RIAA at it again

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: tfinch2

Originally posted by: Crazyfool

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: toekramp

Originally posted by: tfinch2
I wish everyone that pirates music/movies/software would be punished. I reported a lab assistant here on campus a few weeks ago. She was watching a pirated movie while on duty, you could see the tag of the rippers or whatever in the letterbox. She was fired that week.

and that makes you a cock

"He who stands for nothing, falls for anything."

If it's wrong, and you're caught doing it, it's always someone else's fault, isn't it. Or they're a jerk or something. :roll:

What if you were caught red-handed in a bank vault lifting bags of cash. Would you call the cop a cock for upholding the law? Probably, but that's because your kind are douche bags.

If you get caught, don't be a douche bag. Who ever turned you in did the right thing.

Nobody likes a snitch.

So if someone committed a crime and you knew who did it you wouldn't notify the authorities? :roll:

How bout you mind your own gawdamn business. You're like that nosey neighbor... always in everybody elses business.... You little weasel.... I hope you feel very proud of yourself.

 

[dartworth]

I miss allisolm's hot deal threads on CDRs and other media...

 

[knyghtbyte]

Originally posted by: RyanSengara

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
Oops! Maybe the RIAA will figure out sooner or later that people are going to continue to download regardless of how many people they file against. Maybe it's time to start blaming the current business model that causes the piracy instead of blaming the piracy...

They already sell single songs, and over the internet, too.

How else would they stop this? Give the music away?

That's about it. They'd have to give it away.

Music piracy is not about objections to business models. It is about a sense of entitlement and theft.

Yeah but if you really think about it, if you pay $1 per song or so, you'd still end up paying for the price of the entire album if you wanted all the songs.

I think that is the biggest issue, the fact that the songs individually or collectively aren't worth that much.

herein lies the problem.......so you dont value music yourself, i however do, also a lot of other people do, for me its something very important, i suffer arthritic problems that cause me constant pain and have done for 20 years now since i was 8 years old. To come home at the end of the day and listen to well recorded music, well reproduced on my hifi is a joy, a completely encompassing experience, and for maybe an hour or so before my dinner is ready i can lose the pain and wallow in the physically removed feeling of some orchestral, classical, jazz, dance, rock or whatever mustic i feel like. So to me i think i am happy to pay £10 (US$18) for a CD album, or a few more for a DVD-Audio album......
Its a luxury item, it isnt necessary, however it brings massive feeling of pleasure to a lot of people. To those it doesnt....if you think its too expensive dont buy it...simple.

 

[tfinch2]

Originally posted by: Crazyfool

Originally posted by: tfinch2

Originally posted by: Crazyfool

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: toekramp

Originally posted by: tfinch2
I wish everyone that pirates music/movies/software would be punished. I reported a lab assistant here on campus a few weeks ago. She was watching a pirated movie while on duty, you could see the tag of the rippers or whatever in the letterbox. She was fired that week.

and that makes you a cock

"He who stands for nothing, falls for anything."

If it's wrong, and you're caught doing it, it's always someone else's fault, isn't it. Or they're a jerk or something. :roll:

What if you were caught red-handed in a bank vault lifting bags of cash. Would you call the cop a cock for upholding the law? Probably, but that's because your kind are douche bags.

If you get caught, don't be a douche bag. Who ever turned you in did the right thing.

Nobody likes a snitch.

So if someone committed a crime and you knew who did it you wouldn't notify the authorities? :roll:

Nope, not my responsiblity to snitch people out.

And I respect that if that's what you feel. I'm not trying to change your moral views.

It doesn't bother me though when Tom, Dick, and Harry think I should have done something else. I did what I thought was the right thing to do. Think what you want of me, this is ATOT after all.

 

[arcenite]

Originally posted by: tfinch2

Originally posted by: Crazyfool

Originally posted by: tfinch2

Originally posted by: Crazyfool

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: toekramp

Originally posted by: tfinch2
I wish everyone that pirates music/movies/software would be punished. I reported a lab assistant here on campus a few weeks ago. She was watching a pirated movie while on duty, you could see the tag of the rippers or whatever in the letterbox. She was fired that week.

and that makes you a cock

"He who stands for nothing, falls for anything."

If it's wrong, and you're caught doing it, it's always someone else's fault, isn't it. Or they're a jerk or something. :roll:

What if you were caught red-handed in a bank vault lifting bags of cash. Would you call the cop a cock for upholding the law? Probably, but that's because your kind are douche bags.

If you get caught, don't be a douche bag. Who ever turned you in did the right thing.

Nobody likes a snitch.

