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Turin39789

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I am not sure about PM, but the rest of those guys that got banned knew exactly why. The new story in the forums that can't be named is no one has a clue why and it was just mod hate.

They broke into the mod forums and hashed it out on another forum. They then didn't accept the punishments and went batshit crazy over it here resulting in permbans.

Same idiots think I am somehow coddled by the mods and their mole.

No one broke into a forum, it was opened up, though obviously not intentionally. Just glad I wasn't online while the doors were left open or I might have done something foolish like click on them.
 

Turin39789

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Heard a quick story on npr about rim today, more talk of trying to win back the enterprise crowd.with their superior security. Personally think they are too far gone, hearing more and more companies offering to replace blackberries.
 

BoomerD

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PliableMoose has asked that everyone stop derailing the thread so it doesn't get locked.
 

alkemyst

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No one broke into a forum, it was opened up, though obviously not intentionally. Just glad I wasn't online while the doors were left open or I might have done something foolish like click on them.

It wasn't 'clicking' on them that was the issue. It was exploiting them and then sharing info known to be not for everyone's eyes with others. People knew they were not supposed to be in there...saying otherwise would tell me they equally don't have a place here.

This is part of the problem today with people, no ethics.
 

Doppel

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Heard a quick story on npr about rim today, more talk of trying to win back the enterprise crowd.with their superior security. Personally think they are too far gone, hearing more and more companies offering to replace blackberries.
Enterprise crowd wants to surf the net on their phone like anybody else and it cannot be done well on a tiny screen--even when the blackberry isn't an incredibly slow POS. It absolutely needs a big screen and when the blackberry has that, as some of the new ones are going to have they look like any other smart phone, except without all the apps.

Future is very dimm for RIMM.
 

trmiv

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Oct 10, 1999
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The problem for RIM and wanting to win back the enterprise crowd is the consumerization of IT. A lot of companies are going to a BYOD model, the company I work for included. So employees are going to bring in the devices they want, and they want iPhones and the latest Android devices. Since we went BYOD the number of iOS and Android devices that get wireless email has exploded, and the number of Blackberry devices has dwindled. Almost to the point it's not even worth keeping the BES server operational.
 

Greenman

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More than likely it was obvious to the parties involved.

Personally if it were my forums, I would not tolerate members taking info from private sub-forums I hosted and discussing it on another forum which had a sole purpose of bitching about mine and/or plotting 'flash mob' type bullshit on it.

You don't know what happened, you don't know who was involved, you don't know when it happened. In other words, you're once again blowing smoke out your ass.

For the record, there is another place where a lot of the most interesting members from here hang out, some are banned, some aren't. They don't plan flash mob attacks, they don't discuss what happens in the moderator forums, and the primary purpose of the place has nothing to do with Anandtech.
 

OutHouse

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as boomer said. ENOUGH TALKING ABOUT OTHER CRAP THAN RIM!!!! if you want to talk about the bans so much start a thread to discuss it there.
 

preslove

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Last year, RIM should have put out an android phone with enterprise enhancements. Now, they're pretty much dead in the water.

My $ is on a microsoft purchase.

edit: Alkemyst is a douche tube.
 
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Wyndru

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The problem for RIM and wanting to win back the enterprise crowd is the consumerization of IT. A lot of companies are going to a BYOD model, the company I work for included. So employees are going to bring in the devices they want, and they want iPhones and the latest Android devices. Since we went BYOD the number of iOS and Android devices that get wireless email has exploded, and the number of Blackberry devices has dwindled. Almost to the point it's not even worth keeping the BES server operational.

BYOD makes me cringe. Personal devices in a corporate setting seems sketchy to me. IT has to learn how to troubleshoot every device in existence to support them, and at the end of the day it's still a device funded by the employee which seems like it could cause some conflicts of ownership.

I just hope that if our organization goes that route that they have agreements in place that say the company is not responsible for anything that goes wrong with the device, and that it is required that the device stay functional and available. I can just see it now, people complaining that their plans cost too much so they don't use the phone, or they leave them home, not charged, etc...
 

trmiv

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BYOD makes me cringe. Personal devices in a corporate setting seems sketchy to me. IT has to learn how to troubleshoot every device in existence to support them, and at the end of the day it's still a device funded by the employee which seems like it could cause some conflicts of ownership.

