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Captante

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While it's interesting to discuss/debate these scenarios, the reality on the ground is that the GOP is taking control for aN generation ELECTION-CYCLE or two.

Fixed. (be realistic)

And upvoted not because I approve but because with the moronic strategy Biden and the Dem's are using I agree its inevitable.

You KNOW that if roles were reversed here the GOP would do literally anything to stay in power but not our gutless dem-leaders.
 
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[DHT]Osiris

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Democrats have consistently offered to end partisan gerrymandering by law if the Republicans agreed. Rs never take them up on it.
Wait until he realizes that Democratic districts that look gerrymandered come from Republican submissions, it's just the stuff left over.
 
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fskimospy

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The ONE possible defense I might buy into about sparing the Filibuster is that AFTER WE LOSE THE HOUSE AND SENATE it might well turn around and bite us in the rear-end.

Of course NOT reforming the filibuster will really grease the skids for the above outcome because then NOTHING will get passed! THAT is the problem!

This sort of "nothing" action is what people are coming to expect from Biden and the current crop of Democrats and it WILL end in disaster.
1) The idea that conservatives would not eliminate the filibuster if it stood in the way of their policy goals is a fantasy. Here's the reality - what they care about is tax cuts and the filibuster is ALREADY eliminated for that. The current situation that exists is that Democratic priorities need 60 votes and Republican priorities need 50.

2) People say the filibuster saves things like the ACA - sad fact is the Republicans had a plan to wreck the ACA using only 50 votes. Their obstacle is they couldn't muster 50 votes, not 60.

The filibuster is a fundamentally antidemocratic mistake that was never part of the Constitution. It thwarts democracy, it does not protect it. If the argument against it is that when they are in power Republicans will enact their agenda I say that's good. That's what's supposed to happen when you win power!
 

fskimospy

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Wait until he realizes that Democratic districts that look gerrymandered come from Republican submissions, it's just the stuff left over.
Also unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on your views on democracy) courts in Democratic states like New York take their anti-gerrymandering mandates far more seriously than Republican states with similar or even stronger gerrymandering prohibitions. So Democratic gerrymanders get struck down, Republican ones get upheld, because Republican judges don't actually care about the rule of law.
 

hal2kilo

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they voted for the elected officials. majority vote won. It does go both ways, the pro-life people in blue states whose politicians make abortion easier. Unlike most people, i can see both sides, leaving it up to the states to make their own laws kinda does make sense, majority view in that state will be expressed by the laws in that state. If you live in California, would you want Texas making the laws you have to follow? And the other way, Texas doesnt want California/New York making laws they have to follow
So rights only exist in certain states. Got it.
 
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Brovane

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This change will mostly impact woman of lower socio-economic standing. The daughter from a wealthy family in Texas that gets knocked up "accidentally" by the Captain of the Football team. The parents will quietly arrange for her to fly to California with the Mom and get treated at a private clinic. She will probably even be given a couple of extra days to shop will in CA. It will be sold as a mother-daughter vacation to CA. They can probably even arrange it so they will not even miss a Sunday service at the nearest mega-church in Texas. However the young minority woman who works 2-3 jobs to get by will not have that luxury. They will probably have to seek a illegal abortion in Texas, cross the border to Mexico to get a abortion in some back alley etc. If Texas does try to punish people that travel out of state for a abortion. Can you guess which one that Law Enforcement will make it a priority to go after?
 

Captante

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1) The idea that conservatives would not eliminate the filibuster if it stood in the way of their policy goals is a fantasy. Here's the reality - what they care about is tax cuts and the filibuster is ALREADY eliminated for that. The current situation that exists is that Democratic priorities need 60 votes and Republican priorities need 50.

2) People say the filibuster saves things like the ACA - sad fact is the Republicans had a plan to wreck the ACA using only 50 votes. Their obstacle is they couldn't muster 50 votes, not 60.

The filibuster is a fundamentally antidemocratic mistake that was never part of the Constitution. It thwarts democracy, it does not protect it. If the argument against it is that when they are in power Republicans will enact their agenda I say that's good. That's what's supposed to happen when you win power!


I agree with everything you posted here EXCEPT I have ZERO doubt the Filibuster would instantly be toast if it seriously stood in the GOP's way.

You're giving those traitorous bastages WAY too much credit.
 

fskimospy

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I agree with everything you posted here EXCEPT I have ZERO doubt the Filibuster would instantly be toast if it seriously stood in the GOP's way.

