RIM death watch

[Lifted]

As I have stated before, people in the USA think the only market is the USA. People tend to forget that Indias population alone is 3 times the size of the USA. And people there can not afford premium phones like the iPhone.

Actually

India is 3.75x US
China is 4.3x US

That's a lot of < $100 phones being sold.

 

[Ichinisan]

I call shens on the bold part. Unless things are vastly different outside of the US, I don't see how it's even possible.

As I have stated before, people in the USA think the only market is the USA. People tend to forget that Indias population alone is 3 times the size of the USA. And people there can not afford premium phones like the iPhone.

My statement specifically considered the possibility that things outside the USA are vastly different.

 

[Lifted]

My statement specifically considered the possibility that things outside the USA are vastly different.

And with 30 seconds of critical thinking you'd deduce that the 2.5 billion people in the two mentioned countries alone, who earn on avg $1,500 per year, aren't spending $800 on a telephone.

 

[Ichinisan]

And with 30 seconds of critical thinking you'd deduce that the 2.5 billion people in the two mentioned countries alone, who earn on avg $1,500 per year, aren't spending $800 on a telephone.

Yeah, but Motorola, Samsung, LG, Kyocera, and the rest also make cheap models. It's strange that Nokia could push all the competitors out in those other territories, but not in the US. I still see lots of cheap-o throw-away phones in the US, and none of them are Nokia (at least, from what I've seen in the last few years).

Very strange.

 

[ElFenix]

nokia sold 250,000,000 of these:
http://gizmodo.com/5634258/the-most-popular-phone-in-the-world

 

[Ichinisan]

nokia sold 250,000,000 of these:
http://gizmodo.com/5634258/the-most-popular-phone-in-the-world

Good read. :thumbsup:

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

BB10 release date rumored to be first half of September. First BB10s have been manufactured. New color scheme with the possibility of multiple colors being available.

The keyboard version is also rumored to be right around the corner. The hardware is final but not in production yet.

 

[Dari]

Windows Phone needs to go too. You cannot sync with ActiveSync, which is beyond stupid. You have to sync with a cloud service. No way, Microsoft. Fucking pathetic that Apple and Android use ActiveSync but Microsoft, which created the thing, does not. I will never touch WP because of that.

 

[FoBoT]

many of us where i work are going to switch from BB's to iPhone 5 when they come out

 

[BladeVenom]

nokia sold 250,000,000 of these:
http://gizmodo.com/5634258/the-most-popular-phone-in-the-world

"The 8th, 9th and 10th largest phone seller in the world, by volume, are companies you've never heard of—ZTE, G-Five and Huawei—which have made heaps of money selling millions of customers their first phones. Nokia is actually losing share in India..."

They lost the high end to Android and iPhone, and are now losing the low end to cheap Chinese phones.

 

[rockyct]

Windows Phone needs to go too. You cannot sync with ActiveSync, which is beyond stupid. You have to sync with a cloud service. No way, Microsoft. Fucking pathetic that Apple and Android use ActiveSync but Microsoft, which created the thing, does not. I will never touch WP because of that.

That's fixed with WP8. WP is running on the Windows NT kernel so it's going to get all that device management stuff as well. It's pretty clear now that WP7 was really just a quick stopgap measure until they could get WinRT going.

 

[OutHouse]

Windows Phone needs to go too. You cannot sync with ActiveSync, which is beyond stupid. You have to sync with a cloud service. No way, Microsoft. Fucking pathetic that Apple and Android use ActiveSync but Microsoft, which created the thing, does not. I will never touch WP because of that.

damn thats pretty epic. didnt anybody at the incubator even think of testing the phone with exchange active sync??

lol fail fail fail.

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

many of us where i work are going to switch from BB's to iPhone 5 when they come out

I can be anecdotal to.

ALot of people that are techies are sick of their iPhones and switching to BB10s when they come out just because it is a new toy to tinker with.

RIMs declining market share in India has stopped. It's actually starting to make a small rebound but many more quarters of data are needed to see if it sticks.

 

[yinan]

Why would anyone want to use a BB? They are old, out of date, useless, hard to manage, and generally have no good features.

 

[Rage187]

I think Blackberry's come with a negative connotation. It reminds me of being on call all the time for work. THe hell would I want to use something that makes me feel like I'm working?

IT is now providing iPhones upon request. We have to pay $100 if we want to switch.

 

[Dari]

That's fixed with WP8. WP is running on the Windows NT kernel so it's going to get all that device management stuff as well. It's pretty clear now that WP7 was really just a quick stopgap measure until they could get WinRT going.

Can you confirm that it will work with ActiveSync? Did they mention it in the presentation?

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

Why would anyone want to use a BB? They are old, out of date, useless, hard to manage, and generally have no good features.

Read about BB10. The BB10 interface is going to make the iPhone look like an Atari. Seriosuly, go watch some of hte videos that show off the BB10s "flow" interface. It litterally makes Droid and iOS look like technolgoy from 5 years ago ..... Wait .... I guess that's not a coincidence.

