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ultimatebob

Lifer
Jul 1, 2001
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Blackberry still has enough lemons to make lemonade, but it needs to ditch the hardware business anchor ASAP and get into a lean fighting form. As a pure software, services, and IP licensing company, their cash horde would last them a long time, so they can refocus and figure out how to monetize their assets. They can't afford any more hardware gambles. They can license their brand to an Android manufacturer, but should not build hardware themselves.

I agree that Blackberry's IP is still worth a good sum to the likes of Microsoft, Apple, or Google.

The brand name? Not so much. At this point, folks would be embarrassed to carry around a phone with a Blackberry logo on it, as the brand just symbolizes "obsolete" or "failure" to many people. Seriously... for the trendy hipsters, it would be like buying something with a KMart or Blockbuster logo on it.
 
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theeedude

Lifer
Feb 5, 2006
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I agree that Blackberry's IP is still worth a good sum to the likes of Microsoft, Apple, or Google.

The brand name? Not so much. At this point, folks would be embarrassed to carry around a phone with a Blackberry logo on it, as the brand just symbolizes "obsolete" or "failure" to many people. Seriously... for the trendy hipsters, it would be like buying something with a KMart or Blockbuster logo on it.

I think it's a decent brand that can be turned around. Apple brand was in the doldrums too before iMac and iPod. If it's running stock Android, I don't see any reason to not use a Blackberry. Certainly it's a better brand than any Chinese company looking to get into the phone space has.
 

AyashiKaibutsu

Diamond Member
Jan 24, 2004
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I agree that Blackberry's IP is still worth a good sum to the likes of Microsoft, Apple, or Google.

The brand name? Not so much. At this point, folks would be embarrassed to carry around a phone with a Blackberry logo on it, as the brand just symbolizes "obsolete" or "failure" to many people. Seriously... for the trendy hipsters, it would be like buying something with a KMart or Blockbuster logo on it.

There's hipsters that'll carry around typewriters... You never know what's next.
 

rockyct

Diamond Member
Jun 23, 2001
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I agree that Blackberry's IP is still worth a good sum to the likes of Microsoft, Apple, or Google.

The brand name? Not so much. At this point, folks would be embarrassed to carry around a phone with a Blackberry logo on it, as the brand just symbolizes "obsolete" or "failure" to many people. Seriously... for the trendy hipsters, it would be like buying something with a KMart or Blockbuster logo on it.

I agree. The whole of BBM is less than the sum of all its parts. Maybe in the IT departments, BBM is a positive brand but it only means clunky, outdated tech to consumers.
 

trmiv

Lifer
Oct 10, 1999
14,670
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I agree that Blackberry's IP is still worth a good sum to the likes of Microsoft, Apple, or Google.

The brand name? Not so much. At this point, folks would be embarrassed to carry around a phone with a Blackberry logo on it, as the brand just symbolizes "obsolete" or "failure" to many people. Seriously... for the trendy hipsters, it would be like buying something with a KMart or Blockbuster logo on it.

Guess it depend on the type of hipster you're referring to. Blackberry can always go after the hipsters that are into being ironic. Position themselves as the Pabst Blue Ribbon of the smartphone world.
 
Sep 29, 2004
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Holy crap.

This morning a rumor about Google play coming to bb10 phones came out. I found it interesting since leaks all of a sudden have stopped. And members of leak groups are saying that nothing is being seen as leaks. But I thought this was some guy making up BS and I ignored it.

Now a member of one of a leak team basically came out and said it is no rumor and that it is actually happening. Google agree to it. And apparently Google services is already bb10 software but disabled.

Just blown away at this news.
 

Doppel

Lifer
Feb 5, 2011
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I agree. The whole of BBM is less than the sum of all its parts. Maybe in the IT departments, BBM is a positive brand but it only means clunky, outdated tech to consumers.
It is a joke in those, too. We have a guy who comes in to fix some of our equipment and I've been ribbing him on his black berry for a couple of years. He always talked well of it. Yesterday came in with a Galaxy Note and regaled me for 10-15 minutes about all the ways he hates his blackberry. If anything I think IT people are more intolerant of inferior tech than consumers.
Holy crap.

This morning a rumor about Google play coming to bb10 phones came out. I found it interesting since leaks all of a sudden have stopped. And members of leak groups are saying that nothing is being seen as leaks. But I thought this was some guy making up BS and I ignored it.

Now a member of one of a leak team basically came out and said it is no rumor and that it is actually happening. Google agree to it. And apparently Google services is already bb10 software but disabled.