You're giving those traitorous bastages WAY too much credit.
I think there’s some confusion here, I completely agree the filibuster would instantly be toast if it stood in their way which is another reason why keeping it has no value.
 

hal2kilo

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Man who could not predict an election two days in advance now predicting elections 40 years in the future.
Oh the hand wringing. Between Moonpie and Gothewhatever might as well make my plans to move to Belize now.
 

eelw

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I know the likelihood is low, but pretend Thomas leaked this. With all the R’s calling for the head of the leaker. Can’t wait for them to change their tune when they discover the leaker.

And my earlier comment on impeaching the liars during their confirmation hearing. Imagine 4 spots opening up for Biden to fill.
 
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Captante

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I think there’s some confusion here, I completely agree the filibuster would instantly be toast if it stood in their way which is another reason why keeping it has no value.

Apparently I misunderstood.... completely agreed.
 

fskimospy

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I know the likelihood is low, but pretend Thomas leaked this. With all the R’s calling for the head of the leaker. Can’t wait for them to change their tune when they discover the leaker.
The three prevailing theories I’ve seen are:

1) liberals leaking to try and pressure someone in the majority to defect
2) faced with pressure from roberts to defect, conservatives leaking to attempt to lock people in.
3) some idiot who saw a big and consequential decision and decided to leak it.

And my earlier comment on impeaching the liars during their confirmation hearing. Imagine 4 spots opening up for Biden to fill.
If you can’t get 50 votes to expand the court I tend to doubt you can get 67 to remove people from it.
 

theeedude

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Seems people hear what they want. If Roe vs Wade gets overturned, it will not end abortion. It would leave it up to the states. how is that bad? If the majority of people in a state want it one way, thats how they will vote and what they will get. I am pro-choice with some restrictions (i think an abortion up until birth should not be legal for example). If the majority of people in a state want abortion to be legal up until the moment of birth, they can have that. Abortion is NOT in the constitution at all. When someone says they are loosing their constitutional right, where in the constitution does it say anything about abortion. Not one single person will loose the right to an abortion. It will be legal in many states, many states will have restitrictions. Guess whart? You can travel and/or move to any state in our country you want! Move to a state that is more in line with your beliefs. It really is that simple.
You don't really think these fascists will stop at leaving it at the state level?
 
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brandonbull

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Upvoted not because I approve but because with the moronic strategy Biden and the Dem's are using I agree its inevitable.

You KNOW that if roles were reversed here the GOP would do literally anything to stay in power but not our gutless dem-leaders.
I want to make sure that you are saying that the Democrats do not do everything in their power to gain and retain control? Just to be clear.

Outside of impeaching a President twice on faked and manipulated "evidence", controlling the vast majority of mass information communication outlets and centers of learning, censoring dissent political views, influencing elections with mass disinformation campaigns and potentially colluding with several different foreign governments and entities, Gerrymandering voting districts via uncontrolled "immigration", coordinating with corrupt domestic terrorist organizations to occupy parts of several cities and enabling a nationwide rioting and arson campaign, and establishing a DOJ agency headed by unelected individuals to judge disinformation just to name a few.

I can see where you are disappointed in the efforts by the Democrats. The Constitution and Democracy hasn't been totally shredded.
 
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Captante

Lifer
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WTF??? CNN segment covering some of the insane bills. Missouri - any fetus conceived in the state automatically considered citizen of the state.

OMG.... that passes and I'll be a citizen of (gasp) NEW JOISEY!
 

cytg111

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I want to make sure that you are saying that the Democrats do not do everything in their power to gain and retain control? Just to be clear.

Outside of impeaching a President twice on faked and manipulated "evidence", controlling the vast majority of mass information communication outlets and centers of learning, censoring dissent political views, influencing elections with mass disinformation campaigns and potentially colluding with several different foreign governments and entities, Gerrymandering voting districts via uncontrolled "immigration", coordinating with corrupt domestic terrorist organizations to occupy parts of several cities and enabling a nationwide rioting and arson campaign, and establishing a DOJ agency headed by unelected individuals to judge disinformation just to name a few.

I can see where you are disappointed in the efforts by the Democrats. The Constitution and Democracy hasn't been totally shredded.
What did I just read? Pedo pizza space laser magnetic vaxx?
 

Moonbeam

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Bottom line there are VERY FEW people on this mostly female-free forum that have any right at all to make these kind of decisions.

Of course that doesn't even slow down the "Great Americans" in the disgusting GOP.

I support the right of fathers to have SOME input but fathers don't have to walk around with a baby in their guts for 9 months.
Fathers have only one time for input, when they engage in sexual intercourse or sperm donation. They have no right of input after that. The choice to carry or not is totally a woman's right. How did you manage to get this wrong, not that I will be successful in convincing you of it?
 
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