RotK Questions... (spoilers) + Random question.

[BigToque]

1. In the beginning of the movie, why is Smegal so possessed by the ring if he's never come into contact with it before? Who was with him?

2. When Aragorn is warned about the ships that are comming (that nobody else knows about), he takes off to get the army of dead people. Eventually, Aragorn shows up on the ship with the dead people to save Minas Tirith.

Did the movie exclude a battle scene where Aragorn and the ghosts attack the people on the ship and steal it? What's the deal?

3. At the end of the movie, Bilbo, Frodo and Galdalf get on the boat that takes them to the elvish lands (where they will be immortal?)... Why do they all go?

Random question...

What is the name of the flying beast that Nazgul rides (that gets its head cut off and makes the horrible screaming noises)?

 

[Ness]

1) this could be answered one of two ways...
- His own greed caused him to want the ring without knowing what he was getting in to
- The Ring can quickly overpower the weakminded.

2) I haven't finished reading ROTK, but I think it's safe to say that a battle showing the dead just sweaping over the boats and stuff wouldn't be too exciting. Afterall, didn't you find it quite dramatic the way it was presented?

3) They don't go to the elvish lands, they go to the "Western world". Middle Earth is not the only "Continent". Again, I haven't finished reading it, but my guess is that they want to ebolish the ring's prescence entirely. The few who originally had rings would not know how to return to a life without it and they don't wish to burden the rest of middle earth with that.


Random Question-- I don't think it actually had a name, in the book they just described it and referred to it as things such as "fell beast".

 

[Legendary]

1. The Ring's will was to be found, and since Deagol and Smeagol were the first to find it, they were both possessed by it. It was really the Ring that made them want it that badly.
2. Yeah the movie skipped the scenes where the dead attacked the people on the boat. In the book the dead don't come to find in Gondor, it's the people who were enslaved by those who the dead scared away.
3. "Sailing to the West" = sailing to Valinor aka sailing to "Heaven"

As for the random question - I don't really know.

 

[RalphWiggum]

Originally posted by: Legendary
1. The Ring's will was to be found, and since Deagol and Smeagol were the first to find it, they were both possessed by it. It was really the Ring that made them want it that badly.
2. Yeah the movie skipped the scenes where the dead attacked the people on the boat. In the book the dead don't come to find in Gondor, it's the people who were enslaved by those who the dead scared away.
3. "Sailing to the West" = sailing to Valinor aka sailing to "Heaven"

As for the random question - I don't really know.

I'll try to add on a bit.

2) Yes, they did skip a battle that would show how Aragron took the Corsairs of Umbar.

3) I assume you meant "Why don't they all go?" Well, SAm has a family at the end, Aragorn is now King, Legolas and Gimli go on to form a spinoff and have their own wacky adventures, and Merry and Pippin are just being MErry and Pippin. Probably no pipe weed there.

If you actually are wondering why they do go, well Gandalf's done with the 3rd Age of Middle Earth so he has no more purpose. I think Bilbo and Frodo leave because of the effects of the ring on them...

I have never heard of it referred to as heaven, as it is literally another continent in middle earth.

4) I think "fell beast" would be the closest you can get to a name for them.

 

[BigToque]

Alright, I've seen that they are called "fell beasts", now what I'm wondering is, what does that Nazgul (the one who gets killed by Eowyn) say to Eowyn before she chops off the beasts head?

Something like "Dont get between a (fell beast?) and its meal", I think...

 

[RalphWiggum]

Originally posted by: Stefan
Alright, I've seen that they are called "fell beasts", now what I'm wondering is, what does that Nazgul (the one who gets killed by Eowyn) say to Eowyn before she chops off the beasts head?

Something like "Dont get between a (fell beast?) and its meal", I think...

I think it was "Don't stand between a Nazgul and its prey." Let me try to verify that though...

 

[igowerf]

Originally posted by: Stefan
Alright, I've seen that they are called "fell beasts", now what I'm wondering is, what does that Nazgul (the one who gets killed by Eowyn) say to Eowyn before she chops off the beasts head?

Something like "Dont get between a (fell beast?) and its meal", I think...

I heard "Don't get between a Nazgul and it's prey"... but I WAS really tired at that point.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: Stefan
1. In the beginning of the movie, why is Smegal so possessed by the ring if he's never come into contact with it before? Who was with him?

2. When Aragorn is warned about the ships that are comming (that nobody else knows about), he takes off to get the army of dead people. Eventually, Aragorn shows up on the ship with the dead people to save Minas Tirith.

Did the movie exclude a battle scene where Aragorn and the ghosts attack the people on the ship and steal it? What's the deal?

3. At the end of the movie, Bilbo, Frodo and Galdalf get on the boat that takes them to the elvish lands (where they will be immortal?)... Why do they all go?

Random question...

What is the name of the flying beast that Nazgul rides (that gets its head cut off and makes the horrible screaming noises)?

3. Frodo and Bilbo were taken BECAUSE they were ringbearers and had NO chance at normalcy anymore. the ring had affected them too much.

