Richland & Kabini rumours

[piesquared]

Well well, it looks like IntEl has a serious problem on their hands.

 

[SiliconWars]

Temash will not be in a Surface Pro 2. It always the same rumours isnt it? Apple didnt go with the super good APUs either. It was else a done deal!

Of course it will be. M$ messed up - nobody wants an expensive tablet with 4 hr battery life and that's why intel is out next round.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Of course it will be. M$ messed up - nobody wants an expensive tablet with 4 hr battery life and that's why intel is out next round.

Thats a shame then since it will be Haswell powered.

 

[SiliconWars]

Thats a shame then since it will be Haswell powered.

It really won't be. M$ needs volume for their tablets and although Haswell might end up in some stupidly expensive model, that's as good as it will get. There's simply no way intel can provide the cpu's for surface and ultrabooks at the same time.

Haswell will never make a decent tablet chip. Too expensive, poor battery life...it's just not going to cut it vs the true low power APU's.

 

[SiliconWars]

Oh btw, this is for you Nemesis -

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/mobile...i_and_Temash_Low_Power_APUs_This_Quarter.html

 

[Nemesis 1]

Oh btw, this is for you Nemesis -

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/mobile...i_and_Temash_Low_Power_APUs_This_Quarter.html

Ya I read it the other day . Took with grain of salt as this is AMD we are talking here.
You see that its expected to beat intel last generation of atom. At CES if it shown to the public we should hear how many design wins it gets, If its shown behind closed doors that will be interesting . Can't wait for next week . Who shows whos first . Intel needs to let Amd give its behind closed door session than Intel can do theirs . I just don't see why you think Temash will outperform intels silvermont . I understand the wanting of this . But for AMD to actually pull it off . Is another matter all together. I believe in intel. AMD has given me zero reason to believe anything that they say. Fact is I was the Biggest ATI fanboy in this forum . Because of how AMD did the BD hype I won't touch an ATI/AMD gpu . I real happy with my NV cards.

 

[SiliconWars]

I just don't see why you think Temash will outperform intels silvermont.

Maybe because Brazos outperforms the current Atoms at the same TDP - heavily on single threaded cpu, slightly on multithreaded cpu and massively on graphics. As those are the two closest chips, and the successors, we have to both upcoming chips...the real question is why would anyone assume that intel would turn this around?

 

[MightyMalus]

Any word on memory speeds and amount supported?

Wondering how a 4C Kabini would do in gaming. Thoughts?

 

[Abwx]

Because of how AMD did the BD hype I won't touch an ATI/AMD gpu . I real happy with my NV cards.

Given how poor was Atom or how much hyped Larabee you shouldnt touch intels CPUs..

Seriously , you are completely out of track....

 

[Nemesis 1]

So your saying that a brazo in games is better than the HD4000 . Thats what your saying. No it isn't even close. We both understand a 10 watt chip doesn't belong in Tablets of the IB type . haswell with soix is a differant story . The thing you not getting MS isn't the same company it was 5 years ago . They no longer control the x86 market . When intel went to apple the hand writing was clear. Intel teaming up with motarola (google ) on phones and tablets further dissolves the wintel alliance. MS world is crumbling . Its about time to.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Given how poor was Atom or how much hyped Larabee you shouldnt touch intels CPUs..

Seriously , you are completely out of track....

I didn't even know about atom in 08 until it was released . The larrabbee thing almost did it for me. Except for 1 small fact Even tho Intel was tring to do a GPU it was also looking for a co processor to fight off nv . Looks like they succeeded. I expect the 4th qt results for intel to be higher than 3rd qt . But at same time I think AMD looses more . They won't have the GF core payoff . But the sales of products will likely be less. Intel in the second qt of 2013 should be record sells maybe the first qt . As i understand it Intel can't produce Knights corner fast enough as system builders dropped fermi and went knights corner . Isn't just like intel to turn failure into success. Your attacks on The orginal atom are groundless . Intel tried something it caught on . Anyone who wants can go back to 08 and read about it . Intel did everthing correct but 1 flaw. They committed to five years with an inorder 2 issue cpu . That was not smart . But it gave intel a foundation to implament Soc . So Atom as I see it was susseccful as it could possiably be . If The next Atom Silvermont bitch slaps everyone else in phones/ tablets and server history will show it was that orginal inorder 2 issue core that made it all possiable . If Airmont in 2014/2015 is only 15 watts and can beat the 6 core PH . That is something special from a small core . All this from that crappy first inorder dual issue core . History will show your full of it.

