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Double Trouble

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They didn't get rich in public office you idiot! The post right before yours explains how or why they are wealthy. Take off your damn blinders!

Hang on there. Hillary very much got rich in public office. She went from having relatively little when she entered the political world to being worth more than $110 million now. That didn't come from salaries. Bill and Hillary figured out how to maximize political power and wealth based on political power. Good article here.

If she can get paid millions for writing a book or speaking at some meeting, great for her, but she absolutely got rich while in public office, there's no denying that. Whether warranted or not, getting super wealthy while in office getting paid a very small amount in actual salary creates the appearance of corruption.
 

Blackjack200

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Net worth:

John Kerry - $200M
Al Gore - $200M
Hillary + Bill Clinton - $110M
Nancy Pelosi - $200M

Public servants, huh? That would explain all those multi-millionaire firefighters, teachers, and social workers...

Hey Bober, how did you know Pelosi is worth $200mm?
 

BonzaiDuck

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I find this issue to be a matter of some cultural blowback and disconnected logic. I've heard it over and over -- especially during the campaign season, but earlier as the "extended campaign" proceeded.

Mark Twain made a pile in speaking engagements and there was never a problem with it. In the case of the Clinton's they made this money from writing books as political celebrities but also in taking large sums for speaking engagements. This wouldn't be so much a problem if they weren't working a revolving-door in politics, because, as Fortune notes, "It's hard to come across as a credible critic of Wall Street when your bed is feathered with six-figure speaking payments to [sic] to investment banks and private equity firms." [Here I notice again a decline in our discipline of language through the years, because the writer obviously meant "from" investment banks etc. and not "to."]

So the paragraph about "What are the Risks?" can only cite an "appearance of problems" likely meaning "appearance of impropriety" as it's called in statute and regulation.

In this respect, one wonders what actual plans the Clintons had in re-entering those revolving doors. While Bill continued post-presidency his Foundation, book-writing and speaking engagements, his wife ran for US Senate. And again, after that, she capitalized on the celebrity. Both of them might have decided to temper this matter of personal gain if they'd actually planned to re-enter the door of politics.

Earlier in the article, it mentions emoluments she received as a lawyer and corporate director as Bill began campaigning for the presidency. To me, this seems like nothing in the way of impropriety. Unlike other political wives, it was almost as if she was determined to strike out on her own path, despite Bill's success.

What I object to is the idea that political leaders -- who are well-paid for certain reasons -- are supposed to adhere to a sack-cloth-and-ashes lifestyle. It's OK for Trump to run his private-sector empire out of the White House (but it won't be OK), but it's not OK for a celebrity-politician to profit from books and speaking engagements, even for "representing" the Great Unwashed.

Our system is corrupted with money, Citizens United only the latest twist in the phenomenon. You could think that public life should be a market exclusively limited to a currency of votes, with private capitalist pursuits exclusively limited to a currency of dollars. We know better.

To be good at a job or a career pursuit, practice makes perfect and experience matters. Unfortunately, if you want to play the game that the GOP's most loyal inner-circles have supported over the last century, you will get mud on your boots.

Trump is about to muddy his own boots by dragging in the dirty dogs of his business life to foul his public life, and that is an unfolding theater showing now only as preview. If that weren't enough, he's dragged our political dialogue to the level of WWWF Smackdowns with outrageous language and ideas, inconsistencies from one appearance to the next, a flamboyant personal appearance and a disgustingly self-absorbed, egotistic, narcissistic personality and appearance inside and out.

By the way. Trump and his business. Has anyone seen a Bob DeNiro film entitled "Heist," in which the actor portrays a casino-magnate named "Pope?"
 

ivwshane

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May 15, 2000
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Hang on there. Hillary very much got rich in public office. She went from having relatively little when she entered the political world to being worth more than $110 million now. That didn't come from salaries. Bill and Hillary figured out how to maximize political power and wealth based on political power. Good article here.

If she can get paid millions for writing a book or speaking at some meeting, great for her, but she absolutely got rich while in public office, there's no denying that. Whether warranted or not, getting super wealthy while in office getting paid a very small amount in actual salary creates the appearance of corruption.

No she didn't and its why you had to move the goal posts and say "when she entered the political world". Hell your source even lays it it for you. Each time the Clinton's came up they were out of office and in none of those instances did they become lobbyist for rich corporations like most politicians do. Ffs they are the epitome of a good public servant!
 

PokerGuy

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Ffs they are the epitome of a good public servant!

hahahahahahah, of course! If by "good public servant" you mean "corrupt crooks milking the system and selling political influence for millions", then correct, they are.

