RgIII

[Via]

I heard some guys on a sports talk station discussing him, and they were saying that Cleveland's 2 first rounders would not be enough to move up to the #2 slot to draft. They were saying that it would take another #1 plus something else to make that deal with St. Louis.

Seriously? It would take more than three #1 picks to get this guy? St. Louis would only be dropping like 3 slots. I saw some of his games this year, and he's an impressive talent, but it seemed to me a lot of his great plays were college plays, not pro plays.

On top of all of that - they also said the Redskins might be willing to give up four #1s to get him.

Wow - just wow. Is he really worth that? In some sort of bizarre way - is he riding the Tebow hype wake?

 

[a123456]

That seems a little excessive. People were willing to go about ~3-5 #1's to get Luck. If you have 4 of them, you might as well do the whole big trade to get Luck anyway.

In terms of is he worth it, no one knows. All these guys are like buying a lottery ticket. I think Luck will be good, maybe up to like Matt Ryan performance but not another Peyton or something. Same with RG3. But I can see why they would do it. The extra revenue generation from a huge signing might be worth it in terms of dollars. If your team sucks anyway, sucking another few years from lack of draft picks isn't going to change the franchise that much.

However, if you hit the jackpot, look what happened to Indy over the last 10 years, both in playoff wins and extra revenue just from 1 pick.

Even Tebow was worth it. I'm sure they got millions of extra dollars from him no matter what happens this year or in the future.

 

[RavenSEAL]

Draft Pick Value Chart

 

[Via]

The Bears were eviscerated for giving up 2 #1s for Cutler (I don't really count Orton because it was a straight position swap and Orton wouldn't have played anymore anyway).

And he was a 25 year old Pro Bowl QB with a cannon for an arm.

I'm just not sure I see it.

 

[EvilYoda]

It's going to be an exciting draft, that's for sure...RGIII killed at the combine. I've been on the road working so I haven't read/seen too much about how he deals with teams evaluating him on the x's and o's though...probably pretty well, as otherwise it'd be a bigger story.

 

[IAteYourMother]

I call bullshit, who can offer that kind of draft capital except the Browns? You need more bidders than one to drive the price that high.

 

[sactoking]

Well, most of the analysts have been comparing Luck-Griffin to Manning-Leaf in '98. That year San Diego gave up 2 #1s, a #3, a #5, and Eric Metcalf (a Pro Bowl RB/KR) to move up ONE spot. This year some team is going to move up more than one spot (since Minn won't be moving up from #3), Griffin doesn't have the work ethic questions Leaf had, and the rookie pay scale means you'll lock in Griffin for 4 years at about what you pay a guard or center plus be able to franchise him for two additional years if need be.

Given the distance to move (at least two spots), the more manageable salary cap number, and his impressive interviews why shouldn't StL get at least 3 #1s considering the trade history for Leaf?

 

[zinfamous]

what kind of name is RGIII?

 

[hclarkjr]

i am kind of undecided on the skins trying for him. sure they need a QB badly but i do not want them to give away to much to get him. they have other needs as well

 

[mvbighead]

Well, most of the analysts have been comparing Luck-Griffin to Manning-Leaf in '98. That year San Diego gave up 2 #1s, a #3, a #5, and Eric Metcalf (a Pro Bowl RB/KR) to move up ONE spot. This year some team is going to move up more than one spot (since Minn won't be moving up from #3), Griffin doesn't have the work ethic questions Leaf had, and the rookie pay scale means you'll lock in Griffin for 4 years at about what you pay a guard or center plus be able to franchise him for two additional years if need be.

Given the distance to move (at least two spots), the more manageable salary cap number, and his impressive interviews why shouldn't StL get at least 3 #1s considering the trade history for Leaf?

A lot of truth in this. It seems Atlanta was one of the few teams that felt that way last year, and paid a king's ransom to move up and draft Julio last year.

At this point, it seems the scouts are swooning over Robert Griffin III (RG3) and he is deemed the consensus #2 pick. So basically, it is no question of who is being drafted at #2, simply who is doing the drafting. When things are that certain because a player stands out that much more than his opponents, I could see a team paying that much to move up to get him.

I dunno that I would if I ran a franchise, but someone will, most likely.

 

[rise]

Draft Pick Value Chart

That's old and out of date.

I think it will take this years 1 and 2 and next years 1 plus a conditional for a team to get up to #2.

I think they over-paid but the falcons last year gave five picks- their 1st- (27th overall), second- (59th) and fourth-round (124th) picks this year and their first- and fourth-round picks in 2012 to move up to the 6th spot.

3 number 3's for the number two is way over paying imo.

 

[Anubis]

what kind of name is RGIII?

yea i have no idea who they are talking about either

 

[Genx87]

I'd take a bunch of picks over a single player. It is such a crap shoot on who turns out in the NFL. I'd take more bodies in camp and see who can play.

 

[AstroManLuca]

what kind of name is RGIII?

Robert Griffin the Third

 

[AstroManLuca]

That's old and out of date.

I think it will take this years 1 and 2 and next years 1 plus a conditional for a team to get up to #2.

I think they over-paid but the falcons last year gave five picks- their 1st- (27th overall), second- (59th) and fourth-round (124th) picks this year and their first- and fourth-round picks in 2012 to move up to the 6th spot.

3 number 3's for the number two is way over paying imo.

Agreed. Trying to map out the values of different draft picks is pointless without considering who is up for the draft in a given year. This year the values are skewed towards the first two positions because there are precisely two (potentially) elite quarterbacks available.

 

[mvbighead]

I'd take a bunch of picks over a single player. It is such a crap shoot on who turns out in the NFL. I'd take more bodies in camp and see who can play.

It all depends on the team.

In the case of the Rams, they have a guy who they think can be "it" in Sam Bradford. They have no need for RG3, but several other teams are head over heels in love with the guy. If I am the Redskins, I know that my biggest problem is the QB position. I also know that they spend a ton of money in FA, so they can get camp bodies and talent to fill out the roster there.

RG3 could be the catalyst that takes them from a mediocre team to a playoff team. Hell, look at what Peyton Manning did for the Colts.

In any case, if there is that much interest in RG3, the Rams would be stupid to not take the pay day for it. If the Redskins were sitting there, they'd be stupid to trade the pick. Just depends on what the team currently has.

 

[Blackjack200]

You need a good QB to win the superbowl in this league. Period. Look at the list of SB winning qbs over the last few years. Manning. Rodgers. Brees. Roethlisberger. Manning. Manning. The days of Trent Dilfer and a good defense winning the SB are over

At this point, teams will do anything to get a good QB.