Republican now hate hungry children

[Infohawk]

How is this so hard to understand? Do you understand the concept of a school? Giving a child an education at school is a basic governmental duty. Teaching a child ethics at school is a basic governmental duty. Teaching a child good citizenship at school is a basic governmental duty. Feeding healthy food and not junk to a child at school is a basic governmental duty.

You haven't really haven't shown how your last sentence follows. Two parents, in most cases, are not going to be able to teach children how to learn multiple subjects. That's why we need education. Feeding a child is pretty basic. See the difference?

 

[Infohawk]

Look, I humored you with an example, but you're clearly off your rocker.

I hate this place.

Yes I'm crazy because I think it's a little premature for the federal government to start making it a policy goal for people to eat more Omega 3's. Outrageous. In the 80s and 90s people were obsessed with low-fat foods. It turns out that was not really the core issue.

The bottom line is that the liberal arguments here are acting like Americans are malnourished. Only by the most yuppy standards would people consider American malnourished. I'll be the first to say Americans are too fat, but that's a question of overconsumption.

 

[MrX8503]

You really don't get it do you? The previous poster was making an ethical argument. Ethics don't stop at borders. Don't butt in if you can't follow the discussion.

I know what the argument was about and what I'm telling you is that helping kids in Africa is irrelevant.

Should Mother Theresa have fed the kids in Africa too to prove that she's ethical? It's absolutely ridiculous to claim that a person is unethical cause he/she bought a TV instead of feeding kids in Africa.

The only reason that ethics came up in this arguement is because I pay taxes, you pay taxes, everyone pays taxes so that this country can function. Taxes are there to help everyone not just yourself.

 

[Infohawk]

I know what the argument was about and what I'm telling you is that helping kids in Africa is irrelevant.

Should Mother Theresa have fed the kids in Africa too to prove that she's ethical? It's absolutely ridiculous to claim that a person is unethical cause he/she bought a TV instead of feeding kids in Africa.

The only reason that ethics came up in this arguement is because I pay taxes, you pay taxes, everyone pays taxes so that this country can function. Taxes are there to help everyone not just yourself.

Your Mother Theresa example makes my point. It's silly to say Republicans are evil and unethical because they don't want to redistribute wealth. Just like it's silly to say Democrats don't send checks overseas instead of buying TVs. Unfortunately your last paragraph still shows you don't understand.

 

[Amused]

Do you not understand that lack of vitamins during brain development reduces a person's IQ?

Again: TRUE nutritional deficiencies are extremely RARE in the US today. Period. A nutritional deficiency is a lack of one or more vitamins/minerals in one's diet. That is RARE in the US today.

The ONLY exception is Iron, and that is among women, not girls.

Over nourished is NOT a deficiency. It is an excess.

The lowering IQ in the US is due to the very nanny state which we have created where the stupidest among us are breeding at the highest rate. It has nothing to do with food, and everything to do with feeding stupid people to excess.

Plans like these don't make the children of stupid people smarter. They enable stupid people to have more stupid kids.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Amused, if you're really concerned with the amount of stupid people out there you'd do well to look a little deeper into the subject of nutrition. If all you want is to continue spewing angry ideological BS, please carry on.

 

[werepossum]

...and you know this how? I think you're making way too many generalizations. You don't have to be wealthy to improve one's life. There are people out there where the system has gotten people on their feet.

It's not possible to help everyone and every cause. In the US we have taxes because then we are able to support everyone in the country as a collective group.

I am not wealthy - I interact with these people all the time. I shop at the same stores, I speak with them when we're in line at WalMart, I listen and observe when I am in their schools. How can I not know their attitudes? For that matter, the same attitude is spreading throughout our country, it's hardly confined to the "ghetto". Look at almost any reality show - see much emphasis on hard work and education? And yes, these are generalizations - one can only discuss government policy in generalizations as these programs can hardly be implemented except by groups.

There are of course children who use the system to make something of themselves, often in spite of horrible or absent parents. Were these children in foster care rather than being ranched for checks, probably many more would succeed.

Utter bullshit. With the exception of iron, TRUE dietary deficiencies are very rare in the United States and other developed nations.

Yes, I know. Now we have the nebulous bullshit of "Johnny is an asshole at school. He's poor and fat, too. MUST BE MALNURISHED!!!

Utter bullshit. He's spoiled and coddled and told he deserves self esteem even if he's done nothing to be proud of.

Bullshit like this has added the term "Overnutrition" to the now pantheon of terms related to malnutrition. It's a fucking joke.

Quoted for truth and insight. Far too often today children are taught to have self-esteem but never taught how to earn that self-esteem.

