Richland & Kabini rumours

[podspi]

Do we have any updated info on temash support for connected standby?

Was playing with a Surface Pro a few days ago, and while standby-wakeup cycles were very good (for x86) it was still slow and clunky compared to an ARM or Clover Trail-based machine (not to mention to background syncing).

It's a small thing, but I think it is pretty important. I can't wait for this technology to 'trickle up'.

 

[Abwx]

Some alleged Richland benches to be taken with a few grains of salt
given the source , but anyway thanks to Invité_surprise from Hfr for this find...

http://www.obr-hardware.com/2013/02/some-news-from-amd-apu-world.html

 

[AtenRa]

Yeap i was looking at them earlier, 6800K is ~10% higher than 5800K.

 

[Abwx]

On second thoughts i wondered if he didnt simply use the datas AMD
displayed at CES but there s others Piledrivers models as well.

 

[inf64]

According to various reviews,5800K scores higher in Productivity subtest of Pcmark(~4400pts). Maybe that's why they didn't include it in the list ?
I don't know why though, 6800K has noticeably higher stock and Turbo clock.

 

[mrmt]

According to various reviews,5800K scores higher in Productivity subtest of Pcmark(~4400pts). Maybe that's why they didn't include it in the list ?
I don't know why though, 6800K has noticeably higher stock and Turbo clock.

The question I'd like to ask is whether AMD is exceeding their own specs as they did with the 8350.

 

[NTMBK]

According to various reviews,5800K scores higher in Productivity subtest of Pcmark(~4400pts). Maybe that's why they didn't include it in the list ?
I don't know why though, 6800K has noticeably higher stock and Turbo clock.

The productivity test is probably highly dependent upon storage speeds. Given that OBR isn't nearly professional enough to state the rest of the hardware configuration was used on those benchmarks, they could well have a HDD not an SSD.

 

[Abwx]

I guess that we couldnt expect more from a guy that say on his site
to not buy AMD stock below the 2$ mark......

 

[Asterox]

Some alleged Richland benches to be taken with a few grains of salt
given the source , but anyway thanks to Invité_surprise from Hfr for this find...

http://www.obr-hardware.com/2013/02/some-news-from-amd-apu-world.html

These two models are not Richland/Trinity APU 2.0, these are Kabini APU Mobile.

 

[Abwx]

Thanks for the hint..
So the A6 5357 could be the quad core version
if ever the 5XXX scheme is partly devoted to this CPU.?..

 

[AtenRa]

The question I'd like to ask is whether AMD is exceeding their own specs as they did with the 8350.

And what specs they exceeded on the FX8350 ??

 

[ShintaiDK]

And what specs they exceeded on the FX8350 ??

Power Consumption as IDC already proved.

 

[Asterox]

Thanks for the hint..
So the A6 5357M could be the quad core version
if ever the 5XXX scheme is partly devoted to this CPU.?..

I'm not sure Quad or Dual Core but that's Richland / Trinity APU 2.0 Mobile.

When it comes to A6-5200 Kabini APU it should be a Quad-Core model, Kabini APU A4-5000 that model probably has two Jaguar CPU cores.

 

[NTMBK]

Power Consumption as IDC already proved.

I thought that IDC's number also included north & southbridge power consumption? I may well be wrong though.

 

[Abwx]

Power Consumption as IDC already proved.

I ll mark this post as a deliberate try to mislead people
using a review that doesnt say so since no separate
measurement of CPU and MB consumption were made
and you know it.

Find us the numbers in the said review that would
support your claim...

 

[Abwx]

I'm not sure Quad or Dual Core but that's Richland / Trinity APU 2.0 Mobile.

When it comes to A6-5200 Kabini APU it should be a Quad-Core model, Kabini APU A4-5000 that model probably has two Jaguar CPU cores.

True that the model numbering doesnt help and the benches
are not discriminatory enough , i guess we ll know better
in a few months or perhaps weeks if there s another leak
to compare with.

