[Retired] The LCD Thread

[JASTECH]

Question if I may. My PX-2611 is in the next town about 1 mile away because I was not home and we live 13 miles out of the main town so they get a signiture at the feed store. Anyways, I will pick it up tomarrow and was wondering about calibrating it. I don't have a spider or moth or anything like that so how do I calibrate it and what is the best free way. My printer is a Canon i9900 and the scanner is a EPSON 4670 Pro. I was thinking of AdobeRGB as it has a wider gamut then sRGB correct? My wifes monitor "2209WA" should be here this week for her B-Day present and I should calibrate it the same so that our photos match when she wants to print on "my" printer instead of her HP all-in-none.

Thanks, JASTECH

Edit: I picked up my PX2611 and took the G520 off the desk and in that spot now sits "Awsomeness" out of the box! I am truly impressed, this monitor give the word ynamic" a whole new meaning.

 

[imported_Jid]

Originally posted by: mmnno
So the monitor by itself cannot display sRGB content accurately. That requires an icc profile and color managed applications, or else a color managed operating system. Vista may be able to do this, but I'm having trouble with that feature since I'm running dual monitors.

thanks for trying to clarify all this for me BTW, much appreciated.

so.. does that mean if the monitor is calibrated along with a profile the way TFTcentral did then sRGB content like an image opened in a color managed application like photoshop for instance will be displayed accurate to the degree their calibration report shows?

 

[mmnno]

Originally posted by: Jid

Originally posted by: mmnno
So the monitor by itself cannot display sRGB content accurately. That requires an icc profile and color managed applications, or else a color managed operating system. Vista may be able to do this, but I'm having trouble with that feature since I'm running dual monitors.

thanks for trying to clarify all this for me BTW, much appreciated.

so.. does that mean if the monitor is calibrated along with a profile the way TFTcentral did then sRGB content like an image opened in a color managed application like photoshop for instance will be displayed accurate to the degree their calibration report shows?

It will be accurate to the degree your own calibration report shows, but more importantly any tagged images in photoshop will then display in their native gamut rather than in the gamut of your display.

 

[ekellner]

Hi, I'm looking for a good quality all-around LCD screen between 24 and 26". There are a few screens that I am looking at which seem to be recommended: the NEC 2690WUXi, and the Dell 2709W. And there's one screen I want to ask about: the LG W2600hp.

I'm not finding many positive reviews for this screen -- most the positive things about the screen have to do with the price: and 540? for a 26" S-IPS is pretty good. It's almost 500? cheaper than the NEC (which is known to be excellent). Naturally with such a wide difference I'm skeptical of the LG monitor.

I'm wondering if the lack of enthusiastic recommendations for the LG has to do with the performance of the monitor, or the unfortunate fact that the W2600 seems to be a TN monitor in North America? Maybe the reviewers can't get the IPS version, or they don't want to give a misleading recommendation?

The Dell 2709W is about the same cost as the LG W2600hp as well, but the one thing I like a lot more about the LG is the much quicker latency. Now admittedly I'm just an occasional gamer, so this isn't crucial, but IPS generally appeals to me more than PVA.

Thanks for your feedback,
Elli

 

[BassBomb]

2209WA is 220$ CDN from Dell.ca for 48 hours!

 

[ZX81]

just beat me to it lol

http://accessories.dell.com/sn...s=cabsdt1&sku=320-7825

I just ordered 4 of them

Big thanks to all in this thread, I have window shopped for months for a multimonitor system. Now I have 4 quailty panels coming for ~$900 canadian total

Awesome work all you contributers - thank you!

 

[mmnno]

Originally posted by: JASTECH
Question if I may. My PX-2611 is in the next town about 1 mile away because I was not home and we live 13 miles out of the main town so they get a signiture at the feed store. Anyways, I will pick it up tomarrow and was wondering about calibrating it. I don't have a spider or moth or anything like that so how do I calibrate it and what is the best free way. My printer is a Canon i9900 and the scanner is a EPSON 4670 Pro. I was thinking of AdobeRGB as it has a wider gamut then sRGB correct? My wifes monitor "2209WA" should be here this week for her B-Day present and I should calibrate it the same so that our photos match when she wants to print on "my" printer instead of her HP all-in-none.

