Reno Vet Tears down flag

[TheITguy]

Mexican Flag


Sorry I just caught that. First post in here. Just wanted to get some views on this. I agree
that the flag should have been removed.

 

[palehorse]

hey, you have to post some personal commentary on the article, or the thread will get locked!

My hat goes off to the vet who did the cutting!! That's excellent!

 

[ayabe]

Good for him, he might appear a little like a crazy person, but what's right is right. I don't want to see Cuban/PR/Mexican flags, period.

 

[OutHouse]

my hero!!! he did the right thing.

 

[Sinsear]

:thumbsup: to the vet for his actions.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: ayabe
Good for him, he might appear a little like a crazy person, but what's right is right. I don't want to see Cuban/PR/Mexican flags, period.

Crazy? Pissed the hell off is more like it. Just from watching the video I swear I could feel the testosterone coursing though his veins.

 

[Sinsear]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: ayabe
Good for him, he might appear a little like a crazy person, but what's right is right. I don't want to see Cuban/PR/Mexican flags, period.

Crazy? Pissed the hell off is more like it. Just from watching the video I swear I could feel the testosterone coursing though his veins.

Yeah, he was pretty hyped up, it sounded like he was losing his train of thought while he was trying to talk to the camera.

But he still did the right thing.

 

[nageov3t]

jeez.

do I have to start hiding the fleurs-de-lis flag in my bedroom?

though if tearing down flags is going to become a national past-time, I'd love to start with every single confederate flag.

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: loki8481
jeez.

do I have to start hiding the fleurs-de-lis flag in my bedroom?

though if tearing down flags is going to become a national past-time, I'd love to start with every single confederate flag.

As long as it's not flown in public above an American flag there's no problem.

 

[StageLeft]

Yeah! Hell yeah!!! Go Vet! Punish somebody by breaking the law by breaking it yourself!! Whoo hoo!!

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Sinsear

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: ayabe
Good for him, he might appear a little like a crazy person, but what's right is right. I don't want to see Cuban/PR/Mexican flags, period.

Crazy? Pissed the hell off is more like it. Just from watching the video I swear I could feel the testosterone coursing though his veins.

Yeah, he was pretty hyped up, it sounded like he was losing his train of thought while he was trying to talk to the camera.

With the apparent flag/store owner standing right there and not knowing what was going to happen I thought he made his case, expressed his views, and kept his focus rather well.

But he still did the right thing.

You'll get absolutley no argument from me on that point.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: loki8481
jeez.

do I have to start hiding the fleurs-de-lis flag in my bedroom?

though if tearing down flags is going to become a national past-time, I'd love to start with every single confederate flag.

Well, it's only illegal if you fly another flag above an American flag, in public. Flying a non-American flag, by itself, is not illegal.

IMO, this vet did the right thing... I just wish the shop owner would have commented on camera! It would have been great to hear his response to the situation.

It's possible the vet will be charged with a crime... after all, had any official asked him to take down the flag prior to the vet cutting it down? If not, then the vet may get charged with vandalism and/or petty theft.

I personally agree 100% with what he did, but you know that's not how the courts will see it... some zealot will come along and scream until he's charged with a crime.

bet?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Well, I'm going to be the first one to directly disagree with his actions. It would have had more impact if he were to show the owner some respect and explain why he was taking down the flag. What he should have done is take them down, and put the American one back up while treating the other flag with a bit of respect.

Granted, I'm not sure if I would have done what I stated - I'm just saying it would have been more respectful to all involved and wouldn't have put him in the spot of commiting a crime himself.

 

[shiner]

Bravo to the guy for doing it.

The backlash against the illegals is about to pop wiiiiiiiide open.

Sadly many legal Hispanic residents will get caught up in it.......but people are getting fed up to the point of fighting back against the illegals. It's gonna get ugly.

 

[NaughtyGeek]

Originally posted by: loki8481
jeez.

do I have to start hiding the fleurs-de-lis flag in my bedroom?

though if tearing down flags is going to become a national past-time, I'd love to start with every single confederate flag.

Did you watch the video? The point wasn't that they were flying the Mexican Flag, it was that they were flying it above the American flag thereby pissing in all our faces by stating that Mexico is in control of that area which in fact it's not. Head on down to your state capital some time and tell me if your state flag is higher than the American flag. I guarantee it's not because it's disrespectful to your country and illegal to boot.

 

[OutHouse]

if the vet gets charged, so to should the store owner who did it. i dont even think he could speak english thats why he didnt comment.

