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filmore crashcart

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Nope. Got sick of reading all the threads about it. Don't care for Bill Gates anymore, and have little love for Steve Jobs. I'm too lazy to deal with Linux.
I don't want to throw away a perfectly good printer, web cam, and whatever else because it will not work with Vista. I don't care about Areo Sheen. I don't care how much faster it takes to load. I don't care about paying Bill Gates more money for anything.
Remember that Ramones song "I Don't Care"? That's what runs through my head every time I read about Vista.
 

imported_Troy McClure

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UAC has been a source of bleating from people who (for some reason) want their Vista to behave like a glorified Windows98, but I think it's a feature whose time has come. Having used the low-rights approach on WinXP Pro and Win2000, I find Vista makes it easier. Give it a chance, people... it's like seatbelts in your car. You might have to fasten them 5,000 times before they save you from serious harm one day. Don't disable UAC lightly.

Not to go off topic....ok, off topic but UAC is a pain in the butt and I don't believe it will have the affect MS thinks it will with people who are not savy. Think about how many times you see a computer user just click yes and agree not really knowing what they clicked yes to. I've turned mine off but I've been around since edlin and before starting my own gig was a net admin so I think I understand what my computer is running.

Troy
 

RebateMonger

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For me, there's no urgent need to migrate to Vista. My clients don't use it yet and there's little it does that XP can't do.

As noted, there's a big risk of "old" hardware not working with Vista. Like my 2-year-old Toshiba laptop. And scanners, multi-function printers, and USB Homer Simpson.

From a "work" standpoint, I'm optimistic that Vista will allow me to support my clients better, with quicker diagnosis of problems, less likely trojan installation, and easy windows imaging and re-installation if necessary.
 

adairusmc

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Originally posted by: rxblitzrx
Originally posted by: adairusmc
Same here. Absolutely no issues at all for me. It works flawlessly on my system, and runs better than XP did.

You can keep your worthless pain medication, I get better stuff from the VA anyways - which I will use in case I have to use an XP machine again.

VA benefits are pretty nice but I think they don't cover family if you leave service. You should be covered for life though right?


I am permanently disabled with a 70% service connected rating, so yeah, I get everything for life for free. Don't know about family though. I am not in the military anymore though, medical separation.
 

stevem326

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It's good to hear so many positive things about Vista. I bought a new PC in December so I'm eligible to upgrade from XP Pro to Vista Business for just a shipping and handling charge ($12.92). I should have it in about four weeks but I'm still debating on whether to install it then or wait until SP1 comes out. XP is actually a very good OS, in my opinion, and SP3 is coming out for it in the summer.
 

Lepard

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Originally posted by: filmore crashcart
Nope. Got sick of reading all the threads about it. Don't care for Bill Gates anymore, and have little love for Steve Jobs. I'm too lazy to deal with Linux.
I don't want to throw away a perfectly good printer, web cam, and whatever else because it will not work with Vista. I don't care about Areo Sheen. I don't care how much faster it takes to load. I don't care about paying Bill Gates more money for anything.
Remember that Ramones song "I Don't Care"? That's what runs through my head every time I read about Vista.

Then why come into a Vista thread?

Anyway, I have had no problems with Vista on my 2 machines (desktop and laptop) either. UAC is not annoying, it is a necessary evil. Yes, over time people will just click on allow, however, would you prefer that it told you no you cannot run this program because it is not recognized...

The only thing I hate about UAC is how it dims the monitor (is there anyway to stop it from doing that?).

Originally posted by: stevem326
It's good to hear so many positive things about Vista. I bought a new PC in December so I'm eligible to upgrade from XP Pro to Vista Business for just a shipping and handling charge ($12.92). I should have it in about four weeks but I'm still debating on whether to install it then or wait until SP1 comes out. XP is actually a very good OS, in my opinion, and SP3 is coming out for it in the summer.

Actually SP3 is tentaively coming out in 2008. That's why I decided to just try Vista out now.

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RebateMonger

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Originally posted by: Troy McClure
Not to go off topic....ok, off topic but UAC is a pain in the butt and I don't believe it will have the affect MS thinks it will with people who are not savy.
It's anybody's guess if UAC will work as desired. Constantly asking for mouse clicks certainly can have unanticipated effects. I have clients who kill their PC's connectivity by clicking "No" to ZoneAlarm. And those who allow trojans to install by clicking "Yes".