So if someone committed a crime and you knew who did it you wouldn't notify the authorities? :roll:

Nope, not my responsiblity to snitch people out.

And I respect that if that's what you feel. I'm not trying to change your moral views.

It doesn't bother me though when Tom, Dick, and Harry think I should have done something else. I did what I thought was the right thing to do. Think what you want of me, this is ATOT after all.

Karma is a bitch. Getting someone fired for merely watching a movie is ridiculous. She was minding her own business, as you should have.

 

[FoBoT]

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[arcenite]

Originally posted by: FoBoT
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Arrrr Matey!!

 

[Dedpuhl]

Although I don't agree with the RIAA's tactics, they have a right to defend their copyrighted material(s).

 

[ViRGE]

Originally posted by: tfinch2

Originally posted by: Crazyfool

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: toekramp

Originally posted by: tfinch2
I wish everyone that pirates music/movies/software would be punished. I reported a lab assistant here on campus a few weeks ago. She was watching a pirated movie while on duty, you could see the tag of the rippers or whatever in the letterbox. She was fired that week.

and that makes you a cock

"He who stands for nothing, falls for anything."

If it's wrong, and you're caught doing it, it's always someone else's fault, isn't it. Or they're a jerk or something. :roll:

What if you were caught red-handed in a bank vault lifting bags of cash. Would you call the cop a cock for upholding the law? Probably, but that's because your kind are douche bags.

If you get caught, don't be a douche bag. Who ever turned you in did the right thing.

Nobody likes a snitch.

So if someone committed a crime and you knew who did it you wouldn't notify the authorities? :roll:

Your place of work is not the proper authority.

 

[ultimatebob]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
I'm trynig to explain why I think the stealing occurs and a lot of you guys are just saying 'stealing is wrong'. That doesn't help the situation imho.

Yes, it does. Peer pressure and public outrage are far better keepers of the peace than laws, lawsuits and cops.

Morality is best enforced by societal pressure.

The "nod-nod, wink-wink, say no more" attitude is what is fueling intellectual property theft more than anything else. People know it's illegal, but do not feel it's immoral. They feel entitled and justified by silly arguments such as yours.

Do you honestly consider stealing music off the internet to be "immoral"? Most of the big artists that people are pirating are still making millions off their albums, so I don't think that anyone is really being hurt here.

I mean, come on.... Am I really supposed to feel sorry for "poor" 50 Cent when he can't afford to buy his 6th Bentley yet? Yeah, I'm sure that he's REALLY hurting because a little music piracy stopped his album from going quadruple platnum as fast as he wanted it to. Puhleeze. :roll:

 

[knyghtbyte]

I remember first sharing music over ICQ.....not sure if napster was around when i first had ICQ, dont think so......

That tho was just the same as copying a tape of a mates tape.......which was still by definition wrong. However, when ICQing a song it was usually with friends in the US who didnt know the artists i listened to, and to some extend vice-versa...i'd send this girl a song and say what do you think, and she would either delete it if not, or if she liked it go and order the CD, which helps increase the sales for the artist....*shrugs*

btw, one side arguement on the 'artist doesnt get the money, the middlemen do' in regards to CD sales and costs etc, is that the more money that surrounds the world of music, the more money artists get from appearances, whether playing, or simply being social (ie opening shops/malls or whatever). This however does ah heck all for Beethoven who is dead......lol

 

[Reckoner]

Originally posted by: tfinch2

Originally posted by: Crazyfool

Originally posted by: tfinch2

Originally posted by: Crazyfool

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: toekramp

Originally posted by: tfinch2
I wish everyone that pirates music/movies/software would be punished. I reported a lab assistant here on campus a few weeks ago. She was watching a pirated movie while on duty, you could see the tag of the rippers or whatever in the letterbox. She was fired that week.

and that makes you a cock

"He who stands for nothing, falls for anything."

If it's wrong, and you're caught doing it, it's always someone else's fault, isn't it. Or they're a jerk or something. :roll:

What if you were caught red-handed in a bank vault lifting bags of cash. Would you call the cop a cock for upholding the law? Probably, but that's because your kind are douche bags.

If you get caught, don't be a douche bag. Who ever turned you in did the right thing.

Nobody likes a snitch.

So if someone committed a crime and you knew who did it you wouldn't notify the authorities? :roll:

Nope, not my responsiblity to snitch people out.

And I respect that if that's what you feel. I'm not trying to change your moral views.

It doesn't bother me though when Tom, Dick, and Harry think I should have done something else. I did what I thought was the right thing to do. Think what you want of me, this is ATOT after all.

