Republicans celebrate Pelosi's win...

[ivwshane]

hahaha....muwahahaha! Fuckoff!

SAFE SPACE!! SAFE SPACE!!! SOMEONE GET HIM A SAFE SPACE AWAY FROM FACTS AND REALITY!

 

[compuwiz1]

SAFE SPACE!! SAFE SPACE!!! SOMEONE GET HIM A SAFE SPACE AWAY FROM FACTS AND REALITY!

Those would be your pussified, window licking, booger eating, toothless, uber brain defected, toe jam infested, ass worm infested, hemorrhoidal, retrograde ejaculator, man boob lovin', mother fuckers, cock suckers, sister fuckers, and let's not forget the queebies.
Somehow, tits is not a bad word. Don't fuckwith me. I be crazy!

PS, I voted for George McGovern

 

[ivwshane]

hahaha....muwahahaha! Fuckoff!

You'd better look at all the Democrat seats that have been lost since Obama was elected. It's a trend that is not working out very well for your ideology.

I see you decided to try and add a little more substance to this post.

Again, I have to point out that in the 2012 election Democrats got more than 1.4 million more votes than Republicans in the house and yet they lost many seats. In the senate they had a net gain of 2 seats. So again, out of touch isn't how I'd describe Democrats, more like they are political newbs compared to the gamesmanship the Republicans are capable of in order to win.

 

[boomerang]

1000 jobs! Trump, the Savior!

So, why didn't Obama step in and keep those jobs here? He did not so there must be a reason. What do you think?

 

[compuwiz1]

I see you decided to try and add a little more substance to this post.

Again, I have to point out that in the 2012 election Democrats got more than 1.4 million more votes than Republicans in the house and yet they lost many seats. In the senate they had a net gain of 2 seats. So again, out of touch isn't how I'd describe Democrats, more like they are political newbs compared to the gamesmanship the Republicans are capable of in order to win.

I'm not going to jack off with you in the hot room anymore. You eat too many mushrooms and smoke delusion causing drugs. Still, however, never forget; oral stimulation brings the highest appraisals.

 

[ivwshane]

I'm not going to jack off with you in the hot room anymore. You eat too many mushrooms and smoke delusion causing drugs. Still, however, never forget; oral stimulation brings the highest appraisals.

Yeah, I didn't think you were capable of rebutting my points. All you have are talking points that you simply parrot, you aren't capable of original thought let alone a competent analysis of reality.

But hey, your sexual frustration coming through your post was amusing so thanks for that.

 

[JockoJohnson]

Clinton lost the EC but won the popular vote by 2.5 million votes.
Democrats picked up 6 seats in the House.
Democrats picked up 2 or 3 seats in the Senate.

Here in objective, observable reality, the Democratic party picked up seats in both Houses of Congress and more people voted for the Democratic party candidate for President.

The Democratic party thanks all of you for the concern about the state of the party.

The Republicans have the seats to lose. Can't keep them all the time. They still have 31 Republican governors as well. I just don't see the numbers getting much higher so where else can they go...stay the same or odds are that they lose a few. Big deal, they still have the majority.

And, once again because I know it has been mentioned over and over and over and over and over and over.....popular vote doesn't matter. That's not how the system is setup, that's not how the candidates campaigned. Keep living in denial instead of moving on. The popular vote only matters to two types of people: those that don't understand the system or those that just keep living in denial of reality.

 

[ivwshane]

The Republicans have the seats to lose. Can't keep them all the time. They still have 31 Republican governors as well. I just don't see the numbers getting much higher so where else can they go...stay the same or odds are that they lose a few. Big deal, they still have the majority.

And, once again because I know it has been mentioned over and over and over and over and over and over.....popular vote doesn't matter. That's not how the system is setup, that's not how the candidates campaigned. Keep living in denial instead of moving on. The popular vote only matters to two types of people: those that don't understand the system or those that just keep living in denial of reality.

Sure the popular vote doesn't mean shit in terms of the presidential election but that's not what is being discussed. Try reading the thread again and see if you can follow along.

 

[Blackjack200]

So, why didn't Obama step in and keep those jobs here? He did not so there must be a reason. What do you think?