 

[ShintaiDK]

I ll mark this post as a deliberate try to mislead people
using a review that doesnt say so since no separate
measurement of CPU and MB consumption were made
and you know it.

Find us the numbers in the said review that would
support your claim...

I am quite sure its covered in these 2 threads:
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2289809
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2285799

 

[AtenRa]

Power Consumption as IDC already proved.

Datasheets normally contain the thermal design power (TDP), which is the maximum amount of power the cooling system in a computer is required to dissipate. Both Intel and Advanced Micro Devices (AMD) have defined TDP as the maximum power consumption for thermally significant periods running worst-case non-synthetic workloads. Thus, TDP is not the actual maximum power of the processor.

So again, what specs have they exceeded ??

 

[Piroko]

These two models are not Richland/Trinity APU 2.0, these are Kabini APU Mobile.

That's double the E-350 score if true. Not bad, especially if they can keep the 18W TDP.

And @ Richland score - We still have two variables:
1. Is the mobile chip still 35W TDP? If yes, then again not bad.
2. Haswell performance of course. Until then I'm mildly impressed.

 

[Asterox]

That's double the E-350 score if true. Not bad, especially if they can keep the 18W TDP.

And @ Richland score - We still have two variables:
1. Is the mobile chip still 35W TDP? If yes, then again not bad.
2. Haswell performance of course. Until then I'm mildly impressed.

Kabini APU A6-5200 has 15W TDP, there is nothing strange Bobcat E-350 APU/VLIW5 GPU/40nm chip vs A6-5200/GCN GPU/28nm SoC.

 

[mrmt]

Power Consumption as IDC already proved.

Power consumption and TDP.

That email from the MSI engineer is conclusive:

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=34588633&postcount=24

Hi Dan,

According to RD engineers from our HQ,

1. AMD has claimed that the FX-8350 to be 125W. However, during our internal testing, when the usage of CPU reaches 100% through Prime 95 for a while, the power consumption can exceed 125W and reaches 140W. With such condition on the 970A-G46, the high amount of power draw also causes the MOSFET to exceed its spec and will overheat.

This is nothing but a testament of how AMD cares for their consumers. The same server SKU is limited to 3.5 GHZ.

Ed: Wrong above, the comparable server SKU has 500 less MHZ but only 10W less in TDP. Obviously 8350 at 125W is misleading claim from AMD.

 

[Olikan]

Kabini APU A6-5200 has 15W TDP, there is nothing strange Bobcat E-350 APU/VLIW5 GPU/40nm chip vs A6-5200/GCN GPU/28nm SoC.

15W TDP and so close to an i7 3770k
it's single channel?

what a little monster...

 

[AtenRa]

This is nothing but a testament of how AMD cares for their consumers. The same server SKU is limited to 3.5 GHZ.

Why didnt you quote the entire part ??? Spreading FUD are we ??

2. We had tested using 3DMark and it did not cause throttling. Throttling only happens when the loading on a 125W CPU usage is heavy by the use of heavy burn-in tools such as Prime 95/OCCT, and such testing methods are not standard usage scenario or practical.

And again as i have quoted before, TDP is not the higher power consumption of the CPU,

MSI should of know that.

Datasheets normally contain the thermal design power (TDP), which is the maximum amount of power the cooling system in a computer is required to dissipate. Both Intel and Advanced Micro Devices (AMD) have defined TDP as the maximum power consumption for thermally significant periods running worst-case non-synthetic workloads. Thus, TDP is not the actual maximum power of the processor.

 

[AtenRa]

15W TDP and so close to an i7 3770k
it's single channel?

what a little monster...

If im not mistaken, Kabini has a dual Channel memory Controller.

 

[Tuna-Fish]

what a little monster...

Yep. Frankly, I think that the Bobcat line is now much better in it's segment than the BD line is in it's. I wonder if they will make a "tons-of-bobcats-on-a-chip" server CPU? I think that should be pretty nice for web serving/other such parallelizable loads.