ron paul's candidacy suddenly explained.

[yllus]

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Originally posted by: Evan Lieb

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Wearing libertarian garb but a Federalist at heart.

Towing party lines is for those with no independent thought.

Independent thought? LOL

How ironic.

Let me know when you have YOUR OWN ideas instead of some regurgitated lessons you were taught in class.

Ye-ah. Dem dere book learnin' of yers ain't no good 'round these parts. You needs to hear the true gospel, son! Head yer butt over to YouTube so you can really lern a dang thing or two!

Trolling again I see. Anything to add or just the usual?

Who's the troll: The person who writes "LOL" and castigates another for the "lessons you were taught in class", or the person who points out how retarded making that statement is? Education = bad! Duhhh!

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: yllus
Head yer butt over to YouTube so you can really lern a dang thing or two!

The words "youtube video" have been tossed around like it is something damned to be biased, misleading, dishonest, etc. In reality, it is comparable to the words, "ebay seller." Youtube just hosts videos, and ebay is just a marketplace where goods are sold. Sure, youtube is home to many bad videos, and ebay is home to many bad vendors, but to damn the rest because of them is ridiculous.

 

[NoStateofMind]

Originally posted by: yllus


Who's the troll: The person who writes "LOL" and castigates another for the "lessons you were taught in class", or the person who points out how retarded making that statement is? Education = bad! Duhhh!

Are you trying to prove his idea's ARE independent thought? You did a piss poor job if you did.

 

[yllus]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: yllus
Head yer butt over to YouTube so you can really lern a dang thing or two!

The words "youtube video" have been tossed around like it is something damned to be biased, misleading, dishonest, etc. In reality, it is comparable to the words, "ebay seller." Youtube just hosts videos, and ebay is just a marketplace where goods are sold. Sure, youtube is home to many bad videos, and ebay is home to many bad vendors, but to damn the rest because of them is ridiculous.

I wouldn't take the sarcastic remark I made too literally. It's just funny to see someone with a piss-poor grasp of pretty much every subject insulting someone for having a formal education. Inevitably the counterargument is backed with something made in Windows Movie Maker and posted to the aforementioned website.

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Originally posted by: yllus


Who's the troll: The person who writes "LOL" and castigates another for the "lessons you were taught in class", or the person who points out how retarded making that statement is? Education = bad! Duhhh!

Are you trying to prove his idea's ARE independent thought? You did a piss poor job if you did.

See above. Frankly, I know you're beyond logical thought so I'm merely making sure that others don't get lured into the same bullshit by challenging it at every step. And really, it's not like you gave a well-measured reply that deserved another one in term.

 

[NoStateofMind]

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: yllus
Head yer butt over to YouTube so you can really lern a dang thing or two!

The words "youtube video" have been tossed around like it is something damned to be biased, misleading, dishonest, etc. In reality, it is comparable to the words, "ebay seller." Youtube just hosts videos, and ebay is just a marketplace where goods are sold. Sure, youtube is home to many bad videos, and ebay is home to many bad vendors, but to damn the rest because of them is ridiculous.

I wouldn't take the sarcastic remark I made too literally. It's just funny to see someone with a piss-poor grasp of pretty much every subject insulting someone for having a formal education. Inevitably the counterargument is backed with something made in Windows Movie Maker and posted to the aforementioned website.

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Originally posted by: yllus


Who's the troll: The person who writes "LOL" and castigates another for the "lessons you were taught in class", or the person who points out how retarded making that statement is? Education = bad! Duhhh!

Are you trying to prove his idea's ARE independent thought? You did a piss poor job if you did.

See above. Frankly, I know you're beyond logical thought so I'm merely making sure that others don't get lured into the same bullshit by challenging it at every step. And really, it's not like you gave a well-measured reply that deserved another one in term.

Dodging the question? Or derailing the topic again? Answer the question sir. Are you trying to prove his idea's ARE independent thought? If you don't have an answer, fine. Just don't dodge or change the subject.

 

[yllus]

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: yllus
Head yer butt over to YouTube so you can really lern a dang thing or two!

The words "youtube video" have been tossed around like it is something damned to be biased, misleading, dishonest, etc. In reality, it is comparable to the words, "ebay seller." Youtube just hosts videos, and ebay is just a marketplace where goods are sold. Sure, youtube is home to many bad videos, and ebay is home to many bad vendors, but to damn the rest because of them is ridiculous.