Because he hates America, of course.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

So, why didn't Obama step in and keep those jobs here? He did not so there must be a reason. What do you think?

Your question should be why didn't Pence step in sooner to keep those jobs. It was state incentives that motivated them to keep some of the jobs in Indiana. In their statement they actually took a shot at Trump by pointing out their concerns that he would damage trade deals currently in place that they see as vital.

 

[JockoJohnson]

Sure the popular vote doesn't mean shit in terms of the presidential election but that's not what is being discussed. Try reading the thread again and see if you can follow along.

Try paying attention to the conversation that I quoted. It might not have to do with the entire thread but it did to Nick's conversation. Your butt-hurt is showing....since when does every post in a thread stay on topic?

 

[FerrelGeek]

If Democrats changed leaders the GOP would just slime the shit out of the new leader anyway.

That's politics. The Ds would do the same and you know it. Not saying I approve of the mess that is modern politics or dissing your post, just stating reality. Our country is becoming increasingly polarized.

 

[dank69]

That's politics. The Ds would do the same and you know it. Not saying I approve of the mess that is modern politics or dissing your post, just stating reality. Our country is becoming increasingly polarized.

Bullshit. Liberals call out conservatives for things they actually say and do. The GOP fabricates scandals with "anonymous sources" and pure hearsay and then repeats the fabrications in every outlet possible until a majority of the nation just assumes the lies are true.

 

[spacejamz]

I wonder if they gave Hillary a participation ribbon/trophy for winning the popular vote but not the EC would finally end this conversation about popular vote vs EC...

 

[imported_tajmahal]

I'm perfectly happy with the Democrats getting more popular votes as long as Republicans keep winning the elections. Maybe we can have special "I Won the Popular Vote Count" ribbons for them.

 

[OrByte]

You're right about Obama. My mistake.

Give Trump & the Repubs their due. It was a masterful exercise in lies & distortions, tuned to bring the culture warriors to the polls in droves while unfairly discrediting Clinton. Going on about Hillary being a "bad candidate" just obfuscates the awful truth of that.

well said.

I don't think having Pelosi in charge of the house, or some other Dem is going to make a lick of difference.

The only way the Dems can beat the Republicans now, and in future elections, is for the Republicans to fail at governing. they have all the power they need now to govern. Let's see how well they meet all the promises they made.

They are not off to a good start:

1000 jobs in Indiana isn't going to cut it.
Flip flopped on prosecuting Hillary
Going to keep most of Obamacare
NO MORE WALL ... lol
"draining the swamp" LOL

Democrats cannot effectively engage in the type of lies and distortions that it takes to drive people to the polls. Librul minds just are not wired to buy into the emails/bhengazi/payforplay bullshit. But there are plenty of republican voters that eat that crap up for breakfast and go on and vote against their own self interests. wonderful.

Dem's vote more pragmatically, and in large enough numbers.

But there is enough "crazy" out there for Republicans to win elections, especially given how the electoral college provides a path forward to success.

Going on about HRC being a bad candidate is a red herring. a distraction. Dems will continue to politic, and elect, they same way they always had. They will always lose to someone willing to lie and voters willing to believe the lies.

 

[OrByte]

And one more thing...

YES the popular vote does matter. Because at the end of the day any political party would hope that their platform is attractive. I think when you look at the popular vote, you look at determining whether or not a party (democrat or Republican) is in touch with it's base. The turnout for the election clearly shows that the Democratic party is in touch with it's voters, especially considering that more voters voted for the Democrat nominee than the Republican nominee.

Democrats are saying the right things, just not in any strategic way relative to the electoral college. They blew it by ignoring rust belt states and taking those states for granted while Trump showed up and sold his snake oil. But that is different than saying the Democrats need to "do some soul searching" because they are out of touch. But I can see why republicans would like us to believe that.

That is why you see Pelosi being elected back to the house minority leader. Because she is an effective leader. Which is a TOTALLY separate issue than why HRC lost the election.

 

[Starbuck1975]

well said.

I don't think having Pelosi in charge of the house, or some other Dem is going to make a lick of difference.

