News Roe v. Wade overturned

[eelw]

Link?

TV segment. Hopefully they will have on their site later

 

[Captante]

Fathers have only one time for input, when they engage in sexual intercourse or sperm donation. They have no right of input after that. The choice to carry or not is totally a woman's right. How did you manage to get this wrong, not that I will be successful in convincing you of it?

While it may be redundant to actually bother posting this, WT actual F are you talking about?



Read the thread prior to posting and you won't appear nearly as silly.... next time find somebody who actually DISAGREE'S with you to argue with!

 

[SMOGZINN]

I want to make sure that you are saying that the Democrats do not do everything in their power to gain and retain control? Just to be clear.

Outside of impeaching a President twice on faked and manipulated "evidence", controlling the vast majority of mass information communication outlets and centers of learning, censoring dissent political views, influencing elections with mass disinformation campaigns and potentially colluding with several different foreign governments and entities, Gerrymandering voting districts via uncontrolled "immigration", coordinating with corrupt domestic terrorist organizations to occupy parts of several cities and enabling a nationwide rioting and arson campaign, and establishing a DOJ agency headed by unelected individuals to judge disinformation just to name a few.

I can see where you are disappointed in the efforts by the Democrats. The Constitution and Democracy hasn't been totally shredded.

You don't even pretend to think about any of this critically anymore, you just repeat whatever Tucker Carlson tells you.
I could refute every point you made, it is all laughable easy to do, but why bother? You would just act surprised that you were once again duped and then in two weeks and say it all again.

 

[Moonbeam]

Funny, here I thought rights to freedoms per-person were self-evident and implied. Human rights aren't encoded in our constitution, the govt's limits are.

No authoritarian Democrat believes that. You have human rights that don't scare them. If you feel threatening look out.

 

[eelw]

You don't even pretend to think about any of this critically anymore, you just repeat whatever Tucker Carlson tells you.
I could refute every point you made, it is all laughable easy to do, but why bother? You would just act surprised that you were once again duped and then in two weeks and say it all again.

Without clicking ignored post, bet he’s complaining about impeachment and Russian collusion.

 

[soulcougher73]

you do realize both sides gerrymander right? both parties are equally guilty?

Do you realize the GOP unanimously voted to keep gerrymandering legal, while the Dems voted unanimously to end it? Do you know the GOP gerrymanders 75% more often then the Dems do? The fact the GOP wants it legal should tell you all you need to know about that party. "Cant beat em, cheat me"

 

[Moonbeam]

While it may be redundant to actually bother posting this, WT actual F are you talking about?



Read the thread prior to posting and you won't appear nearly as silly.... next time find somebody who actually DISAGREE'S with you to argue with!

"I support the right of fathers to have SOME input" Fathers have no such right beyond the one I mentioned. I read the thread up to your post saying you support them having some.

 

[SMOGZINN]

Without clicking ignored post, bet he’s complaining about impeachment and Russian collusion.

Pretty much. A political rant straight from Tuckertown. Evil Democrats are the ones trying to overthrow the government, mostly by preventing Trump from doing so.

 

[soulcougher73]

What if you live in Alaska?

Are they legal in Russia? Ive heard you can see it from your backyard or something. They can just walk over?

 

[Captante]

"I support the right of fathers to have SOME input" Fathers have no such right beyond the one I mentioned. I read the thread up to your post saying you support them having some.

So in your world "SOME input" equals the right to force a woman to carry her child to term?

Really? (this kind of nonsense is why so many here disrespect you)

You genuinely believe that an involved father has ZERO right to even express a valid opinion about having a child that he helped conceive? (AND is obligated to support)

Because that's what I was talking about... your assumption was not correct.

 

[Moonbeam]

I want to make sure that you are saying that the Democrats do not do everything in their power to gain and retain control? Just to be clear.

Outside of impeaching a President twice on faked and manipulated "evidence", controlling the vast majority of mass information communication outlets and centers of learning, censoring dissent political views, influencing elections with mass disinformation campaigns and potentially colluding with several different foreign governments and entities, Gerrymandering voting districts via uncontrolled "immigration", coordinating with corrupt domestic terrorist organizations to occupy parts of several cities and enabling a nationwide rioting and arson campaign, and establishing a DOJ agency headed by unelected individuals to judge disinformation just to name a few.

I can see where you are disappointed in the efforts by the Democrats. The Constitution and Democracy hasn't been totally shredded.

Gosh, just the kind of support that would accrue naturally to the better of the two parties at least among people not brainwashed into an alternate reality. Of course, from that alternate reality what you say would seem obvious. Think what you would stand to lose if you were wrong.

 

[soulcougher73]

Oh the hand wringing. Between Moonpie and Gothewhatever might as well make my plans to move to Belize now.

I was just there 3 weeks ago. Not a bad place. Might consider it

 

[Bitek]

@all replies

Let's take stock of the overall electoral success of the Democratic party to judge if they have truly been effective with their strategies and positions.