 

[Amused]

Amused, if you're really concerned with the amount of stupid people out there you'd do well to look a little deeper into the subject of nutrition. If all you want is to continue spewing angry ideological BS, please carry on.

I have looked at nutrition.

And, again, TRUE dietary deficiencies are very rare in the United States.

Children are being OVERfed, not underfed. Especially POOR kids So what is the government's solution? 5 BILLION dollars (dr evil) in more food for kids... Especially poor kids...



Really?

Seriously?

Throwing MORE money for MORE food in programs that feed kids in an effort to "combat childhood obesity" is like throwing gasoline on your house to put out a fucking fire.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Amused, if you looked into nutrition at any depth at all you'd know 1) there is more to nutrition than just calories, 2) excessive calories != adequate nutrition, especially when processed foods are involved, 3) you can be nutrient deficient to a degree short of exhibiting the acute signs of deficiency (for example, we have an epidemic of vitamin D deficiency and related chronic disease in this country despite extremely rare cases of rickets), 4) iron deficiency is the most recognized deficiency simply because anemia has historically been recognized as a deficiency disease. Other deficiencies can mimic other problems and simple vitamin tests are among the last thing a doctor will check, if at all.

I like your fire/gasoline symbolism. Except you're one of the ones helping the house burn down because you don't know the difference between gasoline and water.

 

[dainthomas]

I have looked at nutrition.

And, again, TRUE dietary deficiencies are very rare in the United States.

Children are being OVERfed, not underfed. Especially POOR kids So what is the government's solution? 5 BILLION dollars (dr evil) in more food for kids... Especially poor kids...



Really?

Seriously?

It sounds like the proposal is for not MORE food but BETTER food. For example, it's not about giving kids two slices of pizza instead of one, it's about making that one slice out of higher quality, healthier ingredients. How does that make them fatter?

 

[Amused]

Amused, if you looked into nutrition at any depth at all you'd know 1) there is more to nutrition than just calories, 2) excessive calories != adequate nutrition, especially when processed foods are involved, 3) you can be nutrient deficient to a degree short of exhibiting the acute signs of deficiency (for example, we have an epidemic of vitamin D deficiency and related chronic disease in this country despite extremely rare cases of rickets), 4) iron deficiency is the most recognized deficiency simply because anemia has historically been recognized as a deficiency disease. Other deficiencies can mimic other problems and simple vitamin tests are among the last thing a doctor will check, if at all.

I like your fire/gasoline symbolism. Except you're one of the ones helping the house burn down because you don't know the difference between gasoline and water.

Yes, we have increases in mild Vitamin D deficiency. Wanna know why?

Well now, the annointed safety police elitists have told us all to stay out of the sun and always wear sun block when we go out. Sun block also blocks production of vitamin D. The sun is THE major source of vitamin D for humans.

Wow.

Curiously, the lack of sun also coincides with the increase in sedentary indoor pastimes (cable/sat TV, video games and the internet). Also a major cause of the obesity epidemic.

We also have been told that Milk/Dairy is bad and "fattening" thus we should avoid dairy products. Curiously, dairy is a primary dietary source of vitamin D. We STOPPED vitamin D deficiencies in the northern, sun starved climates by adding it to dairy. But now dairy is bad, mmmkay?

Funny how this "problem" followed right on the heals of the "sun and dairy is bad for you" edict from the elitists who know best what's good for us.

And to throw more gas on the fire? The food police have scared people away from fish with WAY overhyped mercury scares. We've also been told eggs are bad for us. Why is this important? Because fish and eggs are the only other primary dietary source of vitamin D.

Wow.

So let me get this straight: You are using Vitamin D as an example when it is elitists from your side of the debate who CAUSED the problem??? When it is your side's "healthy living" advise that brought it on???

Just wow...

Curiously, it was these same folks who told women to gain too much weight during pregnancy... and now we know that women who gain excess weight DURING pregnancy have kids who grow up to be fat.

Meanwhile, the fact stands that TRUE dietary deficiencies are very rare in the US and that the problem behind CHILDHOOD OBESITY is NOT deficiencies, but an EXCESS of food and lack of exercise.

And finally, speaking of exercise, that brings us to the death of Gym classes and PE programs. While many like to blame budgets, one must ask, why is PE always the first to go? Could it be the nerds who had no stomach for it and are living with traumatic memories of gym class are now running the schools and boards? Naw... No way the academic snobs would do that, now would they? I mean, they're the elitists who know what's best for us, right???

Every time the government and self anointed elitists change something, they fuck everything else all up. You'd think you'd learn your lesson by now... but no. You still want to dick with it even more.