The only way the Dems can beat the Republicans now, and in future elections, is for the Republicans to fail at governing. they have all the power they need now to govern. Let's see how well they meet all the promises they made.

They are not off to a good start:

1000 jobs in Indiana isn't going to cut it.
Flip flopped on prosecuting Hillary
Going to keep most of Obamacare
NO MORE WALL ... lol
"draining the swamp" LOL

Democrats cannot effectively engage in the type of lies and distortions that it takes to drive people to the polls. Librul minds just are not wired to buy into the emails/bhengazi/payforplay bullshit. But there are plenty of republican voters that eat that crap up for breakfast and go on and vote against their own self interests. wonderful.

Dem's vote more pragmatically, and in large enough numbers.

But there is enough "crazy" out there for Republicans to win elections, especially given how the electoral college provides a path forward to success.

Going on about HRC being a bad candidate is a red herring. a distraction. Dems will continue to politic, and elect, they same way they always had. They will always lose to someone willing to lie and voters willing to believe the lies.

Bill Clinton and Barack Obama beg to differ.

Bill Clinton and Barack Obama provided compelling reasons to vote FOR THEM. It's the economy stupid. Hope and change.

Al Gore, John Kerry and Hillary Clinton failed to do so. Can anyone concisely describe what any of their campaigns stood for?

Trump gave people a reason to vote for him. Those reasons may be shit, but "Make America Great Again" is an infinitely stronger proposition than "I'm with Her."

Pelosi leading the charge is a step in the wrong direction as she represents a brand of politician that will stifle and suffocate with bureaucracy

 

[OrByte]

Bill Clinton and Barack Obama beg to differ.

Bill Clinton and Barack Obama provided compelling reasons to vote FOR THEM. It's the economy stupid. Hope and change.

Al Gore, John Kerry and Hillary Clinton failed to do so. Can anyone concisely describe what any of their campaigns stood for?

Trump gave people a reason to vote for him. Those reasons may be shit, but "Make America Great Again" is an infinitely stronger proposition than "I'm with Her."

Pelosi leading the charge is a step in the wrong direction as she represents a brand of politician that will stifle and suffocate with bureaucracy

I agree with you that Pelosi might not be the right choice given what the Dem party is going through right now, in short the optics are awful. But she is capable of plotting a way forward to do exactly what you said, stifle and suffocate any republican efforts to govern. We are looking at the pendulum swinging, whereas the GOP over the last 2-3 decades decided not to govern as a form of governship, I think you are now going to see the Dems use the same strategy under a Trump admin.

As for compelling reasons to vote, HRC is no Bill Clinton and certainly no Obama... I never said she was. But comparing campaign slogans is probably not a good way to judge political effectiveness. I'll stand by my assertion that pummelling HRC supporters into submission with lies about behngazi, emails, pay to play, and calling her crooked, liar, going on national tv debates and claiming she belongs in jail on one hand, and promising bombastic and unrealistic things (ie border wall) on the other hand, is an effective strategy and compelling enough reasons for republicans to vote and democrats to stay home..even though in your own words..those are shit reasons.

 

[michal1980]

That's an odd thing to say considering the Democratic candidate got more than two million more votes than the Republican and picked up a net gain of two senate seats and a net gain of six seats in the house.

But then again, you've always been out of touch with reality.

So what you are saying is that basically NYC should decided for the whole country who is president? Because in just the city Clinton got almost 2 million more votes then trump

 

[Starbuck1975]

I agree with you that Pelosi might not be the right choice given what the Dem party is going through right now, in short the optics are awful. But she is capable of plotting a way forward to do exactly what you said, stifle and suffocate any republican efforts to govern. We are looking at the pendulum swinging, whereas the GOP over the last 2-3 decades decided not to govern as a form of governship, I think you are now going to see the Dems use the same strategy under a Trump admin.

As for compelling reasons to vote, HRC is no Bill Clinton and certainly no Obama... I never said she was. But comparing campaign slogans is probably not a good way to judge political effectiveness. I'll stand by my assertion that pummelling HRC supporters into submission with lies about behngazi, emails, pay to play, and calling her crooked, liar, going on national tv debates and claiming she belongs in jail on one hand, and promising bombastic and unrealistic things (ie border wall) on the other hand, is an effective strategy and compelling enough reasons for republicans to vote and democrats to stay home..even though in your own words..those are shit reasons.