Yahoo had horrible problems with fake "User Logon" screens. Yahoo was asking for UserName/Password so often that folks started just filling in the blanks, no realizing that they'd been re-directed to fake Yahoo Login screens.

Regarding Vista SP1, I'm a bit bummed by this. It's obvious that Microsoft intends to release a "quick" SP1 simply to convince potential purchasers that "It's OK to buy Vista now, since SP1 has been released." :disgust: What I really COULD use is an XP SP3 Rollup patch.
 

Madwand1

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What XP? I use W2K for my main desktop. Most of the folks saying "XP is good enough, I don't really need to go to Vista" are ones who will, before very long, end up on Vista, because we're herd, and Microsoft has the bull whip.
 

gerwen

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The only problem i have with UAC is that it borks my VNC connection. I can't do any administrative tasks from a remote machine until they (VNC's programmers) get VNC sorted for Vista.

That and multiple confirmations for a file deletes are a bit annoying, but i actually like being prompted for confirmations on admin tasks and areas.
 

hanoverphist

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Dec 7, 2006
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Originally posted by: rxblitzrx

I am thankful though for the pioneers in this forum. Without your work, these bugs wouldn't get fixed. My hat goes off to you guys.

yup, i agree with that. Ill be on XP until rockwell software and Wonderware make me upgrade to vista. until then, ill not upgrade any of my stations or customers.
 

vetteguy

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Sep 12, 2001
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I have been very happy with Vista so far...I knew going in there might be hiccups, but I was willing to accept them, the same as I was when I upgraded to 98, 2000, and XP on the days they were released. Don't confuse people talking about issues for the good of everyone with complaining.
 

Noema

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My Line 6 guitar hardware is not officially supported yet (Beta drivers were just released this week). Plus there are no DX10 games yet, and Creative's drivers are immature still.

I'll wait until November, when I'm planning to build myself a new PC. Then we'll see.
 

oldman420

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May 22, 2004
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Originally posted by: sm8000


It took me long enough to wean off of 2000, I'll be on XP for a while longer (at least, so long as I'm running Socket A).


i am running an abit nf7-s with a Barton 2600 mobile radeon 9800 pro and a gig of ram not a problem yet with vista even with the unsupported nforce 2 :Q I am happy.
 

rxblitzrx

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Originally posted by: Noema
My Line 6 guitar hardware is not officially supported yet (Beta drivers were just released this week). Plus there are no DX10 games yet, and Creative's drivers are immature still.

I'll wait until November, when I'm planning to build myself a new PC. Then we'll see.

Niiiiice. I'm an acoustic player myself. What's your axe of choice?
 

randym431

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Face it, B. Gates main source of those billions is his windows os. So naturally, he must come out with a new one every few years. And he goes on tv to sell it like its reinventing the wheel.
I LOVE that new mac commercial with the dark mean looking secret service-like guy standing behind the pc guy, and has to confirm everything the pc guy wants to do. Thats so true with vista. To be fair, I'm not a mac person either. But that commercial is excellent!
 

greyeyezz

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Originally posted by: mechBgon
Originally posted by: Shawn
No Vista problems here.
Ditto. Running a Standard account mostly. I didn't attempt to install any beta drivers, I just used what Vista comes with.

Comment:

UAC has been a source of bleating from people who (for some reason) want their Vista to behave like a glorified Windows98, but I think it's a feature whose time has come. Having used the low-rights approach on WinXP Pro and Win2000, I find Vista makes it easier. Give it a chance, people... it's like seatbelts in your car. You might have to fasten them 5,000 times before they save you from serious harm one day. Don't disable UAC lightly.

UAC is designed for people who don't follow common sence when working with the computer. UAC is an un-needed layer for people that use their computer properly, keep their AV up to date, and practice proper security protocols. I've never run a resident anti-spyware program. No need to.

 

mithrandir2001

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Originally posted by: sm8000


It took me long enough to wean off of 2000, I'll be on XP for a while longer (at least, so long as I'm running Socket A).

I probably have you beat! I was running 2000 until I bought a new PC in October. Of course that means I have XP and I may keep it until MS stops supporting it in 2009.

