Richland & Kabini rumours

[SocketF]

If im not mistaken, Kabini has a dual Channel memory Controller.

I think you are mistaken, some people mis-interpretated a quote talking about 2 memory devices (i.e. 2 RAM modules per channel), with 2 memory channels.
But the source was unofficial anyways, so there is still a small possibility for dual channel.

15W TDP and so close to an i7 3770k

Well at least close to the 3770k's GPU.

 

[Abwx]

I am quite sure its covered in these 2 threads:
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2289809
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2285799

You are quite sure but still only providing a link to the a page top....

What is sure is that you dont know nothing , just
keeping on your usual agenda , to the point that
i m wondering if you are actualy paid for..

 

[mrmt]

Why didnt you quote the entire part ??? Spreading FUD are we ??

I didn't quote because the text would be too long, and I posted a link for the entire message. I guess it's too much for your analytical capabilities to come with an hypothesis on why the 8350 is the only 125W part that throttles down on that board.

 

[Abwx]

I didn't quote because the text would be too long, and I posted a link for the entire message. I guess it's too much for your analytical capabilities to come with an hypothesis on why the 8350 is the only 125W part that throttles down on that board.

Still with your spiraling logic?...

Intel sell CPUs that can go all the way to 45 or even 55W
while being 35W TDP yet i never saw you saying the same
as with AMD in this respect...

At the end , all this bad faith is just tiring.

 

[Ventanni]

Are they really using an A-Series naming scheme for Kabini/Temash?

Armchair general moment:

C-Series = Kabini/Temash APUs (ULP, LP)
A-Series = Trinity/Richland APUs (Notebook, Desktop)
FX-Series = Vishera/Kaveri CPUs (Desktop, Server)

I am a geniush!

 

[Phynaz]

You are quite sure but still only providing a link to the a page top....

What is sure is that you dont know nothing , just
keeping on your usual agenda , to the point that
i m wondering if you are actualy paid for..

That's it! He doesn't have the same viewpoint as you, therefore he knows nothing and must be a paid shill!

Of course we all have our opinions about your posts also.

 

[AtenRa]

I didn't quote because the text would be too long, and I posted a link for the entire message. I guess it's too much for your analytical capabilities to come with an hypothesis on why the 8350 is the only 125W part that throttles down on that board.

Did the thought cross through your mind that there might be a problem with the board before you made the statement about the FX8350 ??? Why other boards from different manufacturers doesn't have the same problem ???

What i see here is the typical scenario that MSI puts the blame to AMD. MSI designed the board, from my understanding MSI cheap out on the VRM design/implementation.

 

[mrmt]

Did the thought cross through your mind that there might be a problem with the board before you made the statement about the FX8350 ??? Why other boards from different manufacturers doesn't have the same problem ???

Because if the problem were with the board others 125W parts should have the same problem, which they don't.

 

[Abwx]

That's it! He doesn't have the same viewpoint as you, therefore he knows nothing and must be a paid shill!

Of course we all have our opinions about your posts also.

The difference is that he made a claim and cant sustain it ,
so that s not a point of view that he expressed but an unsubstancied claim.

When i make a claim i dont answer " i m quite sure" and then
give an innaccurate link as a saving grace once i m challenged
about my sayings.

I guess that you work this way since you consider
misleading people on purpose as expressing an opinion...

I put it again :

Power Consumption as IDC already proved.

Are you agree with this claim.?...

 

[krumme]

Kabini APU A6-5200 has 15W TDP, there is nothing strange Bobcat E-350 APU/VLIW5 GPU/40nm chip vs A6-5200/GCN GPU/28nm SoC.

Not that it matter much at 15W TDP, but the APU have southbridge integrated, so thats included in the TDP numbers. Where it really matter is at tablets 4-5watts levels.

I dont know if the emergin markets really needs more than e350 level of performance, and perhaps we will start to see lots of fanless 5-10 watts solutions build around the apu.

I can also see quite a potential for cheap fanless "ultrabooks".

Kabini and Temash will sell like crazy at least until broadwell and the new atoms hit market.

I think what went bad for AMD on this one is there, that its ½ a year to late. All the BD and revisions took the competences and money. May launch is disapointing.

 

[NTMBK]

Are they really using an A-Series naming scheme for Kabini/Temash?

Armchair general moment:

C-Series = Kabini/Temash APUs (ULP, LP)
A-Series = Trinity/Richland APUs (Notebook, Desktop)
FX-Series = Vishera/Kaveri CPUs (Desktop, Server)

I am a geniush!

The thing is that the lowest power Richland and the highest power Kabini will be crossing over in terms of form factor, and potentially even performance.

 

[Centauri]

I hope that isn't real because the performance jump offered by the 6800K can already be had from the 5800K with a painless GPU overclock - not to mention 2133 RAM.

 

[FlanK3r]

this cant not be with 1866 MHz at Trinity...I got with 1866 cl9 A10-5800K 1607 points

 

[Centauri]

^I'd love to know how 1118MHz was achieved with the GPU, because I can't even get 1013MHz without eventual system instability, and any higher will take the whole system down within a minute or two. Had to settle on 950MHz.

