RIAA at it again

[Phoenix86]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: VanillaH

Are you the kind of douche bag that parks across two parking spots because it's convenient?

I don't drive asswipe so you can be rest assured I would never do that. you obviously lack any reasoning to read what other people have been responding in this thread. It is not that we disregard law - just that we are all human beings and there are varying degrees of crime, and for some of those we would leave it up to the individual's own conscience and morals.

your comparisons are completely ballistic and does not relate to this lab assistant just watching a movie. what part of jaywalking did you not understand? of course I would call 911 if I saw someone mowing down people with a machinegun. are you a type to report a fire for little cigarette burn on your carpet you could put out by stomping? If there is one thing I agree with amused in this thread is that people like you are the ones that give a rise to nanny states. sounds like you are a big fundamentalist figure longing for a totalitarian society.

I have followed some of your posts before you changed your name to learn you are not worth my time arguing with, but now I know for sure what kind of twisted individual you reall are.

Twisted? Because I call the authorities when my neighbor's smoking burn pile is still smoking when he leaves his house? Or when I see someone slipping a CD into their jacket at a store? Or I mension something when I see someone parking in a no-parking spot or smoking in a no-smoking area?

wow, I must be really twisted to think that upholding rules is a bad thing. :roll:

You will be happier not worring about these little things in life. The sounds like a major source of stress with you...

 

[Ninepepper]

Hypothetical:

If the RIAA could snap their fingers and totally eliminate piracy tomorrow would itunes and others be selling single songs for $0.99 or less?.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Phoenix86
You will be happier not worring about these little things in life. The sounds like a major source of stress with you...

Possibly, but it's not going to happen. People are always going to be idiots, but shoving your head into the sand to ignore it just so you'll be a little happier isn't the way to solve anything.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Ninepepper
Hypothetical:

If the RIAA could snap their fingers and totally eliminate piracy tomorrow would itunes and others be selling single songs for $0.99 or less?.

NOPE!

 

[Conky]

Originally posted by: Ninepepper
Hypothetical:

If the RIAA could snap their fingers and totally eliminate piracy tomorrow would itunes and others be selling single songs for $0.99 or less?.

Heck, the prices would probably go up. :laugh:

 

[Ninepepper]

Originally posted by: Crazyfool

Originally posted by: Ninepepper
Hypothetical:

If the RIAA could snap their fingers and totally eliminate piracy tomorrow would itunes and others be selling single songs for $0.99 or less?.

Heck, the prices would probably go up. :laugh:

Exactly

Although that is not a valid argument to pirate, I think it might explain some of that feeling of entitlement that has been mentioned

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Crazyfool

Originally posted by: Nik
Twisted? Because I call the authorities when my neighbor's smoking burn pile is still smoking when he leaves his house? Or when I see someone slipping a CD into their jacket at a store? Or I mension something when I see someone parking in a no-parking spot or smoking in a no-smoking area?

wow, I must be really twisted to think that upholding rules is a bad thing. :roll:

Why do you have to be part of the "upholding of rules"? Wouldn't they let you be the hall monitor when you were a kid? :laugh:

As much as I hate to admit it, I can see where Nik's coming from. I see the way people drive and act every day, it's clear to me that the majority of people are selfish. I owe them nothing. I don't go around turning people in for crimes, but I don't fault Nik for doing it. Laws are not difficult to follow.

 

[Phoenix86]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Phoenix86
You will be happier not worring about these little things in life. The sounds like a major source of stress with you...

Possibly, but it's not going to happen. People are always going to be idiots, but shoving your head into the sand to ignore it just so you'll be a little happier isn't the way to solve anything.

No, it won't happen, but you smiled.

I'm not ignorant of the morons around me, I just don't let their lack of chromosomes give me an aneurysm. It's a subtle difference, but important.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
..their sales are going up despite of piracy. theres no reason to increase prices, they aren't taking mortal losses or actual loss of material. they may lose a potential sale, but they don't actually lose money like in physical goods. their prices have been too high for too long to begin with.