Thanks, JASTECH

Edit: I picked up my PX2611 and took the G520 off the desk and in that spot now sits "Awsomeness" out of the box! I am truly impressed, this monitor give the word ynamic" a whole new meaning.

I guess nobody else has any tips..

One helpful site will help you adjust the picture by eye, but it can't help you much with color accuracy. Without any calibration tools of your own, you'll need to find an ICC profile from someone else. I haven't seen any (your best bet is the huge hardforum thread), but if you can't find one the next best thing would be the profile ToastyX posted for the DS-263N in the thread for that monitor on hardforum.

The two monitors are very similar...or at least they used to be. If you got the version Planar describes on their site (i.e. two DVI ports instead of one) you might try a 2690WUXi profile instead. One major difference of the 263N is its green imbalance out of the box, so if you use that profile you'll need to make sure red and blue aren't over-emphasized.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: benenglish
I've done a search on the thread and via various other online resources and found nothing useful. If I've overlooked an answer, I apologize in advance.

Here's my situation for which I need a recommendation for an LCD monitor -

I support a group of users who live and die by an application designed (I've talked to the designers and coders) to be viewed at 1024x768 or higher. The app includes zero controls for the users to alter the look/fonts. The app also employs various delicate fonts that I'm sure look great to the youngsters that designed it but are pretty darn hard to read.

Our standard 17 and 19 inch monitors have various native resolutions, all of them higher than 1024x768. When they are turned down to that resolution, they all look horrible and many of my users can't read the application screens.

I need to find a monitor designed to crisply display static text at the larger sizes required by aging eyes. It needs to have a native resolution no higher than 1024x768 (or maybe one step higher, if the screen is above minimum size) and must be at least 17 inches diagonal. Widescreens should be at least 19 inches to be considered.

My strong preference is for a 19" screen with 1024x768 native resolution and (obviously) a standard (non-widescreen) aspect ratio.

Yes, we've been through ClearType, dot pitch changes, and other things that create administration problems in a large user population. What we really need is simply a hardware solution that makes on-screen objects bigger.

Does anyone manufacture such a beast?

Thanks in advance for any recommendations.

I'm pretty confused about why the native resolution has to be 1024x768. Don't you just want a big dot pitch? You can still run a 1024x768 app inside a larger res.

(There are no 19" LCDs that I'm aware of that run at 1024x768. You can try other large dot pitch displays like 26" or eve 28". But you will have to clear up the native resolution thing.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: spacemanspliff1
Is the LG Flatron L227WTG-PF still the fastest, best gaming monitor? I would prefer 24" but want the most CRT response possible. It makes a difference for me. Hardcore COD2 FPS dork here. Speed kills or gets you killed lol.

IMO yeah...

The LG is for you if you want speed. It's so fast it doesn't even blur small fonts when they are moved.

 

[imported_Jid]

Originally posted by: mmnno
It will be accurate to the degree your own calibration report shows, but more importantly any tagged images in photoshop will then display in their native gamut rather than in the gamut of your display.

great, thanks. PRAD's review really threw me off, I guess next is to figure out if all my software manages color well(ones that need it anyway), unfortunately the main program I'll be running needs to run under winXP, but I guess for everything else I can dual boot.

Again, thanks

 

[JASTECH]

mmnno, Thanks for the link I am still trying to get use to this 2611 as it has a lot of real estate and super clear. What I don't like is some sites give me a white border on the sides about 3" each and that is blinding. Can I do anything about it other then lowering my resolution?

xtknight, Hi....I finally got that monitor I kept asking about what is best and this you and this forum came through with some very nice flat land!