Federal:
Currently control US house by 17 seats, and Senate is 50-50.
-Razor thin margins headed into a tough midterm season. Highly probable they will lose control of one or both.

WH:
Won 7 of last 8 popular votes, only won 5 terms.

Which led to...

SC:
As said, conservatives hold 6-3,
3 conservatives are in their 50s.
Thomas and Alito are 73 and 71 respectively

Retirement age has trended over 80yrs old.

Conservatives have the court locked for at least the next 10-15yrs.

State level:
2022
Senates:
R control: 32
D control: 18

Houses:
R control: 30
D control: 18

Don't have a handy graph to show the history, but Rs control legislatures at nearly a 2:1 ratio, and they've been blunted much of the decade due to losing control of the redistricting process in most states, and have not figured out a good counter.

Now the Rs are working at controlling the local school boards and going hyper local. Again, another area of surprise attack that caught Ds sleeping.

The but but Hillary is just one instance. Ds have been continuously outplayed at every level. Really the only advantage they have is POTUS, and to marginal effect.

They have been on a continuous decline since at least 1994, if not the 70s.

I can't see how anyone can look at this track record of failure and not call for a complete overhaul of the party.

 

[Moonbeam]

So in your world "SOME input" equals the right to force a woman to carry her child to term?

Really? (this kind of nonsense is why so many here disrespect you)

You genuinely believe that an involved father has ZERO right to even express a valid opinion about having a child that he helped conceive? (AND is obligated to support)

Because that's what I was talking about... your ASS-umption was not correct.

He has none on whether the woman decides to carry or not. Too bad about being obliged to support. Work that out before having sex. Get a contract guaranteeing she won't abort. Don't cry later.

 

[Captante]

Nevermind.

 

[Captante]

I can't see how anyone can look at this track record of failure and not call for a complete overhaul of the party

THANK YOU !!!!!!!!! At least somebody finally said it!

NOW if ONLY we could force a damn clue into their heads before its REALLY too late.... except I'm pretty sure it already is for this Congress AND the Biden presidency.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Like abortion will reman legal in NM for long.

New Mexico is pretty solidly blue at the state level.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

No authoritarian Democrat believes that. You have human rights that don't scare them. If you feel threatening look out.

Fuck authoritarians. Line every fucking one up in front of a firing squad. I'm pretty goddamned sick of it.

 

[cytg111]

So in your world "SOME input" equals the right to force a woman to carry her child to term?

Really? (this kind of nonsense is why so many here disrespect you)

You genuinely believe that an involved father has ZERO right to even express a valid opinion about having a child that he helped conceive? (AND is obligated to support)

Because that's what I was talking about... your ASS-umption was not correct.


EDIT: You are ONE brain-dead post away from joining Brandon BS on my blocked list.

I always assume moonie is playing some angle setting up a trap with these things however right here I agree with him. You as the doner of course have a voice, it just doesnt weigh anything… lets get facts straight you’re not an involved father cause you’re not a father yet. Its 100% the woman’s provocative to keep it or not, men should have NO legal standing on the issue at all.
After the fact? Hell yea, men needs more rights, I understand its even worse over there but man the planet is stuck in the past in terms of men and their rights in fatherhood.

 

[dphantom]

Is pregnancy a deadly contagious disease?

ah, so it depends

 

[dphantom]

I'm sure you think the laws forcing you to conceal your dick in public are very unfair.

interesting non sequitur

 

[cytg111]

Fuck authoritarians. Line every fucking one up in front of a firing squad. I'm pretty goddamned sick of it.

To be fair that is sort of what they’re trying to do to us, fuck us over. Maybe we should reverse the polarity on the flow of the fucking.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

To be fair that is sort of what they’re trying to do to us, fuck us over. Maybe we should reverse the polarity on the flow of the fucking.

So just start adding Clinton to all their names? Think it's that easy?

 

[Bitek]

No, Clinton had just cultivated relationships in the Democratic Party for decades, something Sanders failed to do. Turns out

2016 saw a contested primary and Sanders lost fair and square. He lost again in 2020, fair and square. At least in 2020 he learned his lesson and dropped out after it was clear he couldn't win, unlike in 2016.

So that's a yes, they were the largest nexus of power in the party. All the loyalists who owed their political careers to the former president, senator, first lady and secretary of state... all the backers and donor networks, all the other candidates that didn't run in deference to challenging the Clintons.

Sanders was an outsider, yes, but more importantly, Obama never built an organizational structure to rival the Clinton center of power.

He left, there was no bench to backfill.

Really, the alternative is what, we organically had a primary where the 2016 candidate were: Hilary again, an aging quixotic socialist not part actually a member of the party, and some random white guy no one remembers and no one voted for.

That's it.

No one else.

Not one inspiring politico dared jump into the race.

The masses cried out for Hillary and all others were scared away?

But everyone and their grandma ran in 2020 after the Clinton machine lost, yet again, and there was no heir apparent.

 

[cytg111]

So just start adding Clinton to all their names? Think it's that easy?

Assume control of the Q? Maybe…