I just hope that if our organization goes that route that they have agreements in place that say the company is not responsible for anything that goes wrong with the device, and that it is required that the device stay functional and available. I can just see it now, people complaining that their plans cost too much so they don't use the phone, or they leave them home, not charged, etc...

As far as support goes, it really hasn't been an issue. For employee owned devices we support the installation and troubleshooting of the email app only (in this case, Good Messaging). The employees understand this, and agree to it when they get email on their phone. I've worked on both the support side when I was in desktop support, and now the email admin side as a sys admin, and support hasn't been much of an issue.

We are getting ready to outsource setup/support/management/billing to a 3rd party vendor though. All corporate owned devices will be supported automatically. Employee owned devices will still get support for the email app and issues related to that, but no support otherwise. They will, however, have the option to pay a fee to get full support for their device.
 

vi edit

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BYOD makes me cringe. Personal devices in a corporate setting seems sketchy to me. IT has to learn how to troubleshoot every device in existence to support them, and at the end of the day it's still a device funded by the employee which seems like it could cause some conflicts of ownership.

We're trying to go entirely BYOD and convert people over to stipends. It's just a lot cheaper and easier for the bean counters to pay somebody $15-$40 a month to piggy back off their existing voice plan than it is to pay for a dedicated line for them. No worries about minute overages, data overages, texting, ect. It's all on the employee to cover.
 
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BYOD makes me cringe. Personal devices in a corporate setting seems sketchy to me. IT has to learn how to troubleshoot every device in existence to support them, and at the end of the day it's still a device funded by the employee which seems like it could cause some conflicts of ownership.

I just hope that if our organization goes that route that they have agreements in place that say the company is not responsible for anything that goes wrong with the device, and that it is required that the device stay functional and available. I can just see it now, people complaining that their plans cost too much so they don't use the phone, or they leave them home, not charged, etc...

RIM has stated all along that as soon as one big attack on Droids or iOS occurs, corporations will come running to them. Droid apps already have been foudn that have back doors in them. Why this is not part of some Droid Death Watch thread is beyond me?

It really seems liek a matter of time till things blow up in the face of Android and iOS.

Quite frankly, people that use their phones for actual work don't need anything more than a BB. Those that say otherwse jsut want to play Angry Birds.
 
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As far as support goes, it really hasn't been an issue. For employee owned devices we support the installation and troubleshooting of the email app only (in this case, Good Messaging). The employees understand this, and agree to it when they get email on their phone. I've worked on both the support side when I was in desktop support, and now the email admin side as a sys admin, and support hasn't been much of an issue.

We are getting ready to outsource setup/support/management/billing to a 3rd party vendor though. All corporate owned devices will be supported automatically. Employee owned devices will still get support for the email app and issues related to that, but no support otherwise. They will, however, have the option to pay a fee to get full support for their device.

How are you handling users that install apps on the phone that have back doors? CAn you limit permissions on the phone so that SD cards can't be accessed by applciations and such? You know, all those things you agree to letting an application on a Droid do security wise (read the SD card, use GPS, etc etc etc) All those things people agree to without actually reading what they are agreeing to?
 
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webdave

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How are you handling users that install apps on the phone that have back doors? CAn you limit permissions on the phone so that SD cards can't be accessed by applciations and such? You know, all those things you agree to letting an application on a Droid do security wise (read the SD card, use GPS, etc etc etc) All those things people agree to without actually reading what they are agreeing to?

If you use something like Good Technology all the email and PIM data is in it's own encrypted container with it's own PW policies.
 

OutHouse

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RIM has stated all along that as soon as one big attack on Droids or iOS occurs, corporations will come running to them.


if an attack did happen, i do not see corporations running to bb... thats the beauty of GOOD, it all in containers if a droid or IOS gets malware or a virus the GOOD app and corporate stuff is safe. i have had a GOOD server for 3 years, my users (all 298 of them on the good server) love good because they can use any smartphone they want. just download the app and send a ticket to the help-desk to generate a PIN that is email to the user. all done.
 
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trmiv

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How are you handling users that install apps on the phone that have back doors? CAn you limit permissions on the phone so that SD cards can't be accessed by applciations and such? You know, all those things you agree to letting an application on a Droid do security wise (read the SD card, use GPS, etc etc etc) All those things people agree to without actually reading what they are agreeing to?

