RIM death watch

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Sounds moer like they are addressing the fear that people think RIMM is going under. Not hte financial truth at all.

Yup. That's partly what I meant by
asking any remaining customers to hang-in-there until BB 10 arrives

There are 2 issues. Sustainability of the company, and sustainability of the Blackberry platform as a viable option. Not many ISV's are publicly mentioning support for BB these days. Only fairly specialized software in certain industries do you still find companies developing apps for BB. Most of the exisiting apps in their app world have been there for ages now, and many don't even work on the 9900 series phones which have been out for over a year now. The BB app world is like a deserted wasteland.
 
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Yup. That's partly what I meant by

There are 2 issues. Sustainability of the company, and sustainability of the Blackberry platform as a viable option. Not many ISV's are publicly mentioning support for BB these days. Only fairly specialized software in certain industries do you still find companies developing apps for BB. Most of the exisiting apps in their app world have been there for ages now, and many don't even work on the 9900 series phones which have been out for over a year now. The BB app world is like a deserted wasteland.

I think they are making a new app store for when BB10 comes out. Sadly, many apps that work on BB10 will not work on legacy devices. Sadly, it sounds like alot of legacy apps will nto work on BB10 either. I think they are really making a cutoff for app development going forward.
 
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Desperate RIM Gives In And Lets Indian Gov't Spy On Blackberry Communications

If they've given India the ability to spy on encrypted Blackberry communications, you can bet that every 1st world government also has that ability. Not to mention any serious hackers.

The only reason left for anyone to get a Blackberry was security, and now that's gone.

Do you believe everything you read or do you research it on your own?

This is what really pisses me off about online journalism. Not only is the article incorrect. It was published atleast a day AFTER RIM came out and said this is not true.

http://in.reuters.com/article/2012/08/02/rim-india-blackberry-idINDEE87101A20120802

"RIM is providing an appropriate lawful access solution that enables India's telecom operators to be legally compliant with respect to their BlackBerry consumer traffic, to the same degree as other smartphone providers in India, but this does not extend to secure BlackBerry enterprise communications," said Waterloo, Ontario-based RIM in a statement.
 

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Do you believe everything you read or do you research it on your own?
So you research every article you read? I don't believe you.

This is what really pisses me off about online journalism. Not only is the article incorrect. It was published atleast a day AFTER RIM came out and said this is not true.

http://in.reuters.com/article/2012/08/02/rim-india-blackberry-idINDEE87101A20120802

So if RIM says something, it must be true? Do you have any proof that they are not lying? Have you given them a polygraph test?
 
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So you research every article you read? I don't believe you.

So if RIM says something, it must be true? Do you have any proof that they are not lying? Have you given them a polygraph test?

If RIMM is lieng, we might as well treat life as though we are all in The Matrix, overly concerned about who killed JFK and think that aliens run the world. Listen, all RIMM did was clarify rumors that are out in the public.

RIMM didn't deny anything if you actually read the statment. They clarified what is being said because people like you are to lazy to research matters and think tha BlackBerry enterprise communications are comprimised. What RIMM said is that they are providing information to India. They didn't deny that. They also said that this does not extend to secure BlackBerry enterprise communications. That means that "encrypted BlackBerry enterprise communications" are not being provided to India. Funny how extracting hte facts from a statement can lead to clarity.

But your statment that "The only reason left for anyone to get a Blackberry was security, and now that's gone" is 100% inaccurate since RIMM stated clearly that people that actually use their busienss systems are as secure as ever so the "only reason left" is an inaccurate statement.


As for researching what articles say? When it comes to RIMM, yes. The thing is it is only about once every 2 weeks where an article says soemthing new. It's usually reiterated garbage that are half truths or lies. Yes, lies. For example, any article that says RIMM is "bleeding cash" or "loosing money" is lieing. "Firing 5000 as last ditch effort" is another. Not a single article bothers to mention things like lean manufacturing which RIMM stated months ago as being the reason for layoffs that are coming (and now here). Don't read that much do you. Silly "facts" that "journalists" ignore.

As for research. I started off with the notion that RIMM is dead. Various events led me to their financial statements. Looking at those, I realized two things, "Wow this looks cheap" and "what are these articles talking about?" So, I read, read and read some more. The more I read the more I realized that "facts" don't align with "journalists".

As an aside, I write articles. I understand why journalists do what they do. When you get paid $25 to write an article, you can't spend a week on it. Even two hours is alot of time. Luckily, I write articles as a side job and in order to provide clarity on my own thoughts. The fact that I get paid anything is icing on the cake.
 
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It's like the company is determined to let it crash and burn first before selling it instead of just salvaging what they can now.
 
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I'm drunk, ask me anything about RIMM. I will be optimistic till the end of well one hour from now!

UPDATE: Playing on my Mame Cab. Be back soon
 
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Drunken counter with a journalist that saw the phone in an NDA situation recently:

http://www.cio.com/article/714961/New_BlackBerry_10_Devices_Impress_But_Can_They_Save_RIM_

Drunker comment:
RIM doesn't need the USA market. They need 30% of developing countries like India and at that point they'll have a market (eventually) that is the size of the USA population (30% of India population is 100% of US population).


NOTE: India smartphone penetration is probably hitting 10% right about now.
 

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Drunken counter with a journalist that saw the phone in an NDA situation recently:

http://www.cio.com/article/714961/New_BlackBerry_10_Devices_Impress_But_Can_They_Save_RIM_

Drunker comment:
RIM doesn't need the USA market. They need 30% of developing countries like India and at that point they'll have a market (eventually) that is the size of the USA population (30% of India population is 100% of US population).


NOTE: India smartphone penetration is probably hitting 10% right about now.

The first two devices will also presumably support 4G LTE, since RIM CEO Thorsten Heins recently cited a lack of LTE support in current in-market BlackBerry devices as one of the issues that caused RIM to lose market share to rivals including Apple and Google.
Strange. Apple doesn't yet have an LTE device.
 

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Well, they do have the iPad (3), which supports LTE. Of course you probably meant phone, which is correct, but that's likely to change in about 2 weeks.

Yeah. iPad doesn't steal market share from RIM directly.
 

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I still don't get what the leadership at RIM think they can do to survive against Apple, Google, and Microsoft when the first BB10 phones won't ship for months and months.
 

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So after years of being a loyal BB user (I've had every iteration from the 7100 til the 9900 except for the original Storm), I decided to give in and get an SGS3. Wife switched to an SGS2 a few months back.

I have to say, the device is amazing but as a corporate work tool the BB is better. Better in terms of mass emails, PIM (calendar, tasks, etc) work and management. The email experience in my opinion is drastically better on BB, and much more efficient. Problem is BB just PLAIN OUTRIGHT SUCKS in just about everything else.

If BB10 can deliver some gorgeous screens, and some of the major apps, I think this company will do just fine. Might be a good opportunity to make some $$ with some cheap long term calls...
 
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...and that's apparently because the latest iPad had LTE (after the Playbook already stopped selling completely).

Confused by this statement. It is of course still for sale, even with a new LTE model and rumored 10" version in the pipeline.
 
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