 

[Puddle Jumper]

Read about BB10. The BB10 interface is going to make the iPhone look like an Atari. Seriosuly, go watch some of hte videos that show off the BB10s "flow" interface. It litterally makes Droid and iOS look like technolgoy from 5 years ago ..... Wait .... I guess that's not a coincidence.

What does the BB10 UI offer that Android does not?

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

What does the BB10 UI offer that Android does not?

Go watch the videos.

Example. Playing angry birds and want to check your facebook?

Android:
Playing angry birds
close Angry Birds (loosing state)
navigate to Facebook tile
Open Facebook app (no new mesages)
play with facebook
Exit facebook
... repeat for e-mail, text mesaages, 4 square, etc ...
find angry birds tile
Launch ANgry Birds (starting new session)

Flow:
Playing angry birds
Use gesture to see if there are new messages in e-mail, facebook, etc
1 second later, back at angry birds right where you left off

Now I am sure there may be ways to do things in Facebook, e-mail, etc more efficiently. But not by default and not by the Droid OS. maybe through a 3rd party app. This is all in BB10 as part of the OS.



Now apply this to everything out there. It just works in BB10 w/ Flow. If it can be done on Droid/iOS you need to find workarounds.

I have a Droid. It works. But watching the BB10 in action, it blows my Droid away in terms of user experience. Think otherwise? It's like saying that it is easier to change CDs than use your smartphone's media player.

The videos are all out there showing off the BB10 and how it interacts with the operator. I went in with an open mind. There is a reason I own RIMM stock and call options.

2008: Old BB ..... look at how awesome this iPhone is and Droid is. Everyone moves to those platforms. And now (2012), BB10 is ready to come out and once everyone sees how good the user experience is, they obviosuly will remain loyal to iOS and Droid.

 

[theevilsharpie]

I'm not sure what version of Android you're using, but my two-year-old Droid X is capable of switching between applications without shutting them down, and has been since I got the phone.

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

I'm not sure what version of Android you're using, but my two-year-old Droid X is capable of switching between applications without shutting them down, and has been since I got the phone.

Cripe, quit pretending. There is a reason I used Angry Birds as an example. I have a Droid 3 and I spat out verbatim what the process is.

So, what you are saying is that you do not have to:
1) exit angry birds
2) find the facebook app
3) launch it
4) close it
5) find your e-mail app
6) laucnh it
7) close it
8) Find angry birds
9) launch it

That's not the process?

You are claiming that you already do what hte BB10 will do?
1) palying angrry birds
2) gesture :: e-mail, facebook, 4 square all available immediatly for quick review
3) back to angry birds



Here is a flow video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5KKQx04yD0

 

[corwin]

Cripe, quit pretending. There is a reason I used Angry Birds as an example. I have a Droid 3 and I spat out verbatim what the process is.

So, what you are saying is that you do not have to:
1) exit angry birds
2) find the facebook app
3) launch it
4) close it
5) find your e-mail app
6) laucnh it
7) close it
8) Find angry birds
9) launch it

That's not the process?

You are claiming that you already do what hte BB10 will do?
1) palying angrry birds
2) gesture :: e-mail, facebook, 4 square all available immediatly for quick review
3) back to angry birds



Here is a flow video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5KKQx04yD0

I have no clue about Android but even my BB OS7 phone can switch between open apps using the menu key...might not be as "easy" as a gesture but works just the same. Personally I love my BB and won't switch until they are out of business and won't function at all anymore, there's nothing with the same features and customization options like a BB has, especially when it comes to alerts

 

[Imp]

All this BB10 praise is starting to sound familiar... like when Playbook was announced and people talked about how it could multitask, do a lot of stuff, it sent the stock price up, then... millions in unsold inventory sitting in warehouses that won't sell after a 50+% price reduction.

 

[theevilsharpie]

Cripe, quit pretending. There is a reason I used Angry Birds as an example. I have a Droid 3 and I spat out verbatim what the process is.

So, what you are saying is that you do not have to:
1) exit angry birds
2) find the facebook app
3) launch it
4) close it
5) find your e-mail app
6) laucnh it
7) close it
8) Find angry birds
9) launch it

That's not the process?

No. I don't have to close applications when I'm switching between them. The home button will suspend an application where it's at and take me back to the home screen, where I can bounce between applications as needed.

Using you example:
1. Start a game of Angry Birds
2. Receive a notification of a new e-mail
3. Press the home button, and check new e-mail, referencing something to check online
4. Press home button, open a web browser, and check said thing
5. Press home button, switch back to e-mail to review what needs to be checked
6. Press home button, switch back to open web page
7. Press home button, switch back to e-mail, write a reply, and send
8. Press home button, and open Angry Birds, resuming where I left off

You are claiming that you already do what hte BB10 will do?
1) palying angrry birds
2) gesture :: e-mail, facebook, 4 square all available immediatly for quick review
3) back to angry birds

I don't have gestures (although I suspect that I could add gesture support by using a different launcher), but otherwise, yes. And I've personally had this functionally via my Droid X for nearly two years, and I'm pretty sure Android as an OS has had it even longer.

 

[uclabachelor]

Last few dozen posts is reminiscent of the Facebook hype a few weeks prior to its IPO.