[Retired] The LCD Thread

[Gunlance]

Originally posted by: ClockHound
Chimei CMV 222H

Chimei eh?

While yes I have been pretty reasonably happy with my monitor it has definitely scared the ever living crap out of me in terms of buying a TN panel again. I mean to justify a new monitor I really want something to out-perform what I have now. Am I still going to see the same problems? The monitor looks nice, though! Thank you.

Originally posted by: ClockHound
HP LP2065 panel lottery.

I would play the lottery but that monitor is not widescreen, right?

Originally posted by: ClockHound
Samsung 215TW. It's EOL.

Buying used on Ebay could get me ripped-off. I almost bought one a few days ago but I didn't feel like locking myself in with the bidding. The note about "input-lag" isn't exactly a guarantee that this is the monitor I want also. Also what does "EOL" stand for.

Originally posted by: ClockHound
Or even consider a refurb S-IPS NEC 20WMGX2.

To expensive.

Originally posted by: ClockHound
If you feel lucky and live near an Office Max you could check out the $ 299 24" VA Soyo.

Why yes, I do live near one! But what is this about luck? This monitor have a lottery problem?


Thanks Clockhound! I am about near going crazy trying to choose.


EDIT: I have been reading here, http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1227542

Seems to be a lot of quality control problems, and a lot of returning. I am unsure why this is a good monitor....I don't see any reviews or anyone really reviewing it on those forums.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: DoctorM
So I received the new vx2435wm today and shipped the old one back via FedEx before even opening the box.

Once again (even though I requested it) there was no tape sealing the box closed. Bad TechonWeb.

So I plug it in, fire it up... and I have the same problem: in HDMI mode the monitor doesn't go into standby when there's no signal, and it doesn't wake from the 'no signal' mode when there is a signal. WTF??

SOooo I figured I'd screw around with it for a few days and see what I can do for it, but guess what: Stuck pixels!!!!

3-5 but it's hard to tell since they are clustered together. 1-2 black and 2-3 white.

I'd do another exchange but return shipping is going to kill me and I'm starting to have my doubts about this monitor in general.
I have to insure it so it's $22 to return each one.

Call me crazy, but a monitor fresh out of a box, not plugged into a PC, and plugged into an outlet should say 'No Signal' and then go into standby... shouldn't it?
I know damn well my first one work right for the first week.
Sigh. Any other 24" panel suggestions?

HP LP2465 should be decent. I don't know what I'm going to do with the recommendation of the VX2435wm though. I have no idea if this is a widespread issue or just an isolated one with certain video cards. I'm sorry I haven't been following but did this happen with another video card or PC?

Originally posted by: Machinus
xtknight -

2408WFP? Any good? Think you can identify the panel type?

http://support.dell.com/suppor...s/2408WFP/en/index.htm

Active matrix - TFT LCD
24 inches (24-inch diagonal viewable image size)

Horizontal
518.4 mm (20.4 inches)
Vertical
324 mm (12.7 inches)

Pixel pitch
0.27 mm

Viewing angle
178° (Vertical) typical, 178° (Horizontal) typical

Luminance output
400 cd/m ²(typ)

Contrast ratio
1300:1 (typ)

Faceplate coating
Antiglare with hard-coating 3H

Backlight
7 CCFL U-type system

Response Time
6ms typical (Grey to Grey)

Color Gamut
102% typical

Horizontal scan range
30 kHz to 83 kHz (automatic)

Vertical scan range
56 Hz to 75 Hz

Optimal preset resolution
1920 x 1200 at 60 Hz

Highest preset resolution
1920 x 1200 at 60 Hz

I'm pretty sure it's an S-PVA just like the 2407WFP-HC but I haven't seen a review of it yet.

Originally posted by: bricklayer
Just a few quick questions...