 

[Sinsear]

Wiki link on flag laws. Simplified wiki-style

No other flag ever should be placed above it.

More in depth legalese at other sites, but this sums it up nicely.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: Sinsear
Wiki link on flag laws. Simplified wiki-style

No other flag ever should be placed above it.

More in depth legalese at other sites, but this sums it up nicely.

The United States Flag Code establishes advisory rules for display and care of the flag of the United States. It is title 4 of the United States Code: 4 U.S.C. § 1 et seq. This is a U.S. federal law, but there is no penalty for failure to comply with them and they are not widely enforced ? indeed, punitive enforcement would conflict with the First Amendment right to freedom of speech, as the U.S. Supreme Court has ruled when the subject has come up in the past. (The Flag Desecration Amendment that has been proposed from time to time would override Supreme Court rulings on the matter, if it were passed though the amendment may still be in conflict with the 1st amendment)


That sums it up nicely. It's a law with no attached penalty, so it's not really possible to be charged with it because conviction would be a waste of time. I've never heard of a law with no punitive consequence.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: Sinsear
Wiki link on flag laws. Simplified wiki-style

No other flag ever should be placed above it.

More in depth legalese at other sites, but this sums it up nicely.

According to your link: "This is a U.S. federal law, but there is no penalty for failure to comply with them and they are not widely enforced ? indeed, punitive enforcement would conflict with the First Amendment right to freedom of speech, as the U.S. Supreme Court has ruled when the subject has come up in the past."

So he should be able to fly another flag above the US flag.

 

[daveymark]

while ignorance is not an excuse, I'm willing to bet the mexican didn't know about the law. I'd like to know more information, such as: was the mexican given notice about his illegal act? If so, did he just ignore it? I'm willing to bet people were just driving by and took pics, posted it on craislist, and started ranting about it without even telling the owner of the establishment. The mexican likely would have been happy to change the positions of the flag had he been aware of the situation.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: daveymark
while ignorance is not an excuse, I'm willing to bet the mexican didn't know about the law. I'd like to know more information, such as: was the mexican given notice about his illegal act? If so, did he just ignore it? I'm willing to bet people were just driving by and took pics, posted it on craislist, and started ranting about it without even telling the owner of the establishment. The mexican likely would have been happy to change the positions of the flag had he been aware of the situation.

Possibly. He may have seen the cameras and maybe didn't speak English (though probably does) and been like wtf is this about? Then some dude with a very long beard comes along, takes his flag down and runs off with the US one and somebody's filming and he's like "What the F!!"?!

 

[daveymark]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: daveymark
while ignorance is not an excuse, I'm willing to bet the mexican didn't know about the law. I'd like to know more information, such as: was the mexican given notice about his illegal act? If so, did he just ignore it? I'm willing to bet people were just driving by and took pics, posted it on craislist, and started ranting about it without even telling the owner of the establishment. The mexican likely would have been happy to change the positions of the flag had he been aware of the situation.

Possibly. He may have seen the cameras and maybe didn't speak English (though probably does) and been like wtf is this about? Then some dude with a very long beard comes along, takes his flag down and runs off with the US one and somebody's filming and he's like "What the F!!"?!

yes, I think he was just confused, the irony being the mexican probably thought he WAS giving respect to the U.S. by flying the american flag as well as the mexican (instead of just a mexican flag) but who knows.

 

[jonks]

So you can legally burn a US flag, but you can't display it lower than another country's flag...makes sense.

ACLU to chime in with .02 in 3...2...1....

I think the owner did not mean to be disrespectful, didn't realize he was technically breaking an unenforced and probably unenforceable law, thought he was actually being respectful by flying both flags, probably didn't give much thought to which flag has superiority over the other, doesn't understand who that scary bearded guy with the knife was or where he went with his US flag.

And last time I checked, it wasn't illegal to think or express an opinion that another country was better than the US. If one intends to express that sentiment by flying another flag above the US flag (not his intention here I don't think) it should be legal.

Some people on here seem to be of the opinion that someone else should be able to destroy or steal your property if they disagree with your views or feel you are being disrespectful to the country. Sorry guys. This country is great specifically because it allows you to publicly display your disrespect without fear of retribution.

If you want to live in a country where dissent is illegal, there's a few I can recommend.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Well, I'm going to be the first one to directly disagree with his actions.

Why am I not surprised? :roll:

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Well, I'm going to be the first one to directly disagree with his actions.

Why am I not surprised? :roll:

Could it be because you didn't read the rest of my post? And/Or was it because your knee twitched so hard?