Thanks, JASTECH

 

[mmnno]

A white border around the sides? Do you have your browser maximized? Don't do that.

The monitor is blinding to be sure. Turn the brightness down to 0 and you'll get used to it. At first it seems like you never will.

 

[DaveLessnau]

Originally posted by: JASTECH
mmnno, Thanks for the link I am still trying to get use to this 2611 as it has a lot of real estate and super clear. What I don't like is some sites give me a white border on the sides about 3" each and that is blinding. Can I do anything about it other then lowering my resolution?

xtknight, Hi....I finally got that monitor I kept asking about what is best and this you and this forum came through with some very nice flat land!

Thanks, JASTECH

A lot of sites give you the ability to adjust the display for wide-screen. Try to see if something like that exists. Also, try CTRL-+ to zoom the browser display in a bit. Depending on how it's implemented, that should move the borders out and reduce those margins.

 

[palladium]

Hi all,

I've a question here... I've heard someone saying that LCD TV is 'better' than the high end monitors, due to the fact that they have higher contrast ratio, and are capable of displaying 10bit colours ( which most non-professional displays can't). Assuming that one doesn't mind the dot pitch of a 32inch 1080P HDTV ( and doesn't mind sitting in front of it either), how true/valid is that statement..?

Also, are Apple monitors that great.....? One of my friend is getting the 23" Cinema Display, he thinks it's the 'best' monitor out there ( in the 22-24" category).

 

[JASTECH]

mmnno, I do have my browser maximized as all my pages are. I did use the CTRL + and before I can even fill the real estate I feel like I could throw my shoes at the buttons! This Planar PX2611 is so nice I have my feet tide in knots under my chair in excitement to use it everyday.

I did the test on the link provided above and OOTB "Out-Of-The-Box" This monitor passes all the test!

If you need me to do any tests on it xtknight then just let me know. I have high end cameras for photos if needed.

palladium, I too would like to know this as I thought about a LCD TV but I would have to compute in the livingroom :-(

Thanks, JASTECH

 

[TraumaRN]

Question:

I'm looking for a new monitor. i like a monitor to be at least 1080p in res so I can hook up my xbox360 and my pc. Obviously I'm a gamer and I do some amateur photography/editing. Thats about it. I have external speakers(z-5500's) so I could care less if the monitor has speakers. But good picture quality and low response time are my biggest concerns. Actual size doesn't matter. Price does. Less than $275 is preferred and definitely no more than $300 and thats a firm price ceiling. TIA.

 

[JASTECH]

Well I just ordered the 2209WA with 20% off, It seems the last Rep I talked to from DELL didn't complete the order so I got the 5ry extended warranty and 76.00 discount. But I have what may be a silly question and the Rep didn't know the answer either, Where in the world is the USB connection on the 2611? I see the 4 USB 2.0 ports on the left side and not the hub connection anywhere.

Thanks, JASTECH

Edit: Posted about teh Ghost USB Hub port on the Planar support site and in 20 minutes had an answer. He stated the manual was incorrect and not to clear at all. You have to remove the black plastic guard on the bottom and then next to the VGA D- sub is the black "B" connection.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Jid
Hey guys, I'm doing a lot of research trying to pick out a 24 incher suitable for 3d graphics and some photo editing work. I'm an amateur and a student and as of yet I don't know if I'll be needing the extended colour space at all or if good sRGB display will be more important to me.. I'm still in the middle of researching and figuring that out but I'm looking at 2 potential monitors right now, the LP2475W from HP and the Nec 2490wuxi. I figured, depending on whether I decide I need the extended colour space or not I'll know which one to get.

However, I was initially going by PRAD's review which calibrated the LP2475w very well but with a some deviation in sRGB, of course AdobeRGB was excellent. Here is that section of the review

Then while reading about some other monitors I came across the Dell 2408WFP review at tftcentral which seemed to have a fantastic calibration which then led me to look for the lp2475w review and of course it had fantastic calibration to sRGB as well, much better than what PRAD achieved. Here is the tftcentral review

So my question now is, why were the results from both sites so different? Is it dependent on the calibration software/hardware they are using? Did they get different screens from manufacturer? Something else?