If I scale 2560x1600 down to 1920x1200 or 1600x1200 or 1280x800 for games (ie half/proper ratio), will it look like crap? It is still maintaining the aspect ratio unlike when I scale down my current 1280x1024 to anything lower. I'm am lead to believe that it's because 1280x1024 doesn't scale down properly - 640x512 when a proper 4:3 should be 640x480. No? I understand with a lower resolution there is less detail and more "jaggies", but on my current LCD, all other resolutions look like total crap, it's hard to make out anything. Everything is stretched, blurry, and blocky - even one resolution down.

It will still probably look like crap even with the same aspect ratio. It's just because 1280x800 is a quarter the resolution of 2560x1600 and the extra filler pixels have to come from somewhere, even though it's the same aspect ratio.

The low dot pitch of 2560x1600 30" screens may help but I still doubt the quality will live up to your (or my) expectations. It is certainly far from CRT quality still.

How important is the Hz compared to ms? I have a 19? 75Hz 8ms monitor and I do notice some ghosting in games (ie motion blur) that was not visible on my old 19? 85Hz CRT. Would 85Hz with 8ms be better then 60Hz with 3ms with the same size LCD, same/different panel to clear up ghosting a bit? How does this relate to input lag? This has me very confused ? I?m getting a headache thinking about what I just typed.

Are you saying you have a 19" 75Hz LCD now? That's interesting as they aren't all that common (but yes they do exist). I have never heard of higher than 75 Hz with a 19" or higher than 60 Hz with anything about 19", so an 85 Hz LCD is probably out of the question.

If your opponent is using a 60 Hz monitor with 2 frames of input lag, then a 75 Hz LCD with a 2 frame buffer will be faster.

In 60 Hz (cycles per second), each frame lasts 1000/60=16.7 ms. In 75 Hz, each frame lasts 1000/75=13.3 ms. 2 frames of 60 Hz is obviously a little longer resulting in more input lag. I'm not sure how 75 Hz LCDs work or if they really have less input lag though. That's just how I suspect it may work, if it actually processes frames at 75 Hz. You probably won't have to worry about it since nothing over 19" does anything over 60 Hz, that I know of. And nobody really knows if they process frames at 75 Hz or just interpolate to 60 Hz.

So out of the 60 Hz LCDs (the >19" market), you just have to worry about response time and input lag themselves. I'm not sure that one factor is more important than the other (low response time+medium input lag vs. medium response time+low input lag).

As far as contrast, my current monitor is at 700:1. Black areas don?t look so hot ? there pretty saturated with white. Is 800:1 much of an improvement? Or is 1000:1 pretty much required for deep black? I had my eye on a few monitors with 800:1, but from what I have read ? it may be worth going 1000 or better?

Your monitor was rated at 700:1 but I'm going to take a guess and say it's a TN. I don't know which model you actually have. But it probably reaches about 400:1 in reality.

Many "1000:1" LCDs are rated faithfully and actually reach that (when they're VA-based screens). Even some of the "1000:1" TNs reach 800:1 or so, resulting in deep blacks.

I use my PC for gaming, and programming. So I?m really concerned with the quality of the image (text sharpness) and ghosting. From my research ? the LCD panels that fall in this category are TN and *VA (MVA/PVA) panels. The TN?s being better for gaming and the PVAs being better for image quality. I?m pretty much stuck here, I really don?t want to make a tradeoff. But it looks like most displays over 24? use the *VA panels and under 24? mostly are TN panels. Is the assumption pretty much right? Are there any *VA panels that excel in both quality and lack of ghosting/input lag in the 24? and above sizes? Or any TN panels that have really good quality and little or no ghosting? Viewing angle isn?t a big deal as a stare straight at it ? but the more the better.

Thanks

The LG L226WTQ is certainly a good TN panel for gaming, as is the ViewSonic VX2255wmb. The ViewSonic has less input lag and the L226WTQ has a faster response time. I don't really think the LG's input lag is noticeable for most people so I would choose it, but some people may disagree and rather have less input lag.

The 24"s I list in the OP for multimedia are the best gaming choices. ViewSonic VX2435wm and HP LP2465. Neither have blazing fast response time, but both are good enough. The HP might be a little faster but its colors aren't as accurate without special calibration software. That still means it's OK though uncalibrated. The VX will just be better at displaying darker detail more faithfully and evenly.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: eriwik
Hello, and thanks for a great guide.