And your solution now for childhood obesity? Throwing more free food at fat kids. BRILLIANT!!!

 

[ElFenix]

It sounds like the proposal is for not MORE food but BETTER food. For example, it's not about giving kids two slices of pizza instead of one, it's about making that one slice out of higher quality, healthier ingredients. How does that make them fatter?

maybe you missed the additional lunch part :hmm:

 

[Amused]

It sounds like the proposal is for not MORE food but BETTER food. For example, it's not about giving kids two slices of pizza instead of one, it's about making that one slice out of higher quality, healthier ingredients. How does that make them fatter?

This isn't a quality problem, but a quantity problem.

Turning a Burger King into a Ruth's Chris won't stop obesity.

If you want to go the government solution route, limit calories per child based on body fat percentage.

And, as my previous post shows, what is considered "healthy" is really just a fucking fad anyhow and often has unintended negative results.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

More blind ideology, denial of reality, dismissal of practicality, and even a dig at nerdy elitist types thrown in. Nice.

It IS a quality problem when it comes to this country's food supply. The fact is we promote cheap food, cheap food is unhealthy, poor people eat cheap food, poor people are unhealthy. It's the circle of life here in America.

And I don't deny a lot of monumental mistakes have been made as far as health and diet recommendations over the past thirty years, but our understanding of health and nutrition has increased quite a bit since then and is continuing to do so. Dismissing the information we are discovering now is like dismissing biology because scientists used to believe in spontaneous generation.

 

[Amused]

More blind ideology, denial of reality, dismissal of practicality, and even a dig at nerdy elitist types thrown in. Nice.

It IS a quality problem when it comes to this country's food supply.

The FUCK it is. Our food is the highest quality it has EVER been. THAT is the problem. We have the highest quality (quality means calorie dense, ask any wild animal what foods best ensure survival) food in history, and it's CHEAP. So cheap, in fact, that the poorest among us can afford to be obese. An honor formally exclusive to kings and the super rich.

We are victims of our own success.

We also have NO physical demands, nor physical pastimes. Running around outside has been replaced by TV, video games and the internet (something else the poorest among us can afford now). Gym has been all but eliminated in schools because the nerds were too traumatized by it.

Again, we are victims of our own success.

So we have an abundance of easily available calorie dense, high quality foods, and no way to burn them off. THAT is the problem.

Everyone is looking for a bogey man to blame in the obesity epidemic because the alternative is unthinkable: It's OUR fault. Each individual who eats too much and exercises too little is to blame.

But to understand that would require a belief in individual responsibility. And we know what your side of the debate thinks of that, now don't we?

Blind ideology? That's funny. You didn't even address the vitamin D bullshit you attempted. Why is that?

Let's sum this up, shall we? What happens when you give lazy people all the food they can eat and a lifestyle with no physical demands?

 

[ElFenix]

idea: stop subsidizing adding sugar to everything.


i know, i know, groundbreaking.

 

[fskimospy]

The FUCK it is. Our food is the highest quality it has EVER been. THAT is the problem. We have the highest quality (quality means calorie dense, ask any wild animal what foods best ensure survival) food in history, and it's CHEAP. So cheap, in fact, that the poorest among us can afford to be obese. An honor formally exclusive to kings and the super rich.

We are victims of our own success.

We also have NO physical demands, nor physical pastimes. Running around outside has been replaced by TV, video games and the internet (something else the poorest among us can afford now). Gym has been all but eliminated in schools because the nerds were too traumatized by it.

Again, we are victims of our own success.

So we have an abundance of easily available calorie dense, high quality foods, and no way to burn them off. THAT is the problem.

Everyone is looking for a bogey man to blame in the obesity epidemic because the alternative is unthinkable: It's OUR fault. Each individual who eats too much and exercises too little is to blame.

But to understand that would require a belief in individual responsibility. And we know what your side of the debate thinks of that, now don't we?

Blind ideology? That's funny. You didn't even address the vitamin D bullshit you attempted. Why is that?

Let's sum this up, shall we? What happens when you give lazy people all the food they can eat and a lifestyle with no physical demands?

Funny, I thought that the best quality food was the food that best met our needs, giving us the greatest benefits with the fewest drawbacks, not the food that had the highest calorie count. Who knew that Burger King's Chocolate Ice Cream Milkshake (950 calories) was a higher quality food than many decent, well balanced dinners? They should get a medal!

Don't worry guys, Dr. Amused is here to diagnose our health problems with his characteristic poorly informed bloviating.

 

[Craig234]

idea: stop subsidizing adding High Fructose Corn Syrup to everything.


i know, i know, groundbreaking.

Fixed. If I knew the code for putting dashes in text I'd have done that with "sugar".