Not a single valid argument for theft.

i wasn't making one. i find their reaction excessive. sh*tting on your potential customers... bad move. remember if the record execs had their way, taping off the radio would have been illegal."theft". they've made it clear at every point how they think.

We all pay for theft, no matter what it is.

And I wouldn't want people getting free copies of my work product, either. I don;t blame them for trying to find a way to stop people from getting free copies off the radio. I would have done it too.

And so would you (if you actually sat down and thought about it objectively).

no, if you sat down and thought about it objectively you'd find how unjust it is that they can fine a person for pirating music far far more than a person who recklessly risks the lives of others on the road or probably many other violent or serious criminal infrations. what is it now? 150thousand a song? i cannot remember.

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: SampSon
This was an underground activity(trading software and music), then the masses got involved and got caught with their pants down. Then they complain when they get a lawsuit slapped on them. :roll:
They shouldn't be involved in such activities, they have no clue what they are doing, and I have very little sympathy for them.

That is the best statement I've heard yet regarding online file sharing.

Whenever I am fixing someone's computer, the question always seem to come up, "What are some good programs to use to download music?" I could name many, but I always just refer them to itunes. That's about as much as they should get involved with.

 

[tami]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: tami
downloading is NOT a crime -- it happens to be available, and she took advantage of it. what YOU did, however, is stupid and yes, for that, you're an idiot.

furthermore, did you get her fired because you were jealous that she was watching a movie at the time?

Acutally yes downloading is a crime. Granted it is not one they are going after right now.

what he did is NOT stupid. Karma is not going to bite him on the rear end. If anything karma caught up witht the women watching.

1)she downloads a movie (wich is against the law)
2) she watches it in FULL VIEW of anyone
3) she did it during work hours
4) got fired for it.

looks like karma caught up whith her.


Some of you are really amazing. Downloading music is thieft. I remember when they were even thinking about allowing people to download songs for $.99 (wich i think is fair) and most people said they would pay that. Now you guys are complaining its to much. sheesh.

I agree the RIAA sucks balls. They should have to get information on the person with proof before they sue. These blanket law suits should be outlawed. Also if they can't make money then they should go out of business like any other place does. This sueing everyone is out of control.

But i do not blame them for the suits. just wish they had to fallow the law like every other person does.

But anyway stop makeing excuses for the thieft. hell just admit you dont want to pay since you can get it for free. Stop saying its not against the law/ your rebeling against the RIAA/ etc they are all BS arguments/excuses.


Personally think $.99 a song to download music is great. i get to pick the songs i want $18 for a cd full of songs I want is worth it. I agree that the quality is crap. They just doing that to save on download rates. i wish they would increase the quality myself.

i respectfully disagree with you. i still think that downloading is not a crime.

the fact that there is media available for download is the problem. the fact that people take advantage of it by downloading the media is the result. you eliminate the problem, and you won't have such a consequence.

 

[CptFarlow]

Sharing is caring...F**K the RIAA!

No, I really don't care either way. But that was a funny t-shirt on www.tshirthell.com.

 

[lastig21]

I personally do not feel bad for the music industry. I've heard they are making huge amounts of money off of selling ringtones, and I think it is this forward thinking they should focus on for future profits instead of suing people and holding on to an outdated model. With ringtones, cheaper internet downloads, and cd's priced under the $10 mark I think the music industry would make more than enough revenue to pay their artists the money we Americans apparently feel they deserve. At the same rate consumers might not have such a negative feeling for them. I currently feel like I am being ripped off paying $15 to $20 for a cd with possibly 2 or 3 good songs.

 

[Robor]

I have about 250-300 CD's but I probably buy less than 5 CD's a year anymore. My DVD collection is even bigger but I'm not buying them the way I used to either. The reason? CD's cost too much for what you get and I hate the actions of the RIAA. As far as DVD's, I'm sick of the inductry putting out a standard version, then a deluxe version, then a directors cut, then a superbit. Plus, we're going to have HD or BlueRay soon. Why buy regular DVD's now?

One thing I should mention - I never buy a CD before sampling it (as in downloading for free or borrowing from a friend). I'm not paying $12 - $20 for a CD based off of one or two songs on the radio.