I have a question: what is the life expectancy of a LCD monitor? With life expectancy I mean how long you can (assuming no abuse) comfortably use the monitor, i.e. before you have too many defect pixels or colors became faded (or whatever happens).

I don't think dead pixels over time are overly common, at least with newer LCDs. It depends mostly on how much you use the monitor rather than how long you have it. It's really hard to say, but most people could probably use their LCDs for up to five years although the backlight might be a bit dim by then.

I am thinking of getting myself a new monitor to replace my old Samsung SyncMaster 959NF CRT (which still works fine, but I kind of want an LCD and have been looking at something like the Samsung SyncMaster 275T, UltraSharp 2707WFP, or perhaps even 3008WFP but since I consuider $1000 to be quite a lot I would like to know how long I can expect the monitor to last. If I can use it for 10 year that means an average of $100/year which is quite good. But if I have to get a new one in 3 years that is not as good.

I would not pay $1000 for an LCD today expecting it to last longer. A $1000 LCD probably won't last any longer than a $300-400 one. And newer LED-backlight LCDs may not be as far away as I thought. Buy a 24" now like the ViewSonic VX2435wm or HP LP2465, IMO. Both of these are good deals.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: ginfest
Any word on the Samsung 245T? From the specs it seems to be a good choice as opposed to the Viewsonic VX2435wm which is a similar type panel but seems to be more "full-featured", with more input, better color and response times and adjustable stand among others? And a similar price although the Viewsonic has a $100.00 rebate.
I have had great luck with my Samsung 215T, got it in a hot deal when they were close-outs last year, total cost=$179.00 + tax :thumbsup:
Like anything else though, it seems "small" now and I want to go 24" but don't want TN and S-IPS is priced too high for my liking and needs.
any comment on this panel?

Samsung 245T

There's a quite favorable review of the 245T at prad (they didn't like MPA much): http://prad.de/en/monitore/rev...view-samsung-245t.html

BeHardware said it was OK but didn't like the uncalibrated defaults or the MPA function. Not a big deal though: http://www.behardware.com/arti...03ws-samsung-245t.html

The contrast ratio of it is staggering, apparently. A pretty good LCD with some input lag (no different than other 24"s though). I'll probably recommend this. The PRAD review was only very recent. They did state some minor response time problems though.

But the price is right for a wide gamut: http://www.newegg.com/Product/...246&Tpk=samsung%2b245t

I'm going to read some user reviews first.

 

[camswinton]

I'm looking for a 24" LCD for multi-purpose use, including frequent photo editing. From reading this thread it would seem that the Dell 2407WFP-HC or ViewSonic VX2435WM would be good bets for the $. Are there other comparably priced monitors that I should be looking at? It seems that the Dell has some response time issues.. which has better color fidelity?

 

[DoctorM]

xtknight: So I guess I'll stick with the VX24 on analog for now. I'm starting a new job next week so I'll just upgrade my PC a bit earlier than I planned. It still looks great.

Everyone: Current sales at NewEgg.
Gateway FHD2400 at for $549, free shipping, and a free set of Logitech X-530 70W 5.1 Speakers.
Samsing 245BW $399.99 after rebate and discounts. Free shipping too. Promo Code: EMCABBJBF (you will need to be a subscriber to their email newsletter to use the promo code, but you don't actually need to have gotten this mailing.

The Samsung 245T does have very favorable reviews, but I noticed that gamers need not apply between ghosting and lag.

 

[redlinez33]

How do the Gateway FHD2400 and the HP 2408H compare? Prad gave the 2408H a great review, but extremetech gave the 2408 a horrible review... 2408H different? Who would you trust more?

Gateway seems good spec wise, but hardocp people are talking about backlight bleeding problems happening after they get the monitor.....................