 

[Asterox]

Not that it matter much at 15W TDP, but the APU have southbridge integrated, so thats included in the TDP numbers. Where it really matter is at tablets 4-5watts levels.

I dont know if the emergin markets really needs more than e350 level of performance, and perhaps we will start to see lots of fanless 5-10 watts solutions build around the apu.

I can also see quite a potential for cheap fanless "ultrabooks".

Kabini and Temash will sell like crazy at least until broadwell and the new atoms hit market.

I think what went bad for AMD on this one is there, that its ½ a year to late. All the BD and revisions took the competences and money. May launch is disapointing.

Certainly dramatically better APU performance are always welcome, especially if they have identical TDP as the previous Bobcat APU models.

When it comes to Bobcat APU E-350/E-450/E2-1800/E1-1200/C-60, practice has shown that these models do not have enough CPU performance in many situations therefore Kabini / Temash APU models are very welcome.

Broadwell models can be compared with Kabini / Temash APU successors in the year 2014, and maybe with future ULV Kaveri APU Mobile models.Kabini / Temash APU models from 2013,you cant compare with Intel Broadwell that's what is most important.

 

[Phynaz]

The difference is that he made a claim and cant sustain it ,
so that s not a point of view that he expressed but an unsubstancied claim.

When i make a claim i dont answer " i m quite sure" and then
give an innaccurate link as a saving grace once i m challenged
about my sayings.

I guess that you work this way since you consider
misleading people on purpose as expressing an opinion...

I put it again :




Are you agree with this claim.?...

Yes. IDC has some pretty robust data. And given the the choice of putting my faith in a marketing gronk's slides, and IDC's data, I choose IDC.

How about you attack the data instead of the poster?

 

[itsmydamnation]

so what does this have to do with richland or kabini...... oh wait.....

now for something thats actually relavent
http://eetimes.com/design/eda-desig...-with-RTL-clock-gating-analysis-?pageNumber=0

700% decrease in active flops in halt state between bobcat core and jaguar, going ot be interesting to see idle/standby times.

 

[Abwx]

Yes. IDC has some pretty robust data. And given the the choice of putting my faith in a marketing gronk's slides, and IDC's data, I choose IDC.

How about you attack the data instead of the poster?

You choose to use IDC as a cover to unsubstancied claims
that he didnt make.

Find me where he says that the cpu TDP is over specs
with a proved measurement methodology.

You wont because you surely searched in the said thread
but you didnt find anything otherwise you would have posted
any evidence supporting your claim.

 

[inf64]

I think we need to measure the power drawn by the CPU from the CPU socket. This is the only accurate way to establish the true power one chip draws and disregard the inefficiencies in the VRM and further down in the PSU.

 

[frozentundra123456]

You choose to use IDC as a cover to unsubstancied claims
that he didnt make.

Find me where he says that the cpu TDP is over specs
with a proved measurement methodology.

You wont because you surely searched in the said thread
but you didnt find anything otherwise you would have posted
any evidence supporting your claim.

See post 11 of the first link. You can agree or disagree with IDC, but he did say that the cpu was using 190 plus watts.

 

[Blitzvogel]

Yep. Frankly, I think that the Bobcat line is now much better in it's segment than the BD line is in it's. I wonder if they will make a "tons-of-bobcats-on-a-chip" server CPU? I think that should be pretty nice for web serving/other such parallelizable loads.

I said the same thing about the theorized 8 core Jaguar derived processor that is reported to be in the neXtbox.

 

[Phynaz]

See post 11 of the first link. You can agree or disagree with IDC, but he did say that the cpu was using 190 plus watts.

But see that's not over spec, because the TDP is still 125 watts :biggrin:

 

[mrmt]

I think we need to measure the power drawn by the CPU from the CPU socket. This is the only accurate way to establish the true power one chip draws and disregard the inefficiencies in the VRM and further down in the PSU.

I don't think it's really important.

TDP is the parameter used to build thermal solutions for a processor, it's an average of how much power it can dissipate for a significant period of time. AMD is marketing two parts with the same TDP but that behaves differently under the same conditions. This means that either one is underrated or the other is overrated. Given opteron clocks and TDPs, I'm inclined to believe that 8350 TDP is underrated.

I don't know whether you can see the implications, but AMD may be underrating TDP for their entire consumer line, meaning lower life spam even for processors operating under default conditions.

 

[inf64]

No I'm talking about the inefficiencies in the board power delivery system and PSU. Therefore in order for the measurement to be spot on one must measure at the socket level .

 

[Piroko]

Ok, I'm gonna bait - to my understanding default conditions would exclude power virii by - well - default.
Also, the P4 Prescott already did that and hardly anyone cried foul and while SB and IB won't exceed their power limit, they will throttle quite badly in some Ultrabooks. And don't forget the new 10W Chips which turned out to be 17W TDP. Deception is strong in every marketing department.
So at least don't play the troll game in this thread as long as the only correlation between your argument and the thread topic is AMD.