 

[PurdueRy]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
Oops! Maybe the RIAA will figure out sooner or later that people are going to continue to download regardless of how many people they file against. Maybe it's time to start blaming the current business model that causes the piracy instead of blaming the piracy...

They already sell single songs, and over the internet, too.

How else would they stop this? Give the music away?

That's about it. They'd have to give it away.

Music piracy is not about objections to business models. It is about a sense of entitlement and theft.

If I am going to pay $1 for a song, I want quality. Think about it, a CD costs what....$14 or so? There are say....14 tracks...thats $1 a track. I want a CD quality recording not some 128 kb/s compressed crap. If I am paying for it I want my money's worth. Sure that compressed MP3 might sound ok on some pair of headphones that came with the CD player, but when you start getting up into HT components and subwoofers, compression REALLY makes a song sound bad. I want a music service to start offering at LEAST 320kb/s

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: rleemhui
I want a music service to start offering at LEAST FLAC

Fixed

 

[aplefka]

Fvck the po-leece

 

[Babbles]

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: rleemhui
I want a music service to start offering at LEAST FLAC

Fixed

I would pay a bit over a dollar, I think, to get a FLAC recording.

 

[Sentinel]

i hate the RIAA

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: tami

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: tami
downloading is NOT a crime -- it happens to be available, and she took advantage of it. what YOU did, however, is stupid and yes, for that, you're an idiot.

furthermore, did you get her fired because you were jealous that she was watching a movie at the time?

Acutally yes downloading is a crime. Granted it is not one they are going after right now.

what he did is NOT stupid. Karma is not going to bite him on the rear end. If anything karma caught up witht the women watching.

1)she downloads a movie (wich is against the law)
2) she watches it in FULL VIEW of anyone
3) she did it during work hours
4) got fired for it.

looks like karma caught up whith her.


Some of you are really amazing. Downloading music is thieft. I remember when they were even thinking about allowing people to download songs for $.99 (wich i think is fair) and most people said they would pay that. Now you guys are complaining its to much. sheesh.

I agree the RIAA sucks balls. They should have to get information on the person with proof before they sue. These blanket law suits should be outlawed. Also if they can't make money then they should go out of business like any other place does. This sueing everyone is out of control.

But i do not blame them for the suits. just wish they had to fallow the law like every other person does.

But anyway stop makeing excuses for the thieft. hell just admit you dont want to pay since you can get it for free. Stop saying its not against the law/ your rebeling against the RIAA/ etc they are all BS arguments/excuses.


Personally think $.99 a song to download music is great. i get to pick the songs i want $18 for a cd full of songs I want is worth it. I agree that the quality is crap. They just doing that to save on download rates. i wish they would increase the quality myself.

i respectfully disagree with you. i still think that downloading is not a crime.

the fact that there is media available for download is the problem. the fact that people take advantage of it by downloading the media is the result. you eliminate the problem, and you won't have such a consequence.

it don't matter if you THINK downloading is not a crime. that does not change the fact that it is a crime. Ignorance of the law is not a excuse.

just because it is avalable does not mean you have to steal it. The fact that the odds on getting caught is extremly low (unless you just dumb) does not mean you have to steal it. The fact that the price for a store baught Cd is a ripoff does not mean you have to steal it. The fact that they encode it at a crappy rate does not mean you have to steal it.

Face it. there is no good excuse to steal the music. Thoug hi agree i wish they would figure out if they stoped makeing Cd's with 2 good songs and 12 filler crap then people would buy more (i know i would) and lower the cost to something reasonable ($18 for a cd? i only buy a few a year at that cost). The $.99/download is a good idea. i have got a about 15 of them myself. I really can't tell the diffrence between the crappy encode and the good so it does not really bother me (yeah i know there are some that can).