 

[muggeh]

I had a 2408h and i wasn't happy with it because of the TN panel it has and all the drawbacks(color and view angle) that come with such a panel, i wanted to go for a Nec 2690 but i could get the Samsung 275T for 200 euro cheaper so i went with that against Xtknights advice(i'm very stubborn ) and im very happy with this screen.

Never again will i use a TN panel even if they pay me to use it !

 

[czajunia]

Originally posted by: camswinton
I'm looking for a 24" LCD for multi-purpose use, including frequent photo editing. From reading this thread it would seem that the Dell 2407WFP-HC or ViewSonic VX2435WM would be good bets for the $. Are there other comparably priced monitors that I should be looking at? It seems that the Dell has some response time issues.. which has better color fidelity?

Maybe just save some $$$$ ad go for NEC 2490. I would. Looks like an excellent all rounder and even better photo editing tool.

 

[camswinton]

Originally posted by: czajunia
Maybe just save some $$$$ ad go for NEC 2490. I would. Looks like an excellent all rounder.

I'd love the 2490, but it's TWICE the price of the other two I mentioned. If we didn't have 5 month old twins it'd be easier to justify saving more for the 2490... Yes, it is better as it's an H-IPS panel, but it's simply out of my price range at the moment. Any other suggestions in the < $650 category?

 

[AtmosFear]

So anyone have more info on the Dell 2408WFP? I can't find it anywhere on their site, but engadget says it was just released as of 2 days ago:

http://www.engadget.com/2008/0...ayport-and-everything/

I hope it fixes the ghosting issue found on the 2407WFP-HC.

 

[czajunia]

Originally posted by: camswinton
I'd love the 2490, but it's TWICE the price of the other two I mentioned. If we didn't have 5 month old twins it'd be easier to justify saving more for the 2490... Yes, it is better as it's an H-IPS panel, but it's simply out of my price range at the moment. Any other suggestions in the < $650 category?

Oooops... I am sorry. I didn't realize that they were that much more expensive in the US. Here in UK 24'' recommended *VA monitors sell for around £400-£500 and you can get IPS panel for comparable amount.

 

[czajunia]

Originally posted by: AtmosFear
So anyone have more info on the Dell 2408WFP? I can't find it anywhere on their site, but engadget says it was just released as of 2 days ago:

http://www.engadget.com/2008/0...ayport-and-everything/

I hope it fixes the ghosting issue found on the 2407WFP-HC.

You can have a look a few posts back and visit:
Dell's web page.

 

[Buck Armstrong]

Originally posted by: camswinton
I'm looking for a 24" LCD for multi-purpose use, including frequent photo editing. From reading this thread it would seem that the Dell 2407WFP-HC or ViewSonic VX2435WM would be good bets for the $. Are there other comparably priced monitors that I should be looking at? It seems that the Dell has some response time issues.. which has better color fidelity?

I just got an NEC 2470WNX (S-PVA) last night. Its comparable to both (24" *VAs), with the exceptions being the Dell is wider gamut (HC) and the ViewSonic is an S-MVA. After extensive research which included speaking to an NEC sales rep., comparing panel models and input lag tests at TFT Central, BeHardware, and PRAD, and reading every 2470 review I could find (PRAD, I4U, ConnectReviews, Trusted Reviews, MaximumPC) plus user reviews on HardOCP and NewEgg, here's what I concluded:

- Why I picked it over the ViewSonic: The NEC has a faster response time (6ms vs. 8ms) and less input lag (2 frames vs. 3 frames). According to PRAD, the 2470 has 2 frames at native and 3 at interpolated resolutions. Perception of lag is subjective, but this seems right on to me because at 1920x1200, I simply cannot notice ANY lag in games or on the desktop, even though I've been looking for it. But when I change resolutions with the monitor's internal scaler, it definitely becomes noticeable...still useable, but I can tell. Fortunately, PRAD was also right that if you use your video card's scaler instead of the NEC's, the lag does not increase when changing resolutions.

- Why I picked it over the Dell: While both are Samsung PVAs, the NEC does not use the same "special" panel as the Dell HC "high color" (LTM240CS01); this means that it does not have the wider gamut, but most importantly that it DOES NOT have the infamous inverse ghosting problem.

