Russia claims the North Pole

[Fritzo]

[Marvin] I claim this land in the name of Russia! Isn't that lovely? Hmmm? [/Marvin]

 

[waggy]

hmm so its comeing to a showdown between russia and Canada eh? that should be entersting. a bunch of 50 yr old tanks against 1 new tank (and a bunch of badass snipers). should be close!

 

[KPACOTKA]

Russian may claim Alaska and California as well, so be prepared.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: BD2003
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: paulxcook
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Russian leader Vladimir Putin has made an astonishing bid to grab a vast chunk of the Arctic, giving himself claim to its vast potential oil, gas and mineral wealth.

His audacious argument that an underwater Russian ridge is linked to the North Pole is likely to lead to an international outcry.

Some commentators have already observed it is further evidence of growing Russian assertiveness under its authoritarian president.

The Russian media trumpeted the findings of a Moscow scientific mission to the region which boasts "sensational" geological discoveries enabling the Kremlin to make the territorial claim.

Populist newspaper Komsomolskaya Pravda - a cheerleader for Putin - printed a map of the North Pole showing a "new addition" to Russia, a triangle five times the size of Britain with twice as much oil as Saudi Arabia.

The six-week mission on a nuclear ice-breaker claimed that the underwater Lomonsov ridge is geologically linked to the Siberian continental platform - and similar in structure.

The detailed findings are likely to be put to the United Nations in a bid to bring it under the Kremlin noose, and provide the bonanza of an estimated 10 billion tonnes of gas and oil deposits as well as significant sources of diamonds, gold, tin, manganese, nickel, lead and platinum.

Under current international law, the countries ringing the Arctic - Russia, Canada, the US, Norway, Denmark (Greenland) - are limited to a 200 mile economic zone around their coastlines.

Currently, a UN convention stipulates that none of these countries can claim jurisdiction of the Arctic seabed because the geological structure does not match that of the surrounding continental shelves.

The region is administered by the International Seabed Authority - the authority now being challenged by Moscow.

A previous attempt to claim the oil and gas resources beyond its 200 miles zone five years ago was rejected - but this time Moscow intends to make a far more serious submission to the U.N. Commission on the Limits of the Continental Shelf.

The head of the government-funded expedition Valery Kaminsky, director of the All-Russian Oceanic Scientific Research Institute, said he has key photographic evidence to prove the geological claims. "These are very interesting facts for the world community," he said.

Yuri Deryabin, head of the Institute of North European Countries, said: "I estimate Russia's chances to gets its piece of the Arctic pie highly enough - but the main battle is just starting." He acknowledged the negotiations would be "complicated".

The claim is likely to provoke an outcry from green groups but there is also Russian opposition.

Sergei Priamikov, of Russia's Arctic and Antarctic Research Institute, said the notion was "strange" and warned other countries could make counter claims.

Canada "could say that the Lomonosov ridge is part of the Canadian shelf, which means Russia should in fact belong to Canada, together with the whole of Eurasia", he observed drily.

A diplomatic source said that Russia was "seeking to secure its grip on oil and gas supplies for decades to come. Putin wants a strong Russia, and Western dependence for oil and gas supplies is a key part of his strategy. He no longer cares if his strategy upsets the West".
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I'm pretty sure you can't just decide the Arctic belongs to you, Russia.</end quote></div>

If they want to back their claims with guns and we don't respond in kind, yeah, actually, they can.</end quote></div>

Exactly. If we found an underwater connection between Alaska and Russia ooooo we could claim it too!
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I like your thinking, but who would want russia?

Actually Russia has a ton of natural resources. If someone handed Russia over to me, i sure as hell wouldn't mind, i'll take all their oil/diamond/forrest wealth.

 

[Tiamat]

Canada "could say that the Lomonosov ridge is part of the Canadian shelf, which means Russia should in fact belong to Canada, together with the whole of Eurasia", he observed drily

:laugh:

:music: All Your Base...:music:

 

[sygyzy]

Originally posted by: paulxcook

I'm pretty sure you can't just decide the Arctic belongs to you, Russia.