Bottom line, when Bill ran for president in 1991, how much money did the Clinton's have vs how much money do they have now? Bill was not making much as governor of AR. She was bringing in more as a lawyer and from shady deals, but they definitely didn't have even in the same ballpark as the $110 million + fortune they amassed from their corruption and influence sales.
 

ivwshane

Lifer
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hahahahahahah, of course! If by "good public servant" you mean "corrupt crooks milking the system and selling political influence for millions", then correct, they are.

Bottom line, when Bill ran for president in 1991, how much money did the Clinton's have vs how much money do they have now? Bill was not making much as governor of AR. She was bringing in more as a lawyer and from shady deals, but they definitely didn't have even in the same ballpark as the $110 million + fortune they amassed from their corruption and influence sales.

Yep they are corrupt as fuck! So corrupt that if anyone even tries to investigate them they too become corrupt! I mean how else could such corrupt politicians not be in jail yet? Right? Right?

/s

Another brain dead poster.
 

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
Nov 11, 1999
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Hang on there. Hillary very much got rich in public office. She went from having relatively little when she entered the political world to being worth more than $110 million now. That didn't come from salaries. Bill and Hillary figured out how to maximize political power and wealth based on political power. Good article here.

If she can get paid millions for writing a book or speaking at some meeting, great for her, but she absolutely got rich while in public office, there's no denying that. Whether warranted or not, getting super wealthy while in office getting paid a very small amount in actual salary creates the appearance of corruption.

Her husband got rich while she was in public office.
 

PokerGuy

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Her husband got rich while she was in public office.

So all that money she got paid for speaking engagements and from foreign donors to gain access to the sec of state is really him getting rich?

Crooked illary, getting wealthy while useful idiots proclaim her a "public servant". If you want an example of a public servant in politics, Joe Biden comes a lot closer than any of the big names.
 

ivwshane

Lifer
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So all that money she got paid for speaking engagements and from foreign donors to gain access to the sec of state is really him getting rich?

Crooked illary, getting wealthy while useful idiots proclaim her a "public servant". If you want an example of a public servant in politics, Joe Biden comes a lot closer than any of the big names.

Oops, there you go again, making unfounded claims to support your narrative. Don't you have some other fake news to read and parrot?
 

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
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Gotta love Trumpsters going on about the supposedly corrupt Clintons.

They pay 30% in federal income taxes & give 10% to charity. They founded & support a top rated international charity. One of her campaign promises was that she'd raise her own taxes.

DJT is guilty of none of that kind of stuff, obviously.
 

MrSquished

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Democrats don't hate rich people. Warren Buffet is fucking loaded and he supports progressive issues. Why do you hate rich people?

Pelosi's husband is an investment banker. I couldn't find anything but right wing sites to corroborate the 200 million number but they are rich. Investment bankers get rich buddy. Gore sold 46 million dollars in Apple stock options and made 100 million from selling CurrentTV that he helped found. He also made 10 million for selling another company he co-founded. FUCK AL GORE FOR BEING A SUCCESSFUL INVESTOR AND CAPITALIST. John Kerry is married to Theresa Heinz. She is worth 200 million. Yeah that Heinz. As in fucking Heinz ketchup. She is the loaded one in that relationship.

Anyway your list is stupid.

is it the right-wing douchebags that hate the wealthy now, meanwhile loving Donald Trump? The irony is rich.

Fucking Trumpists.

actually Theresa Heinz is worth closer to a billion dollars. I was off. But from what I read they have three trusts together that bring the 200 million dollar number down to earth. It seems Theresa is hanging onto most of the loot. I also read Kerry signed a pre-nup.

Hang on there. Hillary very much got rich in public office. She went from having relatively little when she entered the political world to being worth more than $110 million now. That didn't come from salaries. Bill and Hillary figured out how to maximize political power and wealth based on political power. Good article here.

If she can get paid millions for writing a book or speaking at some meeting, great for her, but she absolutely got rich while in public office, there's no denying that. Whether warranted or not, getting super wealthy while in office getting paid a very small amount in actual salary creates the appearance of corruption.

Hillary didn't get rich IN public office, she got rich out of public office but because of public office. Primarily through speaking engagements and book royalties. But while IN office I don't think she was writing books or doing speaking engagements. Neither while as Senator nor as Secretary of State. A list of speeches given by date and the pay grade is below (because unlike Trump they released their income details). Bill provided most of the income. But if you see the dates of her speeches, they are not while she was in office. Like Sanders, whom I supported, I am not a fan of her speeches to Wall Street although there has been no proof of quid pro quo.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/05/politics/hillary-clinton-bill-clinton-paid-speeches/
 

PokerGuy

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Jul 2, 2005
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Oops, there you go again, making unfounded claims to support your narrative. Don't you have some other fake news to read and parrot?

If you want fake news to parrot, you can easily find your own, go to CNN, huffington post, MSNBC or one those sites, plenty of fake news to be had
 
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