Rock Band 3 Official Thread

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KentState

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Yeah, it's a lot of fun, but it's not a "pick up and play" kind of thing. Definitely something you need to practice. That takes away some of the immediate gratification of hitting 95% on your first run through a song, but with practice, you can feel much more engaged with the music.

Also, that means it's not great for parties. I've had several RB parties and I always set the keyboard on non-pro mode. It would just be too frustrating for guests to try to play along with the pro mode while everyone else is rocking out on five colored buttons.

I just got a few of the Billy Joel songs (including Piano Man, of course), and I'm looking forward to playing them on my own, perhaps with the mic stand set up so I can feel like the Piano Man himself.

The Pro instruments are great because you feel like you are playing the notes or drums as they are in the song. I struggle mightily with non-pro keys and regular guitar.
 

torpid

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The Pro instruments are great because you feel like you are playing the notes or drums as they are in the song.

Most keyboards have more than two octaves. Even the toy ones I had as a kid. I have played only briefly in pro mode but it was very weird to have the same key make multiple sounds in pro mode if we are trying to achieve "real keys" - my midi adapter finally shipped so we will see if it works more meaningfully with a real keyboard.
 

Pheran

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Most keyboards have more than two octaves. Even the toy ones I had as a kid. I have played only briefly in pro mode but it was very weird to have the same key make multiple sounds in pro mode if we are trying to achieve "real keys" - my midi adapter finally shipped so we will see if it works more meaningfully with a real keyboard.

Torpid, if you are expecting the charting to change in any way with a real keyboard you will be disappointed, it's still limited to two octaves on screen. I don't know how the additional octaves on a real keyboard are mapped back onto the two octaves the games uses though.
 
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torpid

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Torpid, if you are expecting the charting to change in any way with a real keyboard you will be disappointed, it's still limited to two octaves on screen. I don't know how the additional octaves on a real keyboard are mapped back onto the two octaves the games uses though.

That's too bad... but I have a friend with midi drums and a friend with a midi keyboard, so I guess I'll find out soon enough!
 

hdeck

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is it safe to assume that when you import rock band 2 songs into rock band 3 they won't have the vocal harmonies?
 

Pheran

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Correct. And that goes for dlc other than rock band 3-specific dlc too.

This is mostly true. There is actually some old DLC that happened to have harmonies hidden in it, including some Green Day and Pearl Jam tracks.

It's also worth noting that Rock Band 3 allows you to have up to 3 players singing even on songs that have no harmonies, which is a huge plus at parties. People unfamiliar with the game don't care if there are harmonies are not, they just like to be able to sing with their friends.
 

hdeck

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This is mostly true. There is actually some old DLC that happened to have harmonies hidden in it, including some Green Day and Pearl Jam tracks.

It's also worth noting that Rock Band 3 allows you to have up to 3 players singing even on songs that have no harmonies, which is a huge plus at parties. People unfamiliar with the game don't care if there are harmonies are not, they just like to be able to sing with their friends.

thanks for the info, guys. good to know.
 

Pheran

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Here's an interesting hack. Someone put together a hardware hack that allows a regular guitar to work with Rock Band 3's pro mode.

http://game2midi.sourceforge.net/

It looks like they use a string pickup and translate the strums into MIDI events for the game. There are some downsides - since there are no neck sensors in a normal guitar, you don't get any feedback about where your hands are positioned from the in-game "wave", and I have to imagine that some songs might have issues because there's more than one way to produce some notes, and this device has no way of knowing where your hands really are. I'm still waiting for the Squier, but I have to give them props for a neat hack.
 
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Pheran

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In other pro guitar news, there's now talk that the You Rock Guitar, a very interesting MIDI guitar product, will get an update that allows it to work with RB pro mode. Info is sparse right now, but here's a snip from the You Rock announcement:

1) You Rock Digital free Firmware Upgrade, Version 2.0 for You Rock Guitar

Access downloadable sounds and loops from the You Rock Shop™: (For more information see You Rock Shop below.) Rock Band™3 enabled (needs Mad Catz® MIDI Pro-Adapter™ available for Xbox Box 360®, Wii™ and Play Station®3).