Out of curiosity, do you still get along with your classmates/co-workers? Or does any prior conversation between them cease to exist once you enter the room?

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: ultimatebob

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
I'm trynig to explain why I think the stealing occurs and a lot of you guys are just saying 'stealing is wrong'. That doesn't help the situation imho.

Yes, it does. Peer pressure and public outrage are far better keepers of the peace than laws, lawsuits and cops.

Morality is best enforced by societal pressure.

The "nod-nod, wink-wink, say no more" attitude is what is fueling intellectual property theft more than anything else. People know it's illegal, but do not feel it's immoral. They feel entitled and justified by silly arguments such as yours.

Do you honestly consider stealing music off the internet to be "immoral"? Most of the big artists that people are pirating are still making millions off their albums, so I don't think that anyone is really being hurt here.

I mean, come on.... Am I really supposed to feel sorry for "poor" 50 Cent when he can't afford to buy his 6th Bentley yet? Yeah, I'm sure that he's REALLY hurting because a little music piracy stopped his album from going quadruple platnum as fast as he wanted it to. Puhleeze. :roll:

So theft is OK so long as the relative difference in wealth between thief and victim is large?

So I can bring a homeless man to your home and let him pick out whatever he wants because, well, you're just so filthy rich compared to him, right?

This is why morality can not be relative. If you can justify theft because the person you are stealing from is so much wealthier than you, than someone who is poorer than you can justify stealing from you.

In short, your argument does nothing but excuse theft. In the long run, all you're doing is endangering your own property and rights.

Too bad you're too myopic to see this.

 

[Phoenix86]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Phoenix86

Originally posted by: AmusedIt's OK to share, but not to distribute on a large scale. Making a copyrighted song available for DL to everyone on the web is illegal distribution.

Shades of gray. How many people can I share with until it's "large scale"?

1, 10, 100, 1,000,000?

It's crap like this that killed the "reasonable speed for conditions" law in Montana.

Rather than use common sense, people have to have every little detail spelled out for them. It's crap like this that creates nanny-states.

I like to know that what I'm doing is legal or not, before I do it (I just like to know what I'm risking). Asking for a clear ruling does NOT create nanny-state. The unclear legality creates confusion.

You can see how if I setup a private site for friends (people I actually know/trust, a short list) to share MP3s. However, if the RIAA finds out about it, I could be in for a headache.

 

[Phoenix86]

Originally posted by: ViRGE

Originally posted by: tfinch2

Originally posted by: Crazyfool

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: toekramp

Originally posted by: tfinch2
I wish everyone that pirates music/movies/software would be punished. I reported a lab assistant here on campus a few weeks ago. She was watching a pirated movie while on duty, you could see the tag of the rippers or whatever in the letterbox. She was fired that week.

and that makes you a cock

"He who stands for nothing, falls for anything."

If it's wrong, and you're caught doing it, it's always someone else's fault, isn't it. Or they're a jerk or something. :roll:

What if you were caught red-handed in a bank vault lifting bags of cash. Would you call the cop a cock for upholding the law? Probably, but that's because your kind are douche bags.

If you get caught, don't be a douche bag. Who ever turned you in did the right thing.

Nobody likes a snitch.

So if someone committed a crime and you knew who did it you wouldn't notify the authorities? :roll:

Your place of work is not the proper authority.

No, and you know why he didn't go there? Because THEY wouldn't have done anything about. Now, if the cops, won't arrest somone for this crime, why do you fvcking care (tfinch2)?

But, no, you *had* to do something. Thank god their employer cares enough to can their ass for it. Also, I'm glad we have moral monitors like you, what would I become without you?

edit: BTW, I don't think tfinch2 actually did this, but if you did, you are a class A Fvcker.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: KPSHAH316

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: purbeast0
i have a question.

why aren't the RIAA and MPAA going after the newsgroups? i don't use them myself at all but I know people who do, and stuff that is released in the 'scene' is on the newsgroups within hours usually, and the newsgroups are very open to the public. how come the newsgroups dont get any attention?

Because they know there will always be people who will find a way to pirate. They want to go after the more accessible methods, the ones the bulk of the people use to pirate. They do have people on the inside in the "release groups" and whatnot, and they have shut some down.

however are using newsgroups illegal technically? you're not uploading.

Downloading is as illegal as uploading, the RIAA has just been going after uploaders so far.

 

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: arcenite

Originally posted by: tfinch2

Originally posted by: Crazyfool

Originally posted by: tfinch2

Originally posted by: Crazyfool

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: toekramp

Originally posted by: tfinch2
I wish everyone that pirates music/movies/software would be punished. I reported a lab assistant here on campus a few weeks ago. She was watching a pirated movie while on duty, you could see the tag of the rippers or whatever in the letterbox. She was fired that week.

and that makes you a cock

"He who stands for nothing, falls for anything."