What would you, or anyone else, say or do if it was the United States that claimed it? I don't think a damned thing. So why can't Russia? I am not saying I agree with them (it's absurd), but the US can do anything they please but it's crazy if another country tries.

 

[paulxcook]

Originally posted by: sygyzy
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: paulxcook

I'm pretty sure you can't just decide the Arctic belongs to you, Russia.</end quote></div>


What would you, or anyone else, say or do if it was the United States that claimed it? I don't think a damned thing. So why can't Russia? I am not saying I agree with them (it's absurd), but the US can do anything they please but it's crazy if another country tries.

If the US tried to do something as stupid as this, there would be a big international uproar over it, and I'm certain plenty in the US would think it was a dumb move. The US isn't full of blind gong-beaters like you seem to think it is.

 

[pennylane]

Does that mean Santa Claus is Russian?

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: BD2003
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: paulxcook
Text

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>
Russian leader Vladimir Putin has made an astonishing bid to grab a vast chunk of the Arctic, giving himself claim to its vast potential oil, gas and mineral wealth.

His audacious argument that an underwater Russian ridge is linked to the North Pole is likely to lead to an international outcry.

Some commentators have already observed it is further evidence of growing Russian assertiveness under its authoritarian president.

The Russian media trumpeted the findings of a Moscow scientific mission to the region which boasts "sensational" geological discoveries enabling the Kremlin to make the territorial claim.

Populist newspaper Komsomolskaya Pravda - a cheerleader for Putin - printed a map of the North Pole showing a "new addition" to Russia, a triangle five times the size of Britain with twice as much oil as Saudi Arabia.

The six-week mission on a nuclear ice-breaker claimed that the underwater Lomonsov ridge is geologically linked to the Siberian continental platform - and similar in structure.

The detailed findings are likely to be put to the United Nations in a bid to bring it under the Kremlin noose, and provide the bonanza of an estimated 10 billion tonnes of gas and oil deposits as well as significant sources of diamonds, gold, tin, manganese, nickel, lead and platinum.

Under current international law, the countries ringing the Arctic - Russia, Canada, the US, Norway, Denmark (Greenland) - are limited to a 200 mile economic zone around their coastlines.

Currently, a UN convention stipulates that none of these countries can claim jurisdiction of the Arctic seabed because the geological structure does not match that of the surrounding continental shelves.

The region is administered by the International Seabed Authority - the authority now being challenged by Moscow.

A previous attempt to claim the oil and gas resources beyond its 200 miles zone five years ago was rejected - but this time Moscow intends to make a far more serious submission to the U.N. Commission on the Limits of the Continental Shelf.

The head of the government-funded expedition Valery Kaminsky, director of the All-Russian Oceanic Scientific Research Institute, said he has key photographic evidence to prove the geological claims. "These are very interesting facts for the world community," he said.

Yuri Deryabin, head of the Institute of North European Countries, said: "I estimate Russia's chances to gets its piece of the Arctic pie highly enough - but the main battle is just starting." He acknowledged the negotiations would be "complicated".

The claim is likely to provoke an outcry from green groups but there is also Russian opposition.

Sergei Priamikov, of Russia's Arctic and Antarctic Research Institute, said the notion was "strange" and warned other countries could make counter claims.

Canada "could say that the Lomonosov ridge is part of the Canadian shelf, which means Russia should in fact belong to Canada, together with the whole of Eurasia", he observed drily.

A diplomatic source said that Russia was "seeking to secure its grip on oil and gas supplies for decades to come. Putin wants a strong Russia, and Western dependence for oil and gas supplies is a key part of his strategy. He no longer cares if his strategy upsets the West".
</end quote></div>

I'm pretty sure you can't just decide the Arctic belongs to you, Russia.</end quote></div>

If they want to back their claims with guns and we don't respond in kind, yeah, actually, they can.</end quote></div>

Exactly. If we found an underwater connection between Alaska and Russia ooooo we could claim it too!

thre is one. it's how Humans migrated to the North/South American continents some 70,000 years ago. It's called a land bridge. We can also claim Canada as our own, being that we are clearly, and directly connected.