- Why I picked it over every other 24" VA: The NEC uses the newest revision (LTM240M2-L2) of the panel the original Dell 2407 (non-HC) used (LTM240M2). This means latest fixes with no banding, blurry text, etc., as reported on the original 2407 revisions.

Also, I made a table comparing its specs to every other 24" PVA and MVA I could find: Dell 2407, BenQ FP241W, LG L245/246, ViewSonic VX2435, Samsung 245T, HP LP2465, Planar PX2411W, and even Westinghouse L2410NM. Results:

1. NEC 2470, BenQ, LG, ViewSonic, and HP have the highest brightness (500 cd/m2).

2. They all have the same contrast ratio (1000:1), which is relatively accurate as they are all VAs.

3. The NEC 2470, Dell, BenQ, Samsung, HP, and Planar have the fastest response time (6ms G2G/16ms). The others are 8ms/16ms, except for the ViewSonic which is 8ms/20ms.

4. The NEC 2470, BenQ, and LG have the lowest reported input lag for a 24" non-TN: about 33ms=2 frames. The ViewSonic and HP av. 40-50ms, and the Samsung av. 50+ms. Numbers came from XTKnight, HardOCP, BeHardware, and PRAD.

5. They all have the same "VA" viewing angles (176/178 degrees). NEC 2470 and ViewSonic 2435 list an honest 176, the others 178; but I'd say 176 is more accurate for a VA in comparison with IPS panels, assuming IPS are the best (178).

Results: NEC 2470 has the highest brightness and contrast ratio, and fastest response time with the least input lag, in its class. I therefore concluded that the NEC 2470 is the best 24" non-TN available, except of course the NEC 2490 (H-IPS), which is the best 24" made but is out of my price range.

 

[DoctorM]

IS the NEC 2470WNX even available in the U.S.?

How are the colors? Is it a true 8-bit?

I'd like to hear some chatter on this since I haven't yet done an exchange on my panel, I can still do a return if the NEC is really that nice.

At 50% more than the Viewsonic VX24... it sure needs to be really nice.

 

[Buck Armstrong]

One last thing: I would guess the reason XTKnight doesn't list it in his recommendations is because the only in-depth "pro" review is the PRAD one, which confirms all of the above, but also mentions "overdrive problems" which I believe are similar to those reported about other monitors that used the same panel (like the Dell 2407 non-HC). Neither myself nor any other 2470 user I can find on multiple forums has experienced the problems in any game, including Half-Life 2 which is the game PRAD tested. So I assumed the PRAD review sample used the original LTM240M2 panel, while the current 2470 uses the newest revision, which would explain why they saw an issue that no one else has. To make sure, I asked NEC which panel they use. The reply:

"Dear xxxxx xxxxxx,

The LCD2470WNX currently has the Samsung LTM240M2-L02 panel.

Sincerely,

Justin Pendleton
NEC Display Solutions Service & Support
Telephone: 1-800-632-4662
E-mail: techsupport@necdisplay.com"

That, plus the fact that I cannot in any circumstance reproduce the issue mentioned by PRAD, is enough for me.

 

[Buck Armstrong]

Originally posted by: DoctorM
IS the NEC 2470WNX even available in the U.S.?

How are the colors? Is it a true 8-bit?

I'd like to hear some chatter on this since I haven't yet done an exchange on my panel, I can still do a return if the NEC is really that nice.

At 50% more than the Viewsonic VX24... it sure needs to be really nice.

Yes, it is an 8-bit S-PVA vs. your ViewSonic's 8-bit S-MVA. I think that means they're similar in every way, but you'd have to ask XT what the big differences between PVA and MVA are.

The only place I could find with a price of less than $800 including shipping was NewEgg. I got the black one (-BK) for $739, and I think the silver one is $10 more. I was worried about their return policy, but it wasn't a problem because I have no dead/stuck pixels, backlight bleeding, or any of the other out-of-the-box horrors I feared. Short of not being an IPS, its perfect.