I wouldn't take the sarcastic remark I made too literally. It's just funny to see someone with a piss-poor grasp of pretty much every subject insulting someone for having a formal education. Inevitably the counterargument is backed with something made in Windows Movie Maker and posted to the aforementioned website.

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Originally posted by: yllus


Who's the troll: The person who writes "LOL" and castigates another for the "lessons you were taught in class", or the person who points out how retarded making that statement is? Education = bad! Duhhh!

Are you trying to prove his idea's ARE independent thought? You did a piss poor job if you did.

See above. Frankly, I know you're beyond logical thought so I'm merely making sure that others don't get lured into the same bullshit by challenging it at every step. And really, it's not like you gave a well-measured reply that deserved another one in term.

Dodging the question? Or derailing the topic again? Answer the question sir. Are you trying to prove his idea's ARE independent thought? If you don't have an answer, fine. Just don't dodge or change the subject.

No surprise - the point has escaped your understanding. Here it is again: Your criticism of Evan Lieb for not possessing "independent thought" is hypocritical and idiotic to the extreme considering you lap up whatever scraps Dr. Paul hands you without the slightest bit of critical questioning. It's doubly hilarious when you add in your criticisms of it being taught in a classroom - as opposed to your school of hard knocks education that's led to oh-so-many examples of your own ignorance, I guess.

Tell you what - let's follow through with your line of thinking. So, in order for me to answer, I will need you to clarify your original statement in two areas:

1. What would you qualify as independent thought?

2. Can you explain why he's lacking it, while you are not?

 

[NoStateofMind]

Originally posted by: yllus

No surprise - the point has escaped your understanding. Here it is again: Your criticism of Evan Lieb for not possessing "independent thought" is hypocritical and idiotic to the extreme considering you lap up whatever scraps Dr. Paul hands you without the slightest bit of critical questioning. It's doubly hilarious when you add in your criticisms of it being taught in a classroom - as opposed to your school of hard knocks education that's led to oh-so-many examples of your own ignorance, I guess.

Tell you what - let's follow through with your line of thinking. So, in order for me to answer, I will need you to clarify your original statement in two areas:

1. What would you qualify as independent thought?

2. Can you explain why he's lacking it, while you are not?

Reading comprehension is not your strong point. Answer the question or drop it. Its really that simple. Either you have an answer without obfuscation or you don't. Now I ask again, hopefully you will *get it* this time.

Are you trying to prove his idea's ARE independent thought?

I expect more runaround from you though. Which really, isn't surprising.

 

[yllus]

Simple answer: No.

Long answer: It's an idiotic question, which is what you've now realized, leading to your attempts to spin it as me obfuscating. It's idiotic because: Who are you to judge what independent thought is or isn't? It's a pointless question that can never be resolved, because in the absence of an agreed-upon definition of independent thought (which I tried to reach and you dismissed as obfuscation), it relies on a completely arbitrary and personal judgment of the quality/source of education. And, I assure you, you are most definitely not qualified to make that assessment.

I expect you to do something predictably lame like quoting only the short answer part of this post, but if you want to exceed expectations for once, try answering those two questions I asked earlier and let's see if you've actually got some intellectual capacity in you. In the long run, however, it's probably best that you run and hide per normal.

 

[NoStateofMind]

Originally posted by: yllus
Simple answer: No.

Long answer: It's an idiotic question, which is what you've now realized, leading to your attempts to spin it as me obfuscating. It's idiotic because: Who are you to judge what independent thought is or isn't? It's a pointless question that can never be resolved, because in the absence of an agreed-upon definition of independent thought (which I tried to reach and you dismissed as obfuscation), it relies on a completely arbitrary and personal judgment of the quality/source of education. And, I assure you, you are most definitely not qualified to make that assessment.

I expect you to do something predictably lame like quoting only the short answer part of this post, but if you want to exceed expectations for once, try answering those two questions I asked earlier and let's see if you've actually got some intellectual capacity in you. In the long run, however, it's probably best that you run and hide per normal.

Thanks for answering the question

 

[bbdub333]

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Originally posted by: yllus
Simple answer: No.

Long answer: It's an idiotic question, which is what you've now realized, leading to your attempts to spin it as me obfuscating. It's idiotic because: Who are you to judge what independent thought is or isn't? It's a pointless question that can never be resolved, because in the absence of an agreed-upon definition of independent thought (which I tried to reach and you dismissed as obfuscation), it relies on a completely arbitrary and personal judgment of the quality/source of education. And, I assure you, you are most definitely not qualified to make that assessment.