Just blown away at this news.
That would indeed be great news for the 27 people with a BB10 device.
 
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It is a joke in those, too. We have a guy who comes in to fix some of our equipment and I've been ribbing him on his black berry for a couple of years. He always talked well of it. Yesterday came in with a Galaxy Note and regaled me for 10-15 minutes about all the ways he hates his blackberry. If anything I think IT people are more intolerant of inferior tech than consumers.That would indeed be great news for the 27 people with a BB10 device.

Har har.


I'm sure this it guy had bb10 and not an older phone. That's a rhetorical question BTW.

Having bb10 and knowing how the user experience works, I can not stand touching apple or android phones anymore. The user experience sucks, but people Are to ignorant to know it.

So, I get a superior user experience and soon, I get all the android apps.

I feel sorry for everyone that is to close minded to consider non android and non iOS phones.

Well, tech changes fast. Anyone could be the leader in 5 years. It could be bbry.
 

Doppel

Lifer
Feb 5, 2011
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Har har.


I'm sure this it guy had bb10 and not an older phone. That's a rhetorical question BTW.

Having bb10 and knowing how the user experience works, I can not stand touching apple or android phones anymore. The user experience sucks, but people Are to ignorant to know it.

So, I get a superior user experience and soon, I get all the android apps.

I feel sorry for everyone that is to close minded to consider non android and non iOS phones.

Well, tech changes fast. Anyone could be the leader in 5 years. It could be bbry.
BB leader in 5 years? You must be taking a piss, there's no chance of it.
 

AyashiKaibutsu

Diamond Member
Jan 24, 2004
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BB leader in 5 years? You must be taking a piss, there's no chance of it.

I think as he's watched his investments fall to zero he's gone completely to madness. We may need a white van and straight jackets once this is over and reality really hits him.
 

PimpJuice

Platinum Member
Feb 14, 2005
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Har har.


I'm sure this it guy had bb10 and not an older phone. That's a rhetorical question BTW.

Having bb10 and knowing how the user experience works, I can not stand touching apple or android phones anymore. The user experience sucks, but people Are to ignorant to know it.

So, I get a superior user experience and soon, I get all the android apps.

I feel sorry for everyone that is to close minded to consider non android and non iOS phones.

Well, tech changes fast. Anyone could be the leader in 5 years. It could be bbry.

It's been very entertaining to see your credibility in regards to investing nosedive further and further with idiotic posts.
 

Doppel

Lifer
Feb 5, 2011
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Blackberry. lols.

Read something in the economist today or some other rag, it interviewed a bunch of previous execs at blackberry. Pretty clear from this article (plus anybody paying attention) that BB simply fell into the same old trap of thinking it owned the market and always would and just because it was the leader now it didn't need anybody to tell it what to do. Lack of innovation, lack of quickly responding to the market = another dead company.
 
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It's been very entertaining to see your credibility in regards to investing nosedive further and further with idiotic posts.

Don't worry. When it comes to value investing web sites I have plenty of credibility. No offense, but a tech forum is not really a place I care to get graded. And people that want to grade me on one stock pick are geniuses themselves!

PS: Blackberry still has $2B in cash (less debt). Hopefully Chen can do some good.
 
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Blackberry. lols.

Read something in the economist today or some other rag, it interviewed a bunch of previous execs at blackberry. Pretty clear from this article (plus anybody paying attention) that BB simply fell into the same old trap of thinking it owned the market and always would and just because it was the leader now it didn't need anybody to tell it what to do. Lack of innovation, lack of quickly responding to the market = another dead company.

To update those that have not followed Blackberry, their failure when the iPhone was that the execs at BBRY thought that no one would buy a phone that couldn't last an 8 hour work day with normal use on a single charge. They thought (with their reasoning) that the iPhone would not be more than a toy.

Time to see where things will be in 5 years. I predict Apples current market share being less, Androlid and Microsoft greater and god knows where BBRY will be.
 

Imp

Lifer
Feb 8, 2000
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Quarterly results come out in a week-ish (20th?)... We'll see how their cash pile is doing after the fun that was last quarter.
 

compman25

Diamond Member
Jan 12, 2006
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Trailing 12 months FCF is $800 million. No debt. $3 billion in cash on the books.

Sorry, I read.

Don't worry. When it comes to value investing web sites I have plenty of credibility. No offense, but a tech forum is not really a place I care to get graded. And people that want to grade me on one stock pick are geniuses themselves!

PS: Blackberry still has $2B in cash (less debt). Hopefully Chen can do some good.

Not even 6 months and they are down $1B in cash and you keep claiming they can survive?
 
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