If it's wrong, and you're caught doing it, it's always someone else's fault, isn't it. Or they're a jerk or something. :roll:

What if you were caught red-handed in a bank vault lifting bags of cash. Would you call the cop a cock for upholding the law? Probably, but that's because your kind are douche bags.

If you get caught, don't be a douche bag. Who ever turned you in did the right thing.

Nobody likes a snitch.

So if someone committed a crime and you knew who did it you wouldn't notify the authorities? :roll:

Nope, not my responsiblity to snitch people out.

And I respect that if that's what you feel. I'm not trying to change your moral views.

It doesn't bother me though when Tom, Dick, and Harry think I should have done something else. I did what I thought was the right thing to do. Think what you want of me, this is ATOT after all.

Karma is a bitch. Getting someone fired for merely watching a movie is ridiculous. She was minding her own business, as you should have.

Holy crap I agree with Arcenite.

 

[Ausm]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
Oops! Maybe the RIAA will figure out sooner or later that people are going to continue to download regardless of how many people they file against. Maybe it's time to start blaming the current business model that causes the piracy instead of blaming the piracy...

They already sell single songs, and over the internet, too.

How else would they stop this? Give the music away?

That's about it. They'd have to give it away.

Music piracy is not about objections to business models. It is about a sense of entitlement and theft.

I agree with your thinking but I also believe that these online music stores music sux in quality compared to a quality rip. I think alot of people continue to download music because of the lack of quality in Store bought rips.

Ausm

 

[ch33zw1z]

the RIAA can suck it. they target people who dl popular music on public networks, which leads me to my next question...isn't Internet2 pretty costly to join? is the RIAA that bent on stopping people that they're shelling out that much cash to catch a measly 405 people. what a bunch of morons!! i laugh in they're general direction.

 

[tami]

Originally posted by: tfinch2

Originally posted by: Crazyfool

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: toekramp

Originally posted by: tfinch2
I wish everyone that pirates music/movies/software would be punished. I reported a lab assistant here on campus a few weeks ago. She was watching a pirated movie while on duty, you could see the tag of the rippers or whatever in the letterbox. She was fired that week.

and that makes you a cock

"He who stands for nothing, falls for anything."

If it's wrong, and you're caught doing it, it's always someone else's fault, isn't it. Or they're a jerk or something. :roll:

What if you were caught red-handed in a bank vault lifting bags of cash. Would you call the cop a cock for upholding the law? Probably, but that's because your kind are douche bags.

If you get caught, don't be a douche bag. Who ever turned you in did the right thing.

Nobody likes a snitch.

So if someone committed a crime and you knew who did it you wouldn't notify the authorities? :roll:

downloading is NOT a crime -- it happens to be available, and she took advantage of it. what YOU did, however, is stupid and yes, for that, you're an idiot.

furthermore, did you get her fired because you were jealous that she was watching a movie at the time?

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: ultimatebob

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
I'm trynig to explain why I think the stealing occurs and a lot of you guys are just saying 'stealing is wrong'. That doesn't help the situation imho.

Yes, it does. Peer pressure and public outrage are far better keepers of the peace than laws, lawsuits and cops.

Morality is best enforced by societal pressure.

The "nod-nod, wink-wink, say no more" attitude is what is fueling intellectual property theft more than anything else. People know it's illegal, but do not feel it's immoral. They feel entitled and justified by silly arguments such as yours.

Do you honestly consider stealing music off the internet to be "immoral"?

You're talking to a guy that feels making a tape from off the air (radio) is a major crime.

I'm sure he would also feel you are committing a major crime back in the days when people listened to the latest songs with a pair of headphones in the music stores.



No access to music for you.

 

[SunnyD]

What I want to know is what the hell the RIAA was doing on a private research network? Granted, checking for copyright theft I suppose could be considered private research...

 

[ultimatebob]

Originally posted by: SunnyD
What I want to know is what the hell the RIAA was doing on a private research network? Granted, checking for copyright theft I suppose could be considered private research...

A snitch like tfinch2 probably warned them about what was going on, and gave them evidence for them to request a sopena for the activity logs from the colleges in question. Or, one of the colleges might have "volunteered" the information under threat of a lawsuit. The article doesn't say, though.

 

[intogamer]

:roll:

 

[Sunbird]

Bah! Why doesn't RIAA and MPAA try to get the courts to ban computers entirely? Then this problem wouldn't exist to any great extent.