 

[Ness]

Originally posted by: igowerf

Originally posted by: Stefan
Alright, I've seen that they are called "fell beasts", now what I'm wondering is, what does that Nazgul (the one who gets killed by Eowyn) say to Eowyn before she chops off the beasts head?

Something like "Dont get between a (fell beast?) and its meal", I think...

I heard "Don't get between a Nazgul and it's prey"... but I WAS really tired at that point.

The book says: "Come not between the Nazgul and his prey!"

So you weren't that tired

 

[Feldenak]

1. Are you talking about the intro to FotR?

2. Dunno, haven't seen the movie. The battle in the book wouldn't translate well to film.

3. Bilbo & Frodo go because they were ring bearers. Gandalf's time in Middle Earth is done. Sam will eventually sail to the West because he too was a ring bearer. I believe the elves say they will come back for him when it is time. Again, I haven't seen the movie. I'm just going by what I remember of the book.


Random: I thought they were just called Fell Beasts.

 

[Legendary]

Also it should be said that Legolas and Gimli end up going to Valinor as well (noted at the end of the Appendices)

 

[Yossarian]

Fell Beast

Damn I hate those guys.

 

[austin316]

here is another question for this thread then, in the book, what happens to Saruman. (sp? Christopher Lee)

Answer to #2. I think so when you see the ships pull up, you feel all hope is lost. cuz at that point you still don't know if the dead agreed to help. plus, showing a boat get overtaken by characters that can't be killed isn't that cool or exciting.

 

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: austin316
here is another question for this thread then, in the book, what happens to Saruman. (sp? Christopher Lee)

Been awhile since I read the book but I believe he and Wormtongue are killed at the Shire.

 

[Legendary]

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: austin316
here is another question for this thread then, in the book, what happens to Saruman. (sp? Christopher Lee)

Been awhile since I read the book but I believe he and Wormtongue are killed at the Shire.

Gandalf and co. go to Isengard, where they meet Saruman. Gandalf offers Saruman leniency etc. but Saruman refuses (pride). Wormtongue throws the palantir down and they pick it up. Then lots and lots of stuff happens and at the end, on the way back to Rivendell (this is in the books) they run into Saruman, who once again refuses their pity. Then the hobbits stay way too long in Rivendell, and when they make it to the Shire it is overrun by Saruman's men. The newly knighted etc. hobbits fight them off and upon meeting Saruman and Wormtongue, Frodo prevents them from being killed by the hobbits. However, Wormtongue kills Saruman, then is killed by hobbit archers.

 

[UNCjigga]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: Stefan
What is the name of the flying beast that Nazgul rides (that gets its head cut off and makes the horrible screaming noises)?

3. Frodo and Bilbo were taken BECAUSE they were ringbearers and had NO chance at normalcy anymore. the ring had affected them too much.

Its been five years or so since I read the books, but I do recall reading something about how the ring taints everyone it comes in contact with, and when the ring is destroyed, those who had worn it would also be diminished in some aspect. Maybe it was to save their souls?? In the movie, Frodo had said that "some wounds were cut too deep and would never heal", like his st@b wound at Weathertop...and perhaps the burden of carrying the ring as well. Going to Valinor was probably the only way he could be healed.

 

[austin316]

Originally posted by: Legendary

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: austin316
here is another question for this thread then, in the book, what happens to Saruman. (sp? Christopher Lee)

Been awhile since I read the book but I believe he and Wormtongue are killed at the Shire.

Gandalf and co. go to Isengard, where they meet Saruman. Gandalf offers Saruman leniency etc. but Saruman refuses (pride). Wormtongue throws the palantir down and they pick it up. Then lots and lots of stuff happens and at the end, on the way back to Rivendell (this is in the books) they run into Saruman, who once again refuses their pity. Then the hobbits stay way too long in Rivendell, and when they make it to the Shire it is overrun by Saruman's men. The newly knighted etc. hobbits fight them off and upon meeting Saruman and Wormtongue, Frodo prevents them from being killed by the hobbits. However, Wormtongue kills Saruman, then is killed by hobbit archers.

whoa, for all the people complaining about this and that being left out of the book, I'm glad this WAS left out. sounds real stupid to have hobbits win the fight. Hobbit Archers?!? I thought they never fight or adventure. Good choice Peter Jackson.

 

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: austin316

Originally posted by: Legendary

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: austin316
here is another question for this thread then, in the book, what happens to Saruman. (sp? Christopher Lee)

Been awhile since I read the book but I believe he and Wormtongue are killed at the Shire.

Gandalf and co. go to Isengard, where they meet Saruman. Gandalf offers Saruman leniency etc. but Saruman refuses (pride). Wormtongue throws the palantir down and they pick it up. Then lots and lots of stuff happens and at the end, on the way back to Rivendell (this is in the books) they run into Saruman, who once again refuses their pity. Then the hobbits stay way too long in Rivendell, and when they make it to the Shire it is overrun by Saruman's men. The newly knighted etc. hobbits fight them off and upon meeting Saruman and Wormtongue, Frodo prevents them from being killed by the hobbits. However, Wormtongue kills Saruman, then is killed by hobbit archers.

whoa, for all the people complaining about this and that being left out of the book, I'm glad this WAS left out. sounds real stupid to have hobbits win the fight. Hobbit Archers?!? I thought they never fight or adventure. Good choice Peter Jackson.