Nobody will ever know, but this happens a lot. Probably differences in test methods more than anything else. I myself am still confused about how PRAD calibrates to sRGB and what it means. I probably haven't bothered to read one of their testing methodology pages yet.

I want to know this because if I can get good calibration hardware and software to get the kind of results TFT got (probably for the price difference between the NEC and the HP alone) I can just go order the LP2475w and call it a day. I can worry about what space is more beneficial to me once I start work I guess as I'll have both options with this monitor right?

So, what are your thoughts?

Well, calibrating to the sRGB gamut itself really isn't possible. So like I say, I'm not sure what PRAD is doing or how they are testing 'sRGB' (same goes for TFT Central). I would only bother to look at deltaE for the native color space, and IPS panels rarely if ever have a problem with color accuracy there. You should never use the sRGB emulation mode on the monitor, but instead use the software color management under the monitor's native mode. A monitor of that caliber should perform quite well for sRGB when run under color management/emulation using software like Photoshop.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Vitkenstine
Thank you all so much who are responsible for the information in this thread. I have learned a lot and tools like this are catalyst for better products in the future.

We can only hope. I'm sure they're trying as we speak.

Originally posted by: JASTECH
Question if I may. My PX-2611 is in the next town about 1 mile away because I was not home and we live 13 miles out of the main town so they get a signiture at the feed store. Anyways, I will pick it up tomarrow and was wondering about calibrating it. I don't have a spider or moth or anything like that so how do I calibrate it and what is the best free way. My printer is a Canon i9900 and the scanner is a EPSON 4670 Pro. I was thinking of AdobeRGB as it has a wider gamut then sRGB correct? My wifes monitor "2209WA" should be here this week for her B-Day present and I should calibrate it the same so that our photos match when she wants to print on "my" printer instead of her HP all-in-none.

Thanks, JASTECH

Edit: I picked up my PX2611 and took the G520 off the desk and in that spot now sits "Awsomeness" out of the box! I am truly impressed, this monitor give the word ynamic" a whole new meaning.

I wouldn't worry about calibrating it much. But, what you should do is learn how to use the ICC profile with Photoshop. An ICC profile is typically included on the CD that comes with your monitor, or the drivers provided on the website for the monitor. This ICC profile is a measurement of the gamut of the monitor (which doesn't really depend on the unit). That will fix the problem to about 85% as well as you could do with a calibrator too. The PX2611W isn't bad by default.

Originally posted by: ekellner
Hi, I'm looking for a good quality all-around LCD screen between 24 and 26". There are a few screens that I am looking at which seem to be recommended: the NEC 2690WUXi, and the Dell 2709W. And there's one screen I want to ask about: the LG W2600hp.

I'm not finding many positive reviews for this screen -- most the positive things about the screen have to do with the price: and 540? for a 26" S-IPS is pretty good. It's almost 500? cheaper than the NEC (which is known to be excellent). Naturally with such a wide difference I'm skeptical of the LG monitor.

I'm wondering if the lack of enthusiastic recommendations for the LG has to do with the performance of the monitor, or the unfortunate fact that the W2600 seems to be a TN monitor in North America? Maybe the reviewers can't get the IPS version, or they don't want to give a misleading recommendation?

Yeah, it's a TN here (elsewhere?) if it's even available widely. I don't even see a W2600 LCD available in the US. I think many people haven't tried the IPS version yet or don't have access to it.

The Dell 2709W is about the same cost as the LG W2600hp as well, but the one thing I like a lot more about the LG is the much quicker latency. Now admittedly I'm just an occasional gamer, so this isn't crucial, but IPS generally appeals to me more than PVA.