Kudos to Putin, though. This world needs a legitimately ceritifiable nut in charge of a world superpower. Entertainment for us

 

[markgm]

Oooh, we're going to be bringing back the 'good' ol' days of war!

 

[Yreka]

Originally posted by: fanerman91
Does that mean Santa Claus is Russian?

No, then every kid would get the same present regardless if they were good or bad.

 

[destrekor]

sigh
I always new Putin was a sneaky lil 'rusky.... and now he has confirmed it. This is actually kind of frightening to see what this might suggest the future Russia will be like. I mean, what if the Russian officials can actually sway the U.N.? Sure, you'll have offended states around the world looking to stop the acquisition from happening, but is anyone really ready to wage war with Russia over the Arctic seabed, and not even all of the seabed, just parts that reach North. I surely don't expect the U.S. to go to arms over this. Even though it actually is worthwhile of doing so, since it could put so much economic dependence on Russia... I don't think it'll happen.

this could be interesting to see this one all the way through.

 

[Safeway]

I own the moon. I will sell 1 square kilometer for $25.

37,930,000 units available. Bulk discount applicable for orders over 50 units.

 

[yllus]

Originally posted by: destrekor
sigh
I always new Putin was a sneaky lil 'rusky.... and now he has confirmed it. This is actually kind of frightening to see what this might suggest the future Russia will be like. I mean, what if the Russian officials can actually sway the U.N.?

What do you mean, "what if"? They can and will - this is almost a fait accompli.

Russia: Vote with us at the U.N. or the houses of your citizens will go cold.
Generic Timid European Country: Yes sir.

It's not like they haven't done it before.

 

[MrDudeMan]

Originally posted by: Yreka

Originally posted by: fanerman91
Does that mean Santa Claus is Russian?

No, then every kid would get the same present regardless if they were good or bad.

:laugh: you win this thread.

 

[sygyzy]

Originally posted by: paulxcook
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: sygyzy
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: paulxcook

I'm pretty sure you can't just decide the Arctic belongs to you, Russia.</end quote></div>


What would you, or anyone else, say or do if it was the United States that claimed it? I don't think a damned thing. So why can't Russia? I am not saying I agree with them (it's absurd), but the US can do anything they please but it's crazy if another country tries.</end quote></div>

If the US tried to do something as stupid as this, there would be a big international uproar over it, and I'm certain plenty in the US would think it was a dumb move. The US isn't full of blind gong-beaters like you seem to think it is.

International uproar? Oh, you mean like Geneva convention violations, Guantanamo, assassinations of leaders, human rights, etc.

International uproar means absolutely nothing. Plenty of people in the US think the war is a dumb move. What exactly is your point?

 

[BD2003]

Kudos to Putin, though. This world needs a legitimately ceritifiable nut in charge of a world superpower. Entertainment for us

Don't we already have one?

 

[Linflas]

Originally posted by: fanerman91
Does that mean Santa Claus is Russian?

He wears a red suit so I guess it is true.

 

[So]

Originally posted by: Linflas
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: fanerman91
Does that mean Santa Claus is Russian?</end quote></div>

He wears a red suit so I guess it is true.

He redistributes wealth too! :shocked:

 

[BD2003]

So what are we gonna call this? The "fvcking freezing war?"

 

[elektrolokomotive]

Gives whole new meaning to "Cold War".

 

[silverpig]

Originally posted by: paulxcook

I'm pretty sure you can't just decide the Arctic belongs to you, Russia.

Tell that to the Americans who claim the Northwest passage through Canada isn't part of Canada.

 

[everman]

Time to invest in snowcones.

 

[maddogchen]

I claim Russia.

Woohoo!

 

[Gillbot]

All your north pole are belong to us.