I like ViewSonic, but I compared the two (2470 vs. 2435) and found that the NEC is faster and has less input lag, with a DVI-D input and no integrated speakers. Since I wanted DVI and don't need the speakers, I picked the NEC.

As for price; IMO, it was worth every penny over the other 24s. When someone at HardOCP asked if the 2470 used "A-grade panels", Travbomb (who used to work at NEC) answered: "Thats why it costs more. Better panel, better components, better plastics, NEC built ASIC's." I don't know whether that's true or not, but maybe XT does?

 

[xtknight]

I do apologize for those I may have missed. I try to get around to everyone and give at least some response but I have had a little less time to do so lately and it's a jungle sometimes. No worries though, I'll get around to you sooner or later.

Originally posted by: chadd
I'm looking for recommendations for an LCD monitor. Here are my requirements:
1. Size: 22" to 24"
2. Use: Photo editing (enthusiast, but not pro), audio applications and web browsing (no gaming or DVD viewing)
4. Budget: $700, although less is always better.
5. Must play nice with a Mac Pro
6. I have an Optix XR and EZColor for calibration.
Thanks in advance!

I recommend the ViewSonic VX2435wm and secondly the HP LP2465 if somehow the ViewSonic isn't an option. I don't recommend any 22"s for photo editing though. I hope this helps.

Originally posted by: chadd

Originally posted by: chadd
I'm looking for recommendations for an LCD monitor. Here are my requirements:
1. Size: 22" to 24"
2. Use: Photo editing (enthusiast, but not pro), audio applications and web browsing (no gaming or DVD viewing)
4. Budget: $700, although less is always better.
5. Must play nice with a Mac Pro
6. I have an Optix XR and EZColor for calibration.
Thanks in advance!

I should also add that I'd be willing to consider dual 17" monitors as well.

(And I don't think 17"s are suitable in any way because all I know are TNs.)

Originally posted by: Mallomar
Oh, now I see it. Before I had only seen the other SV Kit that was only for an LED monitor. I should have looked further. Thanks for the links.

One more question, since I don't know anything about colorimeters or calibration software -- if I buy an SV model of the 2690 (or buy the SV kit from NEC), since it will include the NEC version of the software, doesn't this mean I wouldn't be able to use that software with a different brand of LCD?

The NEC software supports only a certain few models of colorimeters. But Eye One Match is freely available off Gretag-Macbeth's site and I think it should support your colorimeter if you get the SV kit. I don't know though. The only way I know for sure is to order the Eye One Display 2 independently from NEC and get the SV software only.

If so, would I be able to buy colorimeter software (for a non-NEC LCD) separately, or is it only sold with colorimeters? I checked the Gretag site, but it was unclear -- there was a link for "software downloads" but you have to register and set up an account, so I couldn't find out if there was a separate charge for software if you already have the colorimeter.

See here (i1 Match software): http://www.xrite.com/product_o...?Action=support&ID=788

I am planning to order the 2690 SV by tomorrow at the latest. Since nobody has it in stock, I guess I'll just order it from the cheapest vendor, sit back, and wait for it. Right now I am using an LG L226WTQ that my husband ran out and bought yesterday when my Mits CRT croaked. The color on the LG is pretty awful (for example, everything that's supposed to be gray looks baby blue) -- I need to install its "forte Manager" and see if I can adjust it. Maybe it's normal for the colors to be out of whack right out of the box?

Yeah it's probably more normal than not for TNs.

UPDATE: I've decided to just go ahead and get the 2690 (non-SV) model, so I can have it by next week. I'll deal with the colorimeter issue separately, since it's not absolutely essential that I have it in my hands at the same time that I get the monitor.

One more really important question -- do I need to also buy a cable so I can hook up the monitor to my digital video input? I can't see anything on the NEC site about whether or not the monitor comes with a digital cable, but I'm guessing it doesn't. If not, what type of cable do I need to buy?