Thanks for your feedback,
Elli

Have you considered the HP LP2475w? The Hazro 24" isn't available in your area I suppose?

Most S-PVAs with overdrive have very satisfying response time, but they can have more input lag than comparable IPS screens. But I think since you're an occasional gamer 3 frames (~47-50 ms) isn't something to be worried about.

I wouldn't get an unreviewed monitor, even an IPS, sight unseen. If you can see it at a store, go for it. If not, then I would stick with the Dell assuming the HP and Hazro aren't available. Or, maybe you want to spend money on the NEC.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: ZX81
just beat me to it lol

http://accessories.dell.com/sn...s=cabsdt1&sku=320-7825

I just ordered 4 of them

Big thanks to all in this thread, I have window shopped for months for a multimonitor system. Now I have 4 quailty panels coming for ~$900 canadian total

Awesome work all you contributers - thank you!

Umm thank Dell for bringing the 2209WA to market, I guess. heheh

 

[JASTECH]

xtknight, I went to the Planar site and could not locate it.

Your search - ICC Profile - did not match any documents.
No pages were found containing "ICC Profile".
I will now start Googleing

Thanks, JASTECH

Edit: xtknight thanks. Here is the link if others need it for toastyX's ICC Profile for the Planar PX2611W....ICC Profile

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: JASTECH
xtknight, I went to the Planar site and could not locate it.

Your search - ICC Profile - did not match any documents.
No pages were found containing "ICC Profile".
I will now start Googleing

Thanks, JASTECH

It will be on the CD provided with your monitor.

If you can't find it, then you can try this ICC provided by ToastyX:

http://www.hardforum.com/showp...31301594&postcount=378

 

[JASTECH]

I did not see a CD, better look for it now, lol

Thanks, JASTECH

 

[ekellner]

Have you considered the HP LP2475w? The Hazro 24" isn't available in your area I suppose?

Most S-PVAs with overdrive have very satisfying response time, but they can have more input lag than comparable IPS screens. But I think since you're an occasional gamer 3 frames (~47-50 ms) isn't something to be worried about.

I wouldn't get an unreviewed monitor, even an IPS, sight unseen. If you can see it at a store, go for it. If not, then I would stick with the Dell assuming the HP and Hazro aren't available. Or, maybe you want to spend money on the NEC.

I did look at the HP LP2474w, but at 560? it's close to price of the Dell, more than the LG, and 2" smaller. Plus the monitor itself (especially the stand), is quite ugly with a deep footprint, and to be honest I do care about that. Since there are alternatives I was looking at those.

I'm in Germany, and I haven't even hard of Hazro, but I quick search of amazon and prad seems to indicate it's not available.

I'm at the CeBIT right now, and LG's booth has a W2600HP there. Now granted, it's been chosen for showing and it's in a booth, but it looks good. You can see it's not a TN panel, it's noticably better.

Regardless I think I'm leaning more towards the Dell now, if the input lag isn't much to be concerned for me.

Thanks,
Elli

 

[Enchanter]

Hi,

I am currently looking to upgrade my Sony G420 (a 19in Trinitron CRT) to something bigger and choosing between the HP LP2475w or Dell UltraSharp 2709W (would consider the 2408W too but the 27 incher is only a little bit more...). Edit: There's a special deal on the 2408W (AUD$200 less than retail) so I might as well throw it in here for consideration with the HP.

I am a casual gamer (playing anything from current games to 'oldies', as long as they are good, for 1-2hrs a day), with the majority of my usage being web browsing, office spreadsheets and watching shows (mostly anime fansubs and DVDs). I have a Dell UltraSharp 1905 on another computer and I quite like its sharp/crisp image (though I have only recently acquired it so I cannot say how it really compares to the Sony). The reviews for both the HP and Dell are favourable and I cannot honestly tell which would look better, other than the fact the Dell is larger. I would greatly appreciate your help in helping me make a choice.

Thanks in advance!