So once this firmware is updated, it will plug into the MIDI pro adapter just like the Squier. I don't view this as a replacement for a real guitar like the Squier, but it seems like it could be a superior alternative to the Mustang, especially since it has the full 22 frets instead of the Mustang's 17.

EDIT: Correction, it appears that the firmware update was actually released yesterday! I'm looking forward to some reviews from the You Rock owners about how well this works.
 
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Slickdeals front page has AC/DC track pack for $5, and Lego track pack for ~$10. Cheap way to add a bunch of songs.
 

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Slickdeals front page has AC/DC track pack for $5, and Lego track pack for ~$10. Cheap way to add a bunch of songs.

Searched all around SD and there's no mention of any lego track pack on that site, let alone a recent one. I did see the AC/DC pack on there though.

Anyway, I bought RB3 yesterday and got the cymbal kit. It's been working pretty well for me so far and I'm a big fan of how the game works now. I'm having problems linking my account to the site online, but there hasn't been a rock band game yet that works properly so I'm just expecting too much I guess.
 

Pheran

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A new RB3 patch is out for the 360 and should be available for PS3 within 24 hours. This fixes a whole raft of issues that people have been complaining about (including the "missing DLC week" songs), and even adds some support back for the stage kit! Also, the plumbing for the upcoming RBN 2.0 songs is in this patch. The release notes are somewhat lengthy so just follow the link to check them out. As usual, the Wii is screwed since Nintendo is too incompetent to allow patching.

To summarize January 31st:

Intel - epic fail
Harmonix - epic win

 
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KentState

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I'm interested in seeing how the transparency has been fixed. I'm glad to see them still working on the game this far after launch.

I also picked up the AC/DC and Lego games on Amazon for ~$20 total. Not as cheap as the $5 deal, but that's still a steal when songs are typically $1 as DLC.

Also getting close to the launch of the Fender pro guitar. I know it's just a cheap electric one, but it seems to be a good way to get into play the guitar.
 

Pheran

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The Squier is getting closer! Here's a really nice demo video that goes up to 1080p. It shows some of the included pro guitar training as well.
 

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The Squier is getting closer! Here's a really nice demo video that goes up to 1080p. It shows some of the included pro guitar training as well.

Very, very cool. Amazingly accurate when playing real notes at high speed (check out Crazy Train in last half of video) - this was no doubt a great engineering coup on the part of Fender.

What's the good word - is it necessary to pre-order to actually get a guitar? I'm hoping interest has chilled enough to actually get in on one of these.

And do the songs that came with RB3 have the pro parts built in? I know we have to pay $1 more for pro parts on DLC.

Here's a review of the guitar controller from the folks at Premier Guitar: http://digital.premierguitar.com/premierguitar/201101_1?pg=238&search_term=fender squier rock band&search_term=fender squier rock band#pg238. Very good article, honest and thorough. Not suprising that vibrato and string bends actually register as mis-hits in RB3 - I was expecting this, but it's still a bummer.
 
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Pheran

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What's the good word - is it necessary to pre-order to actually get a guitar? I'm hoping interest has chilled enough to actually get in on one of these.

And do the songs that came with RB3 have the pro parts built in? I know we have to pay $1 more for pro parts on DLC.

I don't think you have to pre-order, but I don't know what supply/demand will be like when they are released. I haven't pre-ordered, so if I have to wait longer so be it.

All of the RB3 on-disc songs have built-in pro guitar/bass.
 

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I highly doubt that with the high cost these will go terribly fast. I'd be surprised if we see them sold out for any large span of time.
 

Pheran

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I just ordered the MIDI Pro adapter from Gameshark (the Madcatz store), which is showing in-stock for the 360 right now. Step 1 of my Squier acquisition!
 

Pheran

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Matt from Rose of Jericho (a very cool RBN band!) has posted a very detailed and well-produced 3-part video review of the Squier guitar. My Squier is on order now but I'm not sure about the ETA yet.