I am grumpy about Vista because MS stripped so many "promised" features out of it yet they still have the audacity of charging $200+ for a regular version. Yuck.
 

conlan

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I thought MS extended XP support till 2014?

We'll be sticking w/ XP until at least SP1.
 

Noema

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Originally posted by: rxblitzrx
Originally posted by: Noema
My Line 6 guitar hardware is not officially supported yet (Beta drivers were just released this week). Plus there are no DX10 games yet, and Creative's drivers are immature still.

I'll wait until November, when I'm planning to build myself a new PC. Then we'll see.

Niiiiice. I'm an acoustic player myself. What's your axe of choice?

I play a Jackson King V
 

mechBgon

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Originally posted by: greyeyezz
Originally posted by: mechBgon
Originally posted by: Shawn
No Vista problems here.
Ditto. Running a Standard account mostly. I didn't attempt to install any beta drivers, I just used what Vista comes with.

Comment:

UAC has been a source of bleating from people who (for some reason) want their Vista to behave like a glorified Windows98, but I think it's a feature whose time has come. Having used the low-rights approach on WinXP Pro and Win2000, I find Vista makes it easier. Give it a chance, people... it's like seatbelts in your car. You might have to fasten them 5,000 times before they save you from serious harm one day. Don't disable UAC lightly.

UAC is designed for people who don't follow common sence when working with the computer. UAC is an un-needed layer for people that use their computer properly, keep their AV up to date, and practice proper security protocols. I've never run a resident anti-spyware program. No need to.
I consider least-privilege operation to be part of "proper security protocols." Common sense does not always help. Antivirus software can fail to detect stuff. Patches don't arrive in time to save you when it's a zero-day exploit, which there seem to be more of all the time.

Point in case: I worked at a non-profit agency. I was the IT guy. I set the browser homepage on the computers to our own agency's website, hosted on Interland's servers. Because I figured it would be safe :roll:

Interland got hacked. Our own website was trying to feed malware to our own computers every time someone opened a browser. So much for the merits of common sense. As luck would have it, the malware was something that VirusScan Enterprise recognized. But if VirusScan hadn't recognized it, it still would've failed because the computer users were not Admins. Gee, maybe that was a smart thing, huh? A proactive defense that would succeed where the reactive measures failed?

That scenario was repeated recently at the Dolphins Stadium website leading up to the SuperBowl (link).

Another instance: Yahoo's site was still malignant after at least four days (link, dunno if they entirely fixed this yet), and I could go dredge up more. Asus.com, HP.com, CircuitCity, Neowin, The Register, etc. Here's one more for good measure: Ticket site infected by Trojan-Downloader.

I'm sticking with my recommendation. Use UAC, and use a Standard account. Whatever the bad guys have up their sleeve in the future, you can add proactive measures to your reactive ones.

More reading: leading rootkit researcher discussing the merit of UAC.
 

rxblitzrx

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Originally posted by: Noema
Originally posted by: rxblitzrx
Originally posted by: Noema
My Line 6 guitar hardware is not officially supported yet (Beta drivers were just released this week). Plus there are no DX10 games yet, and Creative's drivers are immature still.

I'll wait until November, when I'm planning to build myself a new PC. Then we'll see.

Niiiiice. I'm an acoustic player myself. What's your axe of choice?

I play a Jackson King V

Hahahah noice...
 

f4phantom2500

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I'm one of the many stickin' with XP for now, for which I have a few reasons:

1. It's mature
2. It can do everything I need it to
3. I'm cheap

I won't be buying Vista until an absolute must have directx 10 game comes out. personally, I don't see the point of getting it unless it does something that XP doesn't, and for me that something would have to be dx10. Plus I don't want to be Microsoft's guinea pig for their new OS. One thing that annoys me about Vista is how much they're touting the Aero interface. Seriously, I would probably use it for a couple of minutes just to see what it's like, then throw it into classic mode, same as with XP; that green/blue color scheme was too toyish for my taste. Besides, why would I want to waste precious computational cycles on an interface that I don't even care about? Great, just slow down my computer more, please!

On a similar note, does Vista Home Basic support DX10? I mean, everyone's saying it's crippled and stuff, but I don't care about the new "interface" and such so as far as the functional level features goes, is Vista Home Basic really lacking? If not I'll just buy that when I need to and save some $ (unless they sell ultimate or whatever at school).
 
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