1. No one in this thread disagrees that BB10 is make or break. If it isn't good, and successful, there will be no BB11.
2. Everything else you posted is essentially garbage.
3. Enjoy your iPhone. I mean that.
1. No one in this thread disagrees that BB10 is make or break. If it isn't good, and successful, there will be no BB11.Every public company works for shareholders.Because I don't care about BB10. I said RIMM's future sucks. I don't even care to get caught up in a debate about BB10. It's marginally more interesting to me than arguing the tenets of a key component in house paint.
I know is that BB is losing market share at a breathtaking rate, that its stock is nose-diving because the company is looking down the barrel of a gun. The rest is noise. BB10 is a hail mary pass.
This loyal fan base you pretend exists doesn't. People hate their blackberries, hence its catastrophic loss of market share.How do you guys say this with a straight face? India? Really, who cares? Indians don't care about good phones? They're not going to jump on the droid/iphone bandwagon?
RIMM is a dinosaur, it's an anachronism. The market has said it, the stock's nose dive mirrors it.How is cratering of market sure not valid again?At least three times, but, yes, it does spell doom. Companies losing market share at Blackberry's rate have three options:
1) Successful hail mary pass to stem the bleeding and recover ground
2) Go bankrupt
3) Get bought out
If BB10 doesn't count as 1) BB will suffer 2) or 3). I highly doubt BB10 will be that good. We now have another player coming online with Microsoft's Windows 8 phones, giving BB yet another huge, monetized competitor. Blackberry is fvcked. They have dithered for too long selling crap to corporations. They filled a niche just like typewriters used to.Sorry, these users are now so pissed that when they can leave they will. Really, many already have.
Every time I see somebody with a BB I ask them about it. As recently as yesterday a guy who said he has "the latest and greatest" was saying how he hates it, wants to get a droid. I literally only know one person in my group at work who when given the chance for an iphone went with another BB. The rest of us literally count down the months until we can get iPhones. Got mine this week and can't believe I put up with that crapberry for so long.
Roughly speaking, you need Exchange regardless. So to replace BES you need Activesync and whatever else you choose to use for management/security.
That's not remotely close to being an argument. Or quantitative evidence. I'm not really sure what to make of it.
You're the one that started with "whatever advantage Rim may have in security is countered...". Now you're electing to go with 'they have no advantage. Make up your mind already!
No, it isn't. Actually, as BB-market share has dropped, even BBM isn't a replacement for BBM a couple of years ago, because fewer people actually have it.
So I'm stuck back in 1999 trading slow, limited, unreliable SMS messages with folks who can't stop telling me how great their iPhone is.
Doppel reminds the audience that RIM's loss of market share is breathtaking.2. Everything else you posted is essentially garbage.
iOS has 600,000+ apps; Android has 500,00+ apps. How many will BB10 have?
Developer interest in BlackBerry OS at all time low
Oh, and about this nonsense that developers actually car about RIM's platform:
http://www.zdnet.com/developer-interest-in-blackberry-os-at-all-time-low-7000000884/
Basically every argument for RIM in this thread can be cratered by a quick google search.
Everyone else has already caught up, which is why RIMM is now 25% what it was a year back. Why the crazy hold-outs in this thread? Your fanboism is hugely ill-conceived and baffling.
Which one of these changes the basic situation that is obvious to everyone?Doppel reminds the audience that RIM's loss of market share is breathtaking.
Doppel states that there is no great loyalty for RIM among its user base (in the West).
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/tech...oyalty-survey-rim-lags-behind/article4179997/
Doppel brings up Windows 8 phones, another thing RIM should worry about.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57528365-94/windows-phone-8-pre-orders-said-to-start-october-21/
3chordcharlie derides as "garbage". Well, I'm convinced
Yes, it is. In government and corporate environments I've never experienced less than one significant outage (3+ hours, during office hours) per month.ActiveSync is part of Exchange.
If you want a quantitative figure, three days of downtime within a one year period leaves RIM with barely 99% uptime within that same period, and that's assuming RIM has no further outages this year. I'm not sure if you're familiar with industry uptime standards, but if you're not, I'll give you a hint: that's bad.