 

[MightyMalus]

Nemesis 1, alright, I'll bite. Because I want to upgrade my laptop or get a small PC.

This HD4000 you speak off, which cpu are you refering to? Cause all the tests I seen of Trinity vs HD4000, the HD4K ends up loosing. Do consider the price range.

 

[SiliconWars]

If you look hard enough you might find a massively cpu-bound game or two where HD4000 actually beats Trinity but in general Trinity is twice as fast at any given TDP.

 

[MightyMalus]

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-HD-Graphics-4600.86106.0.html
Seems to offer a 20% improvement over HD4K. But the price, that damn price.

Hence, my interest in Kabini but probably Richland. Is Kaveri supposed to use the same FM2 socket? I know I heard something about a different chipset coming out tho.
Need something easily upgradable. I'm not sure if one can "upgrade" Kabini.

 

[SevenThirty]

So your saying that a brazo in games is better than the HD4000 . Thats what your saying. No it isn't even close. We both understand a 10 watt chip doesn't belong in Tablets of the IB type . haswell with soix is a differant story . The thing you not getting MS isn't the same company it was 5 years ago . They no longer control the x86 market . When intel went to apple the hand writing was clear. Intel teaming up with motarola (google ) on phones and tablets further dissolves the wintel alliance. MS world is crumbling . Its about time to.

HD4000? Why are you comparing a low voltage-low cost IGP to a 1000 pound IGP?

Brazos is ~30% better than Intel HD graphics in sandy pentium/celeron 35W. This is with a higher thermal envelope, and therefore a faster performing CPU.

Why do you keep bringing HD4000 up? Do you understand why intel provides a low base frequency with a high turbo for their graphics cards? It's to confuse people into spouting HD4000 all over the place, when LV and non i7 parts will clearly have much weaker performance due to lower thermal headroom. Just because it overheats for 30 seconds in a benchmark doesn't make it usable.

Saying HD4000 means absolutely _nothing_ because it says nothing about the frequency of the graphics core, nor the amount of L3 cache it gets to leach off of from the CPU, nor the CPU pairing even. HD4000 is only usable on high end 35W and 45W 1000.00 pound laptop CPUs because of this naming decision. Hard to understand?

AMD is not at fault for intel's intentionally confusing naming decisions, but if you're going to make comparisons, why not use something more precise instead of a useless HD4000 name.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Maybe because Brazos outperforms the current Atoms at the same TDP - heavily on single threaded cpu, slightly on multithreaded cpu and massively on graphics. As those are the two closest chips, and the successors, we have to both upcoming chips...the real question is why would anyone assume that intel would turn this around?

Do you have proof that brazo beats current Atom 2 core 32nm . If you have a link please share.

 

[Nemesis 1]

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-HD-Graphics-4600.86106.0.html
Seems to offer a 20% improvement over HD4K. But the price, that damn price.

Hence, my interest in Kabini but probably Richland. Is Kaveri supposed to use the same FM2 socket? I know I heard something about a different chipset coming out tho.
Need something easily upgradable. I'm not sure if one can "upgrade" Kabini.

So your not interested in the 40 eu haswell gpu . Is this correct . Thats great everyone should buy what they want , However linking to an article that mentions the graphics than list the moble tdp and doesn't adderess the g3 graphics core is a hachet job on intel releases and that is a fact, no one knows how many EUs as intel hasn't said but they have talked about the g3 core that your article avoids at all cost .

 

[SevenThirty]

While the throttling of the CPU isn't really noticeable during daily use, the performance of the Intel HD Graphics 4000 GPU does not even remotely reach the levels we normally see. We recorded only 293 points for 3DMark 11 and 830 points for the 3DMark Vantage benchmark (performance preset) - about 50 to 70 percent below the values we have come to expect. The reason for the substantial difference is throttling yet again: the GPU doesn't even come close to approaching its maximum clock speed of 1050 Mhz. The net result is that the graphics performance of the GPU is even lower than the one of the predecessor HD Graphics 3000.

40 EU, it's not going to matter. It'll still be throttled for something sub 18W. Why bother bringing it up?

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Asus-VivoBook-S200E-Subnotebook.85787.0.html

 

[Idontcare]

You've heard the rumours that Temash is in Microsoft's Surface Pro, right?

That will be great news for AMD if they can deliver.