RoJ Squier Review Part 1
RoJ Squier Review Part 2
RoJ Squier Review Part 3

EDIT: I hadn't finished watching the whole review when I posted this. If you only ever see one review of the Squier, this is the one to watch! This review is absolutely fantastic and covers the strengths and weaknesses of the guitar. The only criticism I have is that all of the video shows the pro guitar gameplay on expert, which is going to look pretty insane. Keep in mind there are 3 easier difficulty levels.
 
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Matt from Rose of Jericho (a very cool RBN band!) has posted a very detailed and well-produced 3-part video review of the Squier guitar. My Squier is on order now but I'm not sure about the ETA yet.

RoJ Squier Review Part 1
RoJ Squier Review Part 2
RoJ Squier Review Part 3

Excellent review. Looks like this guitar is much more about sitting down to learn music than playing at a Rock Band party. Not surprisingly, the game won't magically allow you to play a real song if you haven't practiced it a lot. I assume there are different levels (easy, medium, hard, expert) even on Pro, although the review shows only expert (to show the actual song). Maybe the easy and medium modes are easier to sightread so you could actually play at a party.

In regard to the build quality, I'm a little concerned about the problem he had with tuning and intonation. That bending hollow neck is not great - you could see how it might be impossible to actually ever tune it, since each string will knock the other strings out of tune as it pulls the neck up.
 
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Pheran

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Excellent review. Looks like this guitar is much more about sitting down to learn music than playing at a Rock Band party. Not surprisingly, the game won't magically allow you to play a real song if you haven't practiced it a lot. I assume there are different levels (easy, medium, hard, expert) even on Pro, although the review shows only expert (to show the actual song). Maybe the easy and medium modes are easier to sightread so you could actually play at a party.

Yes, see my edit that came after your reply.

In regard to the build quality, I'm a little concerned about the problem he had with tuning and intonation. That bending hollow neck is not great - you could see how it might be impossible to actually ever tune it, since each string will knock the other strings out of tune as it pulls the neck up.

Matt posted a bit more on this in the forum thread for the review. Basically he acknowledges that while the guitar does have issues as a real guitar, anyone who wants to get serious about playing after they learn the basics will need to upgrade to a more intermediate guitar down the line regardless. On the off chance that I get that far, I have no problem getting a better real guitar and keeping the Squier for a game controller.
 

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Yes, see my edit that came after your reply.



Matt posted a bit more on this in the forum thread for the review. Basically he acknowledges that while the guitar does have issues as a real guitar, anyone who wants to get serious about playing after they learn the basics will need to upgrade to a more intermediate guitar down the line regardless. On the off chance that I get that far, I have no problem getting a better real guitar and keeping the Squier for a game controller.

For me, it will come down to how badly I actually want to learn the songs on RB3. Since I already have an electric guitar, I don't need the Squier, and given how hard it is to sightread real guitar notes at full speed, I probably wouldn't use the Squier at a party (which is how I usually play my RB3). I'm starting to think the plastic Mustang pro guitar might actually be more fun to play the game with (and it's way cheaper right now). My neighbor has one, so maybe I'll try it out before purchasing anything.

Thanks for the review links. Very helpful.
 

Pheran

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For me, it will come down to how badly I actually want to learn the songs on RB3. Since I already have an electric guitar, I don't need the Squier, and given how hard it is to sightread real guitar notes at full speed, I probably wouldn't use the Squier at a party (which is how I usually play my RB3). I'm starting to think the plastic Mustang pro guitar might actually be more fun to play the game with (and it's way cheaper right now). My neighbor has one, so maybe I'll try it out before purchasing anything.

Thanks for the review links. Very helpful.

You should also check out the You Rock Guitar, it's basically a Mustang+ as far as Rock Band is concerned. It has 22 frets instead of the Mustang's 17 and a bunch of other non-RB capabilities as well. However, like the Squier, it has no 5-button support on Xbox. The Mustang does support 5-button but some people have said it sucks for that use.

EDIT: I noticed that You Rock posted a comparison chart comparing all three of the pro guitars.
 
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