We don't worry about anything outside the email app. As webdave mentioned above with Good all the email, contact data, and calendar info is in it's own app, encrypted. We have a policy enforced so users can't save attachments from the app to their device, view only. We can remote wipe the app, or remotely enable a password if needed.
 
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Oh NO!!! SOMEONE DO SOMETHING!


2,000. That is a scary number. Great for selling newspapers .... admit it. So, they have currently 16,000 employees. Really the end of the world?

This is part of a restructuring to make a more lean company. This was expected news. And another thing. Thorsten Heins is doing an awesome job. When he took the reins, he said that he was going to do certain things. And the news is verifying it. He is executing his plan.

God, JNJ is lean and people don't get upset. RIMM is moving towards a lean business model and people get upset. RIMMs old business model was a bureaucracy that slowed everything down.

Why no articles stating the obvious. RIMM has a new CEO. He said what he is doing and he is executing it.

PS: I said 2,000. I know it. The news article obviously didn't slam the number 6,000 there on accident. And I didn't put 2,000 in my post on accident. If newspapers want to sensationalize, so will I.
 
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FWIW:

Just consider this a proof of concept.

http://thepcsecurity.com/android-malware-trojan-steals-credit-card-info-when-speak-enter/

This is what you need to have your employees do:
Following are five quick tips to help you keep your Android handset free of malware.

Always research the publisher of the app. What other apps does it offer? Do any of them look a bit shady? If so, you should probably stay away.

Read online reviews. Android Market reviews may not always be truthful. Check around to see what reputable Websites are saying about the app before you hit the download button.

Always check app permissions. Whenever you download or update an app, you get a list of permissions for it. An alarm clock app, for instance, probably shouldn't need to look through your contacts. The general rule of thumb: If an app is asking for more than what it needs to do its job, you should skip it.

Android MarketAvoid directly installing Android Package files (APKs). When Angry Birds first came to Android, you could get it only through a third party. This is called "sideloading," or installing apps using an .APK file. Although Angry Birds wasn't malware, in general it is highly advisable not to download and install .APK files that you randomly come across. Most of the time you won't know what the file contains until you install it--and by then it's too late.

Put a malware and antivirus scanner on your phone. Although many people still think that antivirus scanners on phones are useless, maybe outbreaks such as this one will change minds. Several different big-name security companies already offer mobile-security options, many of them free. I myself had downloaded "Spider Man," which is on a bad-apps list. My Lookout software identified it as a Trojan horse.

Ya, everyone does that.



Then there is this:
http://techtrickz.com/news/droidkun...nti-virus-detection-and-turns-phone-into-bot/





What's funny is that in large corporations today, many CTOs want Blackberry's to be standard. Unfortunately, they are told by the CEO that they want Droid and iOS to be the standard. So, CTOs are told the answer by the CEO. Then the CTO has to backfit a justification.
 

cliftonite

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FWIW:

Just consider this a proof of concept.

http://thepcsecurity.com/android-malware-trojan-steals-credit-card-info-when-speak-enter/

This is what you need to have your employees do:


Ya, everyone does that.



Then there is this:
http://techtrickz.com/news/droidkun...nti-virus-detection-and-turns-phone-into-bot/





What's funny is that in large corporations today, many CTOs want Blackberry's to be standard. Unfortunately, they are told by the CEO that they want Droid and iOS to be the standard. So, CTOs are told the answer by the CEO. Then the CTO has to backfit a justification.

I know for a fact our CTO has an iphone and he made a blog post on our company portal announcing BYOD a while back. This is at a Fortune 100 company with about 50k employees.
 
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So, in his blog post, what did he use for rational?

I work for a company with about 90,000 people. They simply do not allow personal phones to be connected to company computers through wired or wireless means. Period. Does it really matter?

Behind closed doors, CTOs don't want to risk their jobs. When the CEO wants his iPhone for work purposes, the decision is pretty much made already. If CTOs were to make the call, they would choose blackberry because of security reasons. CTOs say they want them but they are over-ruled. Of course, you'd have to get into a discussion of the organizations that CEOs are members of where they share information on what they are trying. Don't believe me? Why do you think everyone started outsourcing IT at the same time. Why do you think CEOs are pushing this bring your own device crap. As soon as they realize that there are problems with it, things will change just as quickly as they started.
 
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