Excellent summary. Campaign slogans are of course an over simplification but you caught my meaning.

I need to find the article again, but someone wrote a very interesting article on Wisconsin that the polls were essentially accurate in terms of Clintons performance, but they underestimated Trump's appeal. I don't believe Clinton supporters were pummeled. Given the demonization of Trump in the media and gloating of liberals right up until election day, I am not buying into the propoganda angle, especially since some of us were cautioning the coronation given the heavy liabilities she carried into the election before Trump wiped the field. Remember, Trump is the candidate Hillary wanted to face.

 

[ivwshane]

So what you are saying is that basically NYC should decided for the whole country who is president? Because in just the city Clinton got almost 2 million more votes then trump

Yeah, its kind of hard to say you have the will of the people when more people voted against you then for you, it's kind of hard to say the repubs have a mandate when they had a net lost of seats in Congress. So yeah 65 million people should have a greater say than the 62 million who voted for team red. I'd say compromise is the word of the day but you and your team think compromise is a dirty word.

But I get it, you see a big red map and think to yourself, landmass = the will of the people. But as everyone knows on this board, you aren't very smart.

 

[Jhhnn]

So, why didn't Obama step in and keep those jobs here? He did not so there must be a reason. What do you think?

Because Pence sure as Hell wouldn't have given up the tax revenue so that Obama could have any kind of victory.

 

[Jhhnn]

Excellent summary. Campaign slogans are of course an over simplification but you caught my meaning.

I need to find the article again, but someone wrote a very interesting article on Wisconsin that the polls were essentially accurate in terms of Clintons performance, but they underestimated Trump's appeal. I don't believe Clinton supporters were pummeled. Given the demonization of Trump in the media and gloating of liberals right up until election day, I am not buying into the propoganda angle, especially since some of us were cautioning the coronation given the heavy liabilities she carried into the election before Trump wiped the field. Remember, Trump is the candidate Hillary wanted to face.

Heh. You're still practicing the concern troll form of propaganda. Hillary got slimed. Trump played off of culture war resentment at the same time.

 

[OrByte]

Excellent summary. Campaign slogans are of course an over simplification but you caught my meaning.

I need to find the article again, but someone wrote a very interesting article on Wisconsin that the polls were essentially accurate in terms of Clintons performance, but they underestimated Trump's appeal. I don't believe Clinton supporters were pummeled. Given the demonization of Trump in the media and gloating of liberals right up until election day, I am not buying into the propoganda angle, especially since some of us were cautioning the coronation given the heavy liabilities she carried into the election before Trump wiped the field. Remember, Trump is the candidate Hillary wanted to face.

Find the article. because if the polls were accurate than HRC would have won.

And why did HRC have "heavy liabilities"? I think you have the problem already baked into your line of reasoning, and therefore are maybe blind to the fact that HRC's "liabilities" are no more significant than any other politicians liabilities, only HRC had an entire network of GOP politicians, investigative committees, and PACs working against her, for YEARS. Going back to Kenneth Starr. 30 years of investigations, hearings, rinse recycle, repeat, ad nausem. Trey Gowdy? I mean seriously... and after 30 years she remains a public servant. She wasn't indicted for fraud, or espionage, or any other crime. She weathered it all. And now, she is crucified for having "heavy liabilities"

No, that doesn't work for me. You don't get to obstruct, demonize, lie, and distort the truth about HRC and manipulate me into thinking she is a bad person after everything. I can go after Trump for "grabbing pussys" or bankruptcy or for hiding the truth (tax returns) among all the other stuff because HE DID THOSE THINGS. So yes, I do believe that 30 years of propoganda took a toll. If you remember, that is how Obama won the nomination away from Hillary too.

People like John Kerry, Al Gore, HIllary Clinton, they suffer all from the same thing. They are career public servants and that somehow translates to a bad thing. I'd rather have someone like that in office than a complete wild card like Trump.