 

[Amused]

Funny, I thought that the best quality food was the food that best met our needs, giving us the greatest benefits with the fewest drawbacks, not the food that had the highest calorie count. Who knew that Burger King's Chocolate Ice Cream Milkshake (950 calories) was a higher quality food than many decent, well balanced dinners? They should get a medal!

Don't worry guys, Dr. Amused is here to diagnose our health problems with his characteristic poorly informed bloviating.

Who's the idealist now?

We crave fatty, salty and sweet foods for a reason. Can you guess why???

It is a fact that we are, quite literally, victims of our own success. The very things we are hardwired to crave because they are in short supply in nature (calorie dense foods and rest), are now the things are have an over abundance of. Combine that with a lack of self control, and you get obesity.

School lunch programs, no matter how much money you throw at them, will NOT overcome a child's lack of self control, or more importantly, their parent's. It doesn't matter what the fuck you feed the kid for the 6 hours, 5 days a week they're at school if they go home and mommy gives them all they can eat. You're just pissing our money away.

This, like the war on drugs, will NOT be solved by government edict. You cannot solve human nature by mandate. Sorry.

 

[fskimospy]

Who's the idealist now?

We crave fatty, salty and sweet foods for a reason. Can you guess why???

It is a fact that we are, quite literally, victims of our own success. The very things we are hardwired to crave because they are in short supply in nature (calorie dense foods and rest), are now the things are have an over abundance of. Combine that with a lack of self control, and you get obesity.

School lunch programs, no matter how much money you throw at them, will NOT overcome a child's lack of self control, or more importantly, their parent's. It doesn't matter what the fuck you feed the kid for the 6 hours, 5 days a week they're at school if they go home and mommy gives them all they can eat. You're just pissing our money away.

This, like the war on drugs, will NOT be solved by government edict. You cannot solve human nature by mandate. Sorry.

Idealist, what?

You said something dumb, that the quality of food is determined by its calorie count, and I pointed it out. I am unaware of any credible expert who would support such a claim, but if you can provide backup for this, please do so.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Amused, you clearly don't know WTF you're talking about here. And with all the company you have it's a prime example of how society is woefully ignorant of any sort of nutritional knowledge and why these changes are needed. Enjoy your declining health and increasing reliance on pharmaceuticals to get through the day. Don't worry, if you're not already there you soon will be. My GSK and Monsanto stock thanks you.

 

[Amused]

Fixed. If I knew the code for putting dashes in text I'd have done that with "sugar".

And here we have craig with the traditional obesity bogeyman.

:::sigh:::

Keep chasing the bogeymen and everyone's kids will keep getting fatter.

In the 70s, the bogeyman was dietary fats.

So the food police tried to eliminate saturated fats and replace them with, get this, trans fats. Because they were "healthier!"

What did we get after decades of low fat diets? Obesity. (and increased heart disease) It turns out that fats fill you up faster, and make you feel full longer. The lower the fat in the average diet, the higher the obesity. Wow.

But now we're paying the price. The mothers who got fat on low fat diets gave birth to fat kids. Those fat kids got fatter than their parents, and gave birth to their own fat kids. And now we have an obesity epidemic.

And simpletons like Craig look for bogeymen. Preferably corporate ones so he can wrap his political ideology up in one neat little package.

Meanwhile, while he does so, the next generation will be even fatter.

So far, the food and health advice from the food police has been a disaster. But don't let that stop you from throwing 5 billion dollars (dr evil) in more food at fat kids to combat obesity.

 

[IGBT]

extend unemployment and grow the democrat party. Money for not working. Not working results in loss of skills. Dependence for the democrat party. That's your obama's plan for the future.

 

[Amused]

Amused, you clearly don't know WTF you're talking about here. And with all the company you have it's a prime example of how society is woefully ignorant of any sort of nutritional knowledge and why these changes are needed. Enjoy your declining health and increasing reliance on pharmaceuticals to get through the day. Don't worry, if you're not already there you soon will be. My GSK and Monsanto stock thanks you.

Hey, I'm 43. I have an idea. Wanna bet who's in better health?

I'll bet you I can run faster, longer and lift more weight than you can. I'll also wager blood pressure and cholesterol counts. Maybe you can come on one of my road bike centuries so I can see you cry?

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Hey, I'm 43. I have an idea. Wanna bet who's in better health?

I'll bet you I can run faster, longer and lift more weight than you can. I'll also wager blood pressure and cholesterol counts. Maybe you can come on one of my road bike centuries so I can see you cry?

If you eat what you preach you'll be lucky to still have feet before you move one to that bike trail in the sky.