Rivian Automotive electric truck and SUV

[ponyo]

I finally saw a Rivian truck out in the wild today while driving on the highway. Truck was attractive but pretty small. Reminded me of late 90s Tacoma or Frontier size wise from the distance.

If not for Cybertruck, I would consider it. But I love Cybertruck prototype too much to consider buying anything else. Nothing can compare to Cybertruck IMO.

 

[ultimatebob]

Chevrolet announced their Silverado EV today. I don't really know what to make of it, mostly because they were so vague with the details. They announced that the vehicle "starts" at $42,000, but the model that you'll actually want with the big motor and 400 mile range battery costs $105,000.

The range and power details for the model most folks can actually afford aren't listed, yet.

 

[herm0016]

Chevrolet announced their Silverado EV today. I don't really know what to make of it, mostly because they were so vague with the details. They announced that the vehicle "starts" at $42,000, but the model that you'll actually want with the big motor and 400 mile range battery costs $105,000.

The range and power details for the model most folks can actually afford aren't listed, yet.

They will start building fleet sales work trucks first, at 40k. Then top line rst is 105k inline with Denali pricing. Other trim levels to follow. It was all there. They must have fleet customers lined up already.
Interesting side note, the pics of the work truck show 8 lug wheels like a 3/4 ton.

 

[thecoolnessrune]

They will start building fleet sales work trucks first, at 40k. Then top line rst is 105k inline with Denali pricing. Other trim levels to follow. It was all there. They must have fleet customers lined up already.
Interesting side note, the pics of the work truck show 8 lug wheels like a 3/4 ton.

A footnote on the launch website shows "up to 20,000lb. towing", so there is a Work Truck variant coming after launch that is indeed targeting the 3/4 ton market.

 

[herm0016]

A footnote on the launch website shows "up to 20,000lb. towing", so there is a Work Truck variant coming after launch that is indeed targeting the 3/4 ton market.

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the WT would make a sweet farm truck if it can tow that much. often you need a truck to pull the combine header, a grain trailer, pick up hay with lots of towing capability but you never leave say a 50 mile radius of the property. many diesel one tons that are high maintenance cost, high fuel cost, that could be replaced by something you can do the same work with and will have very little maintenance cost and you charge every night in the equipment shed, and costs less to purchase.

 

[killster1]

Finally: The All-Electric Rivian R1T Takes On The World's Toughest Towing Test! - YouTube

/shrug just watching rivian in action video seems well done.

strange but the charge they did at walmart cost 18$ for 37% refill at what seemed like a LONG wait ugh i guess ill cancel my order

 

[Greenman]

I finally saw a Rivian truck out in the wild today while driving on the highway. Truck was attractive but pretty small. Reminded me of late 90s Tacoma or Frontier size wise from the distance.

If not for Cybertruck, I would consider it. But I love Cybertruck prototype too much to consider buying anything else. Nothing can compare to Cybertruck IMO.

The issue seems to be that you can't actually buy a cybertruck. Whereas Rivian appears to have produced several dozen of their trucks.

 

[Hans Gruber]

The new Hummer EV. 0-60 in 3 seconds.

 

[vi edit]

Finally: The All-Electric Rivian R1T Takes On The World's Toughest Towing Test! - YouTube

/shrug just watching rivian in action video seems well done.

strange but the charge they did at walmart cost 18$ for 37% refill at what seemed like a LONG wait ugh i guess ill cancel my order

Didn't watch the video but electrify America rates are $.31 per kwh. Rivian truck is 135 kwh battery. Worst case it's about $42 from empty.

Subscription is $4 a month. EA is the most common high speed chargers out there.

Something comparable in a gas engine with that much speed and luxury is going to be $100+ to fill up on premium.

The Rivian is even cheaper if you charge at home.

 

[thecoolnessrune]

Since a lot of farm homesteads have 3 phase on the property for machinery, I wonder if we'll start seeing in-roads into "Home Use" DC charging. Moving to 150 or 200kWh battery packs in heavy haul trucks would be a good use case for 3-phase AC -> 25kW DCFC on-property to keep 20% -> 80% charge times in the 4-6 hour range without getting into really large optionally 3-phase inverters on-board, while still getting around the limits of high current single phase. Those using their trucks more casually, or just on standard run-about days will still be able to use the onboard inverter that will continue being good for ~11kW, but on-property DCFC would add some additional level of acceptance I would think for commercial operations that need to make sure their truck is ready by the next day.