So now your argument was not only misdirected, it wasn't even needed because the original 'fact' was wrong. Got it. Is this the last time you're planning to adjust your argument? I'm not sure if you noticed, but you have now completely disconnected your reliability argument from the security thing, which is what I told you was needed back in my first post. You've alsoThe keyword in that phrase was "whatever," but if you want me to be clear, I will: RIM has no technological advantage over the competition when it comes to security. Their sole advantage in the enterprise market at this point is that they're the incumbent.
If you recall the history of what became BBM, it makes more sense of just what it turned into. So far, eventual obsolescence has been the destiny of every IM, even ones that are cross-platform, sadly. I'd be happy enough if people would just pick one.Such is the life of a proprietary program running in a decaying walled garden :'(
TBH it's been a few months since I had an SMS delayed an hour or more, and much longer since one wasn't delivered at all. I assume SMS to be mostly a 'carrier' issue, and it has improved. Lack of delivered receipts is problematic and limiting, even more so than the stupid character limit.I will grant you that SMS is limited when compared to a true IM program, but it's universally compatible. For functional purposes, it works well enough as an IM, and I haven't found it any more or less reliable or fast than an IM. If you're having problems with SMS, maybe it's your phone
Doppel brings up Windows 8 phones, another thing RIM should worry about.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57528365-94/windows-phone-8-pre-orders-said-to-start-october-21/
3chordcharlie derides as "garbage". Well, I'm convinced
RIMMs only threat is the Windows phone. Apple and Android are way behind RIMM and MSFT OS wise.
RIMMs only threat is the Windows phone. Apple and Android are way behind RIMM and MSFT OS wise.
RIMMs only threat is the Windows phone. Apple and Android are way behind RIMM and MSFT OS wise.
Today we officially shut down BES as our last and final BlackBerry holdout switched over to an iPhone. Obviously government agencies will keep BBs in use but for the many, many other companies out there that's not the case.
Now that's funny. Gems like this are the reason I still read this thread.
I think it context he does mostly make sense here. WP8 phones are built on the Win NT kernel and have complete device management/encryption available to IT. It's sort of the last advantage that BB phones have and WP8 comes out at the end of this month. It'll have a six month (?) head start before any BB10 phones come out and it runs all 100k WP7 apps.Now that's funny. Gems like this are the reason I still read this thread.
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I said I don't care about BB10. If you need to misrepresent me to make your argument, you've already lost. Try harder, or not at all.You have admitted multiple times I. This tread that you don't know what you are talking about and don't even care to.
How about you try taking the opinion of someone who has actually sat down and used a BB10 device:
http://techcrunch.com/2012/10/11/rim-bb10-video-hands-on/
I said I don't care about BB10. If you need to misrepresent me to make your argument, you've already lost. Try harder, or not at all.
You keep trying, myopically, to argue the tenets of BB10 as if a technical solution alone can atone for years of mismanagement and destructed market share, loss of loyalty, and an increasingly tarnished brand.
Remember Betamax? No, you don't, and yet it was better than VHS. There's more to business than the product. Unfortunately for RIM both their business AND products suck.
Holy shit dude, they haven't even launched their new product and you say it sucks. They also have a new CEO and just underwent a massive corporate restructuring. They aren't the same company. You are talking betamax and vhs when they have moved on to dvd.
I have seen videos of BB10 and it does look promising, but it just may be too late for RIM. Three years ago they were the incumbent and had a structural advantage in the industry, but now the opposite is true. In the consumer market they should be viewed as a new entrant.
Lets give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they release BB10 on time and it's close to parity with JB and IOS6. Why would someone who already owns an Iphone or Android switch? Will companies that adopted BYOD policies suddenly go back to mandating Blackberries? If individual users are making the purchasing decisions then RIM's historical strengths such as security become irrelevant.
I'm having a hard time seeing how this turns in their favor even if they succeed in the difficult task of producing a product that would be competitive with IOS6 or JB. There is also the risk that MS will push WP8 aggressively into the enterprise market and gain traction.
I said I don't care about BB10. If you need to misrepresent me to make your argument, you've already lost. Try harder, or not at all.
You keep trying, myopically, to argue the tenets of BB10 as if a technical solution alone can atone for years of mismanagement and destructed market share, loss of loyalty, and an increasingly tarnished brand.
Remember Betamax? No, you don't, and yet it was better than VHS. There's more to business than the product. Unfortunately for RIM both their business AND products suck.
Every public company works for shareholders.