I also remember hearing a rumor that Llano was in Apple MacBook Air too...but then reality got in the way. :|

AMD failed to provide 'Llano' chip for Apple's MacBook Air because of faulty parts

Former AMD employees revealed that Apple gave its "Llano" chip a "close look" for a new MacBook Air model last year, but ultimately decided not to go with the processor because too many of its parts were faulty, according to a new report.

 

[MightyMalus]

So your not interested in the 40 eu haswell gpu . Is this correct . Thats great everyone should buy what they want , However linking to an article that mentions the graphics than list the moble tdp and doesn't adderess the g3 graphics core is a hachet job on intel releases and that is a fact, no one knows how many EUs as intel hasn't said but they have talked about the g3 core that your article avoids at all cost .

You avoided my question above, which was open to your specific suggestion.

To be respectful, unlike you. Am I interested on the 40EU GT3? Yea, sounds neat and "high-end". Cost? And can I upgrade later?

Cause right now I could get an A10-5800K for cheap, then put Richland on it, which will compete with GT2 and GT3 and "maybe" also Kaveri later on. For...less than $200, each cpu upgrade. I don't care about number crunching, but playable games and video streaming for the cheap, yes.

And AMD delivered twice. Now I just need to see the info, real information, about what Intel brings for gaming in Atom or cheap Haswell. That's what I would like from you. Information, not just fan-based comments.

Here you go -> Cheap, Game capable, Upgradable. Laptop(<$800) or Small PC form(<$600). Go for it!

 

[Abwx]

Hard to understand?

Yet , the intel part is a 55W SKU compared to a 35W Trinity....

Really great this HD400?0....

 

[SiliconWars]

That will be great news for AMD if they can deliver.

I also remember hearing a rumor that Llano was in Apple MacBook Air too...but then reality got in the way. :|

There's little reason to think that AMD won't deliver Temash in the numbers that are required. TSMC's 28nm is proven and it's a tiny chip. Had it been glofo then maybe I'd be worried.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Nemesis 1, alright, I'll bite. Because I want to upgrade my laptop or get a small PC.

This HD4000 you speak off, which cpu are you refering to? Cause all the tests I seen of Trinity vs HD4000, the HD4K ends up loosing. Do consider the price range.

Price is not a consideration in anything I do in life . Quality however is . Looking at IVB and trinity benchmarks when trinity was released not so smart . Go find a recent review HD4000 is a lot closer to trinity now than it was at that time . Its really close when you get down to low power Intel Hd4000 is actually faster . Haswell is the chip I want to see benchmarked , As I haven't seen one . Nor did I expect to see one . Robert told me long ago . I lost out because of big mouth . He did however deliver big time at xmas .
Haswell I really don't know what to expect . If AMD or NV could deliver a good GPU that actually is 50 % faster than last generation Haswell will prove its value in gaming with high end cards . I was actually hoping for no more gpu discrete with Haswell . Not quit good enough I am afraid . Haswell is likely my last personnal build for self . But if your in the market don't listen to others , Buy what you want based on your usage . If its a gaming rig intel NV all the way with a couple of SSD in raid O with fast memory low timing and go . If casual gaming wait for haswell or AMD . Trinity isn't good enough no matter what the fanbois say . Go to utube key in haswell game test . its pretty good but not high end gaming I am typing on a sandy bridge that cost vary little to build . My IVB gamer . The case alone no hardware which includes a part like my avatar . Just the case is $3800 thats air brush art over a custom paint and includes the rad and other custom pieces like my avatar , I really like PCs . It brings a calm to my world. I am old and money in these amounts means little to me. Compared to my Modified race car my son pilots these pcs are cheap and really easy to work on.

 

[SevenThirty]

Yet , the intel part is a 55W SKU compared to a 35W Trinity....

Really great this HD400?0....

Ah yes, that one used the 55W XM part, even more laughable.

But HD4000 would be great with a 10W thermal design envelope, only 3MB L3 to suckle on, and a gimped CPU costing 4 times as much. Some guy on the internet said so. Therefore, Tamesh/Kabini is horrible and we should stop talking about it. D:

 

[Idontcare]

There's little reason to think that AMD won't deliver Temash in the numbers that are required. TSMC's 28nm is proven and it's a tiny chip. Had it been glofo then maybe I'd be worried.

I was under the impression that per AMD's most recently negotiated WSA for 2013, all 28nm APUs are required to be produced at GloFo.

Did they get an exemption for Tamesh?