I'm not saying DON"T (though you shoulnd't). im just pointing out the Bs excuses of people. Everyone seems to think that they should get music for free and come up with a bunch of lame excuses. If you going to do it just admit it. everyone knows its thieft they just dont want to admit it heh

 

[ribbon13]

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: rleemhui
I want a music service to start offering at LEAST FLAC

Fixed

11/10

 

[Juno]

RIT?! :Q

 

[eshrai]

Originally posted by: Mathlete

Originally posted by: ViRGE

Originally posted by: Amused
The cause is the sense of entitlement. Blaming the music industry for people stealing their music is like blaming a woman for her own rape because she was wearing a short skirt.

People are stealing because they don't think it's wrong. They DO feel entitled to it. It's a cultural problem.

Amused, I hate to break your little <insert political spectrum here>-wing conspiracy theory, but it's not about entitlement. It just boils down to free music, why pay for it when you can get it for free? People don't feel entitled, they're thrifty.

They are thiefs. End of discussion. The real question we should be asking is why people don't have any morals. They feel it is wrong for the "man" to jack up the CD prices so I'll just steal them. What they fail to realize is that by stealing music they are actually making the price worse for the people that have some moral fiber and are paying for music.

I'm not sure I would agree with that. I think a lot of people who steal music from the internet don't buy CD's regularly anyway. I'm sure some people have switched from buying to stealing in this matter, but everyone who downloads music isn't contributing to increased CD costs. I remember when I was a kid people would record songs from the radio, similar to downloading music (only crappier quality ) It seems to me that the access to free music hasn't really changed (maybe variety), just the ability to track those who do get it free.

 

[Hossenfeffer]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
I think it is RIAA's problem to solve because they don't seem interested in providing a serious incentive for people to buy music online. Lower prices and higher quality would be tempting for people who are on the edge, but the current standard of $.99/track is too steep for average quality DRM-protected downloads.

And no, these silly lawsuits will make no significant impact on piracy. RIAA is going to soil their pants during this decade as broadband proliferation sees some significant increases within the US. Numbers can't be argued with, and they will only hurt themselves if they think their lawsuits will protect them as more and more households get broadband connections.

It sure as hell is gonna make a lot of people think twice before sharing music. Yeah, they're not going to get everyone, but they're trying to stem the nearly endless flow of the pirate river They're trying to alter the behavior that stems from some feeling of "deservitude" or entitlement. You're not entitled to something just because you found a way to get it without paying. While I hate the fact that they -are- doing the lawsuit thing, I imagine it has at least worked a bit in the "fight on piracy."

Expecting them to drop everything as far as their business model(s) is just assinine. It's a huge beast of a business, an enormous ball moving forward. You can't just expect it to stop and switch direction. You -can- however expect it to adapt. While I'd prefer it adapt a bit quicker, we are -slowly- seeing some alternatives out there. And no, you might not have some insanely high-quality rips available at the onset, that's fine. Make them know that you want them. Downloading/sharing the high-quality rips isn't exactly the best way to do that. All it equates to is "I can get this for free".

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: rleemhui

If I am going to pay $1 for a song, I want quality. Think about it, a CD costs what....$14 or so? There are say....14 tracks...thats $1 a track. I want a CD quality recording not some 128 kb/s compressed crap. If I am paying for it I want my money's worth. Sure that compressed MP3 might sound ok on some pair of headphones that came with the CD player, but when you start getting up into HT components and subwoofers, compression REALLY makes a song sound bad. I want a music service to start offering at LEAST 320kb/s

If you want them to offer 320kb/s files, write them a letter and tell them that you're not going to buy any music until they do. Then stop buying music. But that doesn't give you the right to steal it. It's theirs, they can offer it however they want. I'm sure people would love it if Honda offered a 300 HP Civic, but it's Honda's right to not do that just like it's the recording industry's right to offer their music in whatever format they want. Even if they only offered it in on 8 track tapes, that wouldn't give you the right to steal it. Complaining about the business model is just an excuse peole hide behind because they don't want to admit that they just plain don't want to pay for the music.

Edit:
I honestly couldn't care less if people steal music, it doesn't affect me one bit. What bugs me is that they make excuses and try to blame the RIAA, and the fault the RIAA for trying to protect their own interests. If you steal, at least have the balls to admit that it's because you just don't WANT to pay for it.