I expect you to do something predictably lame like quoting only the short answer part of this post, but if you want to exceed expectations for once, try answering those two questions I asked earlier and let's see if you've actually got some intellectual capacity in you. In the long run, however, it's probably best that you run and hide per normal.

Thanks for answering the question

Wow... if I were a betting man, I'd say yllus can see the future.

 

[NoStateofMind]

Mind telling me which part of his statement was "seeing the future"?

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Originally posted by: ScottMac

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: loki8481
I wondered why he pushed his 4% brigade so far, and I figured it was ego... suddenly, it's all making a lot more sense:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/produ...8220601&pf_rd_i=507846

Ron Paul pushed nothing. He didn't go looking for support. His support went looking for him.

I challenge anyone to find a Congressman as honest, with as much integrity, and as much respect for the the Constitution, the rule of law, and American freedoms and liberties.

The children in here don't even care what he has to say... they are too busy waiting for Rush or the RNC talking points to tell them what to think ...

As opposed to the Paulbots that wait on pins & needles for His every mere utterance. You guys have nothing to talk about when it comes to spreading talking points while blindly following the Word of His Looniness, the Chief Keeper of the TinFoil Chapeau, Ron {sigh} Paul.

I'm sure you're OK with the Fed printing billions more a year to flood the economy with more money to help pay for global health care for all Americans is just fine. You know, we would have enough money right now to do so, if we didn't meddle in other countries affairs, and if we didn't send billions in foreign aid to Africa and other poor areas.
We need to fix ourselves before we worry about others.

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Wearing libertarian garb but a Federalist at heart.

I'm a Whig myself

 

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski

Originally posted by: ScottMac

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: loki8481
I wondered why he pushed his 4% brigade so far, and I figured it was ego... suddenly, it's all making a lot more sense:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/produ...8220601&pf_rd_i=507846

Ron Paul pushed nothing. He didn't go looking for support. His support went looking for him.

I challenge anyone to find a Congressman as honest, with as much integrity, and as much respect for the the Constitution, the rule of law, and American freedoms and liberties.

The children in here don't even care what he has to say... they are too busy waiting for Rush or the RNC talking points to tell them what to think ...

As opposed to the Paulbots that wait on pins & needles for His every mere utterance. You guys have nothing to talk about when it comes to spreading talking points while blindly following the Word of His Looniness, the Chief Keeper of the TinFoil Chapeau, Ron {sigh} Paul.

I'm sure you're OK with the Fed printing billions more a year to flood the economy with more money to help pay for global health care for all Americans is just fine. You know, we would have enough money right now to do so, if we didn't meddle in other countries affairs, and if we didn't send billions in foreign aid to Africa and other poor areas.
We need to fix ourselves before we worry about others.

Provided the world absorbs the bills, the bills are backed by something (which they are), are supported by world demand, what they print doesn't matter.

This isn't like Wiemar Germany, where nothing backed the bills at all.

Nice hyperbole though.

 

[BoberFett]

What are US dollars backed by? The full faith and credit of the US government? Sorry, but that particular item is starting to be of less and less value around the world.

 

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: BoberFett
What are US dollars backed by? The full faith and credit of the US government? Sorry, but that particular item is starting to be of less and less value around the world.

It's backed by the worlds largest economy, most prosperous people, and largest military. Short-term economic cycles do not matter.

 

[jonks]

http://xkcd.com/367/

 

[Dissipate]

Originally posted by: LegendKiller

Originally posted by: BoberFett
What are US dollars backed by? The full faith and credit of the US government? Sorry, but that particular item is starting to be of less and less value around the world.

It's backed by the worlds largest economy, most prosperous people, and largest military. Short-term economic cycles do not matter.

Does that 'backing' include the $52 trillion in unfunded federal liabilities over the next 20 years?

 

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: LegendKiller

Originally posted by: BoberFett
What are US dollars backed by? The full faith and credit of the US government? Sorry, but that particular item is starting to be of less and less value around the world.

It's backed by the worlds largest economy, most prosperous people, and largest military. Short-term economic cycles do not matter.

Does that 'backing' include the $52 trillion in unfunded federal liabilities over the next 20 years?

What will we ever do? Our GDP, assuming a conservative 1.5% growth, will *only* be 345Tr during that time. Shit, we're all screwed.

 

[First]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Why the fuck do you think he quit the job? Where will he work now?