Actually, it works quite well in the books and ends ties things up nicely.

 

[igowerf]

Originally posted by: ness1469

Originally posted by: igowerf

Originally posted by: Stefan
Alright, I've seen that they are called "fell beasts", now what I'm wondering is, what does that Nazgul (the one who gets killed by Eowyn) say to Eowyn before she chops off the beasts head?

Something like "Dont get between a (fell beast?) and its meal", I think...

I heard "Don't get between a Nazgul and it's prey"... but I WAS really tired at that point.

The book says: "Come not between the Nazgul and his prey!"

So you weren't that tired

I guess I didn't dream up non-existent lines. Seeing a three and a half hour long movie at midnight really wore me out.

 

[Legendary]

Originally posted by: austin316

Originally posted by: Legendary

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: austin316
here is another question for this thread then, in the book, what happens to Saruman. (sp? Christopher Lee)

Been awhile since I read the book but I believe he and Wormtongue are killed at the Shire.

Gandalf and co. go to Isengard, where they meet Saruman. Gandalf offers Saruman leniency etc. but Saruman refuses (pride). Wormtongue throws the palantir down and they pick it up. Then lots and lots of stuff happens and at the end, on the way back to Rivendell (this is in the books) they run into Saruman, who once again refuses their pity. Then the hobbits stay way too long in Rivendell, and when they make it to the Shire it is overrun by Saruman's men. The newly knighted etc. hobbits fight them off and upon meeting Saruman and Wormtongue, Frodo prevents them from being killed by the hobbits. However, Wormtongue kills Saruman, then is killed by hobbit archers.

whoa, for all the people complaining about this and that being left out of the book, I'm glad this WAS left out. sounds real stupid to have hobbits win the fight. Hobbit Archers?!? I thought they never fight or adventure. Good choice Peter Jackson.

Remember, I'm no Tolkien. He wrote it far better than I summarized it (obviously.) It really shows the desperation and the loss of power that Saruman has to deal with, and while I was happy the Scouring was taken out, I still would have liked to have seen some closure to the Saruman story-arc other than Treebeard standing by Orthanc.

 

[Majesty]

whoa, for all the people complaining about this and that being left out of the book, I'm glad this WAS left out. sounds real stupid to have hobbits win the fight. Hobbit Archers?!? I thought they never fight or adventure. Good choice Peter Jackson.

Don't forget that a lot is happening in the Shire while the Fellowship is moving toward Mordor. The Lord of the Rings is happening over some years (3-4 if I remember well). The Shire is being attacked by foul men. Wouldn't you fight back if your county was menaced and attacked?

 

[JHoNNy1OoO]

Originally posted by: Majesty

whoa, for all the people complaining about this and that being left out of the book, I'm glad this WAS left out. sounds real stupid to have hobbits win the fight. Hobbit Archers?!? I thought they never fight or adventure. Good choice Peter Jackson.

Don't forget that a lot is happening in the Shire while the Fellowship is moving toward Mordor. The Lord of the Rings is happening over some years (3-4 if I remember well). The Shire is being attacked by foul men. Wouldn't you fight back if your county was menaced and attacked?

Considering the 3-4 years.... towards the end of the movie Frodo says something along the lines of "It was 13 months to the day that I have left the Shire that I have returned." I doubt they just put 13 months if it wasn't in the book also. Just letting ya know. I remember this pretty vividly because I turned to my friend and told him, "Damn I thought it would've been more like 2 or 3 years!"

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[prontospyder]

Good thread. I have some questions too.

1. Did Faramir survive the burning scene? I don't recall seeing him again after his dad died.
2. Are there names for the eagles?

 

[Majesty]

Originally posted by: prontospyder
1. Did Faramir survive the burning scene? I don't recall seeing him again after his dad died.
2. Are there names for the eagles?

1- He lives, at least in the books. Only his father is burned alive.
2- Yes they do. Gwaihir was the eagle that saved Gandalf from Orthanc. Gwaihir also brought Sam and Frodo out of Mordor after the Ring was destroyed. BTW, Gwaihir means "Wind Lord".

 

[Majesty]

Considering the 3-4 years.... towards the end of the movie Frodo says something along the lines of "It was 13 months to the day that I have left the Shire that I have returned." I doubt they just put 13 months if it wasn't in the book also. Just letting ya know. I remember this pretty vividly because I turned to my friend and told him, "Damn I thought it would've been more like 2 or 3 years!"
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I stand corrected. I've checked and you're right. From the time where Gandalf tells Frodo about the Ring and the Ring is being destroyed, a year have passed.

But still, many things can happen in 1 full year.