 

[pauldun170]

Cool video from hagerty

 

[Kaido]

Cool video from hagerty

3-second 0 to 60 in a pickup truck. We live in wild times lol

 

[Kaido]

NEED

 

[herm0016]

munro on youtube is doing a teardown of a Rivian.

i wish i had 3 phase on my little farm. Rural Single wire for us. 3 phase at the road, but that's about a 1/4 mile.

 

[vi edit]

I've seen three Rivian's in Portland in the last week. It's much smaller than I expected. Looks great though. That blue is beautiful. That was at Costco, and on the way home saw a dark gray one on the road.

 

[Zorba]

Finally: The All-Electric Rivian R1T Takes On The World's Toughest Towing Test! - YouTube

/shrug just watching rivian in action video seems well done.

strange but the charge they did at walmart cost 18$ for 37% refill at what seemed like a LONG wait ugh i guess ill cancel my order

Wow, I'm shocked at how little re-gen they got. My Forester loves doing the Ike. I can start at the top and get all the way to Breckenridge my trip computer will report over 70 MPG.

 

[thecoolnessrune]

Wow, I'm shocked at how little re-gen they got. My Forester loves doing the Ike. I can start at the top and get all the way to Breckenridge my trip computer will report over 70 MPG.

I didn't see it in the video but does the Rivian have any display of kW or Joules going in and out of the system at any one time? I know on Teslas you can expect maybe 60% overall efficiency in re-capturing energy. You'd think going downhill with that much mass would be generating some noticeable energy that you'd see coming into the system. But during the test the Rivian vehicle noted that it wasn't using physical brakes. And I'd be almost certain that they aren't just bleeding heat into the surrounding air from Regen that the battery isn't accepting. So is the regeneration efficiency just really small, maybe due to motor size? Otherwise if it's capable of high amounts of regeneration, and it's not using its physical brakes, I do wonder where all that energy is going.

 

[Zorba]

I didn't see it in the video but does the Rivian have any display of kW or Joules going in and out of the system at any one time? I know on Teslas you can expect maybe 60% overall efficiency in re-capturing energy. You'd think going downhill with that much mass would be generating some noticeable energy that you'd see coming into the system. But during the test the Rivian vehicle noted that it wasn't using physical brakes. And I'd be almost certain that they aren't just bleeding heat into the surrounding air from Regen that the battery isn't accepting. So is the regeneration efficiency just really small, maybe due to motor size? Otherwise if it's capable of high amounts of regeneration, and it's not using its physical brakes, I do wonder where all that energy is going.

After reading the comments on YouTube, I think it probably was using the trailer brakes. The testers didn't think it did, but didn't know for sure.

But the energy has to go somewhere, either heat in the brakes, heat on a resister, or into the battery.

 

[herm0016]

After reading the comments on YouTube, I think it probably was using the trailer brakes. The testers didn't think it did, but didn't know for sure.

But the energy has to go somewhere, either heat in the brakes, heat on a resister, or into the battery.

this is a good point, if the trailer brakes are properly adjusted they should be braking the total weight of the trailer. on an EV you may want to adjust them to a lower level so that you can take advantage of the momentum with regen. interesting thing to try out if you have an EV that can tow.

I like the trailer to pull on the truck a bit in a hard braking situation, as it keeps things in line, if the truck is stopping faster than the trailer you can get into a situation, esp on a down hill on a hard brake that the trailer will push the rear of the truck sideways. this from experience towing with an f350 loads 15k+ in the mountain's of Wyoming and Colorado in all manner of weather and mountain passes getting to and from oil rigs for many years.

 

[evident]

Someone down the street from my house just got one. It looks really nice. I know nothing about it except that its stock has tanked lately. Is this company going to survive?

 

[bigi]

Someone down the street from my house just got one. It looks really nice. I know nothing about it except that its stock has tanked lately. Is this company going to survive?

The probability of survival is low. Without Amazon pumping billions into it, it'd been dead already. Amazon has lost $7.6 billion already.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/04/28/ama...oss-on-rivian-stake-from-q1-stock-plunge.html


Production en-mass is hard. Production en-mass with profit is extermely hard.

 

[Commodus]

The probability of survival is low. Without Amazon pumping billions into it, it'd been dead already. Amazon has lost $7.6 billion already.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/04/28/ama...oss-on-rivian-stake-from-q1-stock-plunge.html


Production en-mass is hard. Production en-mass with profit is extermely hard.

Reminds me of what Marques Brownlee said in a recent video. Many companies can get to the point where they produce working EV prototypes and raise funding. It's another matter entirely to translate that to production, especially mass production that helps recoup the initial investment.

Lucid is in a similar boat, I reckon. It has great tech, and it's shipping production cars, but will it boost volumes to the point where it's expanding its lineup and competing with established brands? That's the unknown.