Congress hasn't blinked. They have continued to spend money like its growing on trees. Look at the promises from the three remaining candidates, continuation of a war we can't afford. "Free" health care for the masses.

Well we'll see who's right, and that'll be me.

You're right. It is not an incurable problem. But they aren't trying to resolve it. They keep piling more on top of it. And don't try to blame it all on Bush either, that's a load of shit. The Democrats in Congress have supported Bush in all his spending sprees. Doubling the size of the Dept of Education, $3 trillion war in Iraq, and the Medicare Prescription Drug plan, too. The Dem's were all there with their "yes" votes. So don't come in here and act like the Democrats are the party of fiscal responsibility, and will save us from this fiscal nightmare that is heading our way. What a fucking joke.

Who the hell said Dems are fiscally responsible? Read carefully. I said they would get out of Iraq, which is far more likely with a Dem than a Republican and that's fact. They aren't fiscally responsible, but neither have the Republicans been who also supported tax cuts. That just effectively doubles the problem if you don't scale back spending too. That's why I said the administration was inept.

 

[First]

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Originally posted by: Evan Lieb

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Wearing libertarian garb but a Federalist at heart.

Towing party lines is for those with no independent thought.

Independent thought? LOL

How ironic.

Let me know when you have YOUR OWN ideas instead of some regurgitated lessons you were taught in class.

What gives me independent thought is the ability to ascertain the validity of various discussions based on the information I've learned through reading, education, experience, and deep thought, and then drawing my own conclusions independently and/or in a unique way. Hell, based on your own words I am as unique politically as it gets; a Libertarian party member with "Federalist" tendencies (why the hell you're using the term "Federalist", a dead 200 year old party, I have no idea).

In the end, the content of your argument is the only real thing that matters. And rofl @ you criticizing someone for learning in a classroom. :laugh:

 

[NoStateofMind]

Originally posted by: Evan Lieb

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Originally posted by: Evan Lieb

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Wearing libertarian garb but a Federalist at heart.

Towing party lines is for those with no independent thought.

Independent thought? LOL

How ironic.

Let me know when you have YOUR OWN ideas instead of some regurgitated lessons you were taught in class.

What gives me independent thought is the ability to ascertain the validity of various discussions based on the information I've learned through reading, education, experience, and deep thought, and then drawing my own conclusions independently and/or in a unique way. Hell, based on your own words I am as unique politically as it gets; a Libertarian party member with "Federalist" tendencies (why the hell you're using the term "Federalist", a dead 200 year old party, I have no idea).

In the end, the content of your argument is the only real thing that matters. And rofl @ you criticizing someone for learning in a classroom. :laugh:

Wrong. I didn't criticize you for learning in a classroom. I criticized you for trying to pass off classroom learning as independent ideas. Notice the difference?

 

[Mavtek3100]

The never ending feud of those who claim the status quo is fine, and those who feel drastic change would be better.

Something to think about, are things getting better or worse?

Are things better when those in power are given more authority or less?

Throwing money at a problem is one way to solve a problem, is it the best way?

Answer these questions and you'll know which way you lean politically.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: LegendKiller

Originally posted by: Dissipate
Does that 'backing' include the $52 trillion in unfunded federal liabilities over the next 20 years?

What will we ever do? Our GDP, assuming a conservative 1.5% growth, will *only* be 345Tr during that time. Shit, we're all screwed.

Indefinite growth is a stupid bet. This population growth required for that will never be sustained safely.

 

[First]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: LegendKiller

Originally posted by: Dissipate
Does that 'backing' include the $52 trillion in unfunded federal liabilities over the next 20 years?

What will we ever do? Our GDP, assuming a conservative 1.5% growth, will *only* be 345Tr during that time. Shit, we're all screwed.

Indefinite growth is a stupid bet. This population growth required for that will never be sustained safely.

^ I think it's safe to assume based on 200+ years of history that the U.S. can continue to grow at great speed considering the laws, economics and most definitely the immense population growth the U.S. enjoys. In fact, there's basically no question the U.S. population will grow in perpetuity for many, many years when you consider the replacement rates of whites is 2.0, Hispanics 2.7, blacks 2.4, and all that in addition to the 2 million legal immigrants allowed in every year. Sustaining population growth is not the problem; just so long as the U.S. keeps creating 100,000 jobs every quarter, which is the pace that has to be kept to keep up with population growth. Really no reason to believe the economy will stop growing.