TIA,

Mallomar

My 2690 came with a digital cable and if I recall, also an analog one.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Gunlance
I am trying to pick out a new LCD monitor. I tried asking the bit-tech.net forums, I tried using the guides at behardware, prad, tft central, x-bit and of course here.

Sorry I didn't notice your post at first. Sometimes I answer out of order and forget to look back.

I currently own a BenQ FP222W and I was pretty happy. Every now and then I saw some washed out colors in usually SVG graphics, or .png like a million shades of blue would lead to that dithering. Sorry if I am using the wrong technical terms. Until one day I was looking at a picture of the planet Saturn. The rings were noisy, with flashing black/purple pixels, there was banding etc. it was terrible. I thought something went wrong with my monitor. I tried a different DVI cable and tried to trouble shoot the problem. Well it was not the cable or video card...it was my monitor. In figuring out just what went wrong I learned pretty much the "truth" and discovered I sure was one un-informed consumer on LCD Monitors.

Mind linking this image of Saturn just so I can see what you mean?

I am having a terrible time of picking out a monitor now. My biggest complaint with my monitor is the performance with black in anything. Whether I am looking a picture with shadows, or watching a movie like sunshine. It?s just terrible.

I thought the only solution with a new monitor is going non-TN panel, and 8-bit. But everything in that category seems out of my price range or doesn?t sync with what I would use the monitor for. Using the anandtech buyers guide I fall under the multimedia category.

My computer is used for office work, games, and movie watching. But not hardcore movie watching I am not sitting 10ft away from my monitor and expecting the best picture. I sit in front of the monitor so viewing angles won?t be that big of a problem. With gaming I assume I need to be picky with the specifications. I use a high performance mouse, and play games that sometime require a lot of speed?which is any online FPS. I never suffered performance problems with my current monitor in that area, or know of any times in which I would blame in-game death on the ?lag? of my monitor. Whether that?s related to input lag or response time I am not that clear about.

In terms of graphic work I have been just fine I assume, with my monitor. Pictures taken with DSLR's, and digital cameras touch up fine and I get what I want accomplished in photoshop and lightroom. Not sure if it falls under graphic work. But editing digital video has been fine, and I get the same performance with this monitor as I do out of the Apple Cinema Displays on campus.

Well I'm not sure that this is true but it all depends on how happy you are with your monitor.

So where do I go? I think I can only afford TN panel monitors. I don?t mind 19-22? widescreen size range but above that seems too much, especially cost wise. I am still just a student and need to invest in education. The ability to tilt the monitor to portrait mode would be great, and the only accessory I would use would be USB ports. Not S-Video, Component, HDMI etc.

Lastly I believe I might have discovered what I wanted in a monitor, it was a Belinea model. But they don?t seem to be sold anywhere?

Belineas are not sold in the US.

Fortunately there might be a better 22" choice for you. In particular, you should look at the ViewSonic VX2255wmb. I really can't guarantee that it's going to have a better black level or anything, though. It's possible that a glossy monitor like an HP w2207 would be better for you. Glossy panels make black a lot darker but that doesn't mean they have better color accuracy.

P.S. EOL=End of Life, discontinued

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: camswinton
I'm looking for a 24" LCD for multi-purpose use, including frequent photo editing. From reading this thread it would seem that the Dell 2407WFP-HC or ViewSonic VX2435WM would be good bets for the $. Are there other comparably priced monitors that I should be looking at? It seems that the Dell has some response time issues.. which has better color fidelity?

The ViewSonic probably has better color accuracy and you shouldn't get the Dell if you're editing sRGB photos.

Get the Dell if you're doing a lot more print matching, I suppose.

If it's both then stick with the ViewSonic VX2435wm. It's definitely a safer bet and the Dell's response issues don't exactly make it more attractive.

 

[MDDI]

I have a Dell 2001FP which is reported to have a L.G. Phillips S-IPS LM201U04 panel.

I'm thinking of selling it on eBay.

Original shipping carton, literature, cables and CD.

No dead/stuck/bright pixels. No scratches or blems on the panel or chasis. Looks pretty new.

