prophesying ThinClient will, on Sep 26th, 20013 respond in a thread on the AnandTech.com forums containing the words "monkey" and "patriotically" in a hyperbole to describe his own life. Which is easy to prove true or false.

 

[ThinClient]

How fascinating! I love that you're educated in these matters. I am adding the prophetic failures to my standard anti-theistic argument repertoire.

Though it's quite true that I feel like a monkey when it comes to posting patriotically on internet forums because I am forced to lower myself to political arguments with moronic pundits.

 

[Retro Rob]

In your mind perhaps but I have yet to see any cogent argument where a prophecy has failed.

Yeah, there are plenty fulfilled and some yet to be. :thumbsup:

The Bible's an extraordinary book!

 

[Paul98]

In your mind perhaps but I have yet to see any cogent argument where a prophecy has failed.

Ezekiel 30:10-11
"This is what the Sovereign LORD says: I will put an end to the hordes of Egypt by the hand of Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon. He and his army—the most ruthless of nations— will be brought in to destroy the land. They will draw their swords against Egypt and fill the land with the slain. "

Never put an end to the hordes of Egypt, never destroyed the land. Thus failed prophecy.

 

[Paul98]

And that is only one simple example, if you read more it get even more things that didn't happen.

 

[Retro Rob]

What is more reliable than Jesus, the only Son of God dying for our sins so that through Him we may find salvation? God does not need to prove His existence to a man. He is and always will be.

Yet, we find time and again He revealed Himself. All we have to do is open our eyes, our faith and we will see.

Exactly!

I've accepted this a long time ago. I think some people simply don't realize that he's done his part, we have to do our job.

I went through a tough time of not believing in my life, and with study and meditating on what I was learning, it became easier for me. Even former atheists have become believers.

You just have to want to do it.

 

[dphantom]

How fascinating! I love that you're educated in these matters. I am adding the prophetic failures to my standard anti-theistic argument repertoire.

Though it's quite true that I feel like a monkey when it comes to posting patriotically on internet forums because I am forced to lower myself to political arguments with moronic pundits.

You may get a more reasoned response if you stop telling those who disagree with you how moronic, ignorant or other denigrating address they are. Some of the greatest thinkers, scientists and philosophers in history have defended far better the same points I so poorly do. I don't think Saint Aquinas was a moron for just one example.

 

[ThinClient]

You may get a more reasoned response if you stop telling those who disagree with you how moronic, ignorant or other denigrating address they are. Some of the greatest thinkers, scientists and philosophers in history have defended far better the same points I so poorly do. I don't think Saint Aquinas was a moron for just one example.

Thomas Aquinas was an absolute fool.

 

[Paul98]

Or how about the the use of Tartarus from Greek mythology in Peter 2:4, and that being the only mention in the bible?

 

[Retro Rob]

Or how about the the use of Tartarus from Greek mythology in Peter 2:4, and that being the only mention in the bible?

How about all the words we use in everyday lauguage borrowed from Greek Mythology?

 

[Paul98]

How about all the words we use in everyday lauguage borrowed from Greek Mythology?

That is no a counter it's not a word taken from Greek mythology that means something else. It's a place in Greek mythology from wiki "Tartarus is the deep abyss in ancient Greek mythology that is used as a dungeon of torment and suffering for the wicked." This is where it says they were sent in the bible. The only way to know where the bible is talking about is to know what that means from Greek Mythology. It is only mentioned once in the bible.

It would be similar to the bible making a single mention of the god Zeus.

 

[smackababy]

How about all the words we use in everyday lauguage borrowed from Greek Mythology?

So, what you're suggesting is that this use of Tartarus is used as a metaphor to convey some different meaning, BUT, any of the other things pertaining to Jesus and his miracles couldn't possibly be metaphorical?

Seems reasonable. I guess the whole "Bible should be taken literally" really only pertains to things you want to take literal and not, literally, everything. >_>

 

[dphantom]

Thomas Aquinas was an absolute fool.

ok then I guess that ends any possibility of discussion.

 

[Paul98]

ok then I guess that ends any possibility of discussion.

Are you going to respond to the failed prophecy, that you claimed couldn't be?

 

[Retro Rob]

So, what you're suggesting is that this use of Tartarus is used as a metaphor to convey some different meaning, BUT, any of the other things pertaining to Jesus and his miracles couldn't possibly be metaphorical?

Seems reasonable. I guess the whole "Bible should be taken literally" really only pertains to things you want to take literal and not, literally, everything. >_>

No, I'm attacking the fallacy that just because we share some words used in Greek Mythology, that means its meaning is the same as the how the word was originally used.

This fallacy was exposed earlier in the thread when it was stated that the Bible has stories similar to mythical tribes that preceded it, so that means it borrowed from them. I countered by stating that since the 10 Commandents preceded our system of Governance here in the US, that means we stole laws against murder and theft from the 10 Commandments.

Not only is that an intellectually weak arguement, it doesn't even hold up under the slightes bit of scrunity.

 

[dphantom]

Are you going to respond to the failed prophecy, that you claimed couldn't be?

I did for one. I will not for all the ones you think are failed. It won't change your mind regardless of what I offer. Nor will you change mine. I can no more turn from God than you can turn from your self as ultimate it appears. But I won't give up, just pursue your salvation via other means.

 

[Paul98]

No, I'm attacking the fallacy that just because we share some words used in Greek Mythology, that means its meaning is the same as the how the word was originally used.

This fallacy was exposed earlier in the thread when it was stated that the Bible has stories similar to mythical tribes that preceded it, so that means it borrowed from them. I countered by stating that since the 10 Commandents preceded our system of Governance here in the US, that means we stole laws against murder and theft from the 10 Commandments.

Not only is that an intellectually weak arguement, it doesn't even hold up under the slightes bit of scrunity.

Your argument is that it is common use to be in place of something else. That is says one thing but means something different. That the specific place from Greek mythology that it is talking about has a different meaning. This very well could be the case, but that really brings in the question of this being the word of god.