Anyone have an idea of it's worth?

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: jgauthier
Hi xtknight,

I have read in various forums that people who order the A4 version seem to be getting the S-IPS panel. I didn't want to take the chance by ordering the A8 (despite being ~$100 cheaper) and finding out it is the A-MVA! If anyone could report owning the LP2065 mfg # EF227A8 that has the S-IPS panel that would be good to know. Maybe I could have saved myself some money!

Regards,

Thanks for the info. I'll be anxious to hear if any A8 users have S-IPS.

Originally posted by: rjn17960
I saw the Dell 3008 reviews and it looks like they've made some improvements over the 3007. Anyone care to guess if they'll update the 2707 anytime soon? I get a Dell discount through my employer (Dell Premier), but the 3008 isn't on the list, and I'd rather go 27" anyway.

The 2707 sounds good, but I can wait a month or so if rumor has a 2708 coming out soon with improvements like the better contrast and brightness seen in the 3008 vs the 3007.

Thanks, Rich

The 3008 is very expensive right now. I'm actually not even sure what the difference is but I'll have to look at reviews before adding it, in any case.

Originally posted by: muggeh
I had a 2408h and i wasn't happy with it because of the TN panel it has and all the drawbacks(color and view angle) that come with such a panel, i wanted to go for a Nec 2690 but i could get the Samsung 275T for 200 euro cheaper so i went with that against Xtknights advice(i'm very stubborn ) and im very happy with this screen.

Never again will i use a TN panel even if they pay me to use it !

You don't happen to know that I study reverse psychology?

Originally posted by: redlinez33
How do the Gateway FHD2400 and the HP 2408H compare? Prad gave the 2408H a great review, but extremetech gave the 2408 a horrible review... 2408H different? Who would you trust more?

H is HDMI model, regular is DVI model.

It seems like ExtremeTech is being a little overcritical. I usually just look at the data and make my own conclusions. I don't feel that the brightness uniformity based on prad's measurements is bad at all. My 2690 is worse with the compensation feature off and that's how I use daily now. No problems.

The w2408 looks decent but I do recommend the Gateway FHD2400. It seems to be a better deal because of the connectivity options.

Gateway seems good spec wise, but hardocp people are talking about backlight bleeding problems happening after they get the monitor.....................

Yup, this is common with this screen, and with TNs in general. The Samsung 245BW seems to be the best 24" TN right now. I might have to switch up my recommendations there but the Gateway really is a better package and it's hard to know with no direct comparison of the 245BW vs. Gateway. From what I've heard though, the 245BW is better than I originally thought, and Gateway is worse than I originally thought.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: MDDI
I have a Dell 2001FP which is reported to have a L.G. Phillips S-IPS LM201U04 panel.

I'm thinking of selling it on eBay.

Original shipping carton, literature, cables and CD.

No dead/stuck/bright pixels. No scratches or blems on the panel or chasis. Looks pretty new.

Anyone have an idea of it's worth?

At least $300, maybe $350.

(If the backlight isn't dim after tons of use.)

 

[MDDI]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: MDDI
I have a Dell 2001FP which is reported to have a L.G. Phillips S-IPS LM201U04 panel.

I'm thinking of selling it on eBay.

Original shipping carton, literature, cables and CD.

No dead/stuck/bright pixels. No scratches or blems on the panel or chasis. Looks pretty new.

Anyone have an idea of it's worth?

At least $300, maybe $350.

(If the backlight isn't dim after tons of use.)

 

[MDDI]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: MDDI
I have a Dell 2001FP which is reported to have a L.G. Phillips S-IPS LM201U04 panel.

I'm thinking of selling it on eBay.

Original shipping carton, literature, cables and CD.

No dead/stuck/bright pixels. No scratches or blems on the panel or chasis. Looks pretty new.

Anyone have an idea of it's worth?

At least $300, maybe $350.

(If the backlight isn't dim after tons of use.)

Thanks, for the reply xtknight. I don't believe the backlight is dim, it's been my home monitor, not used at work.