Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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you2

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A nice little story on shells; it includes who supported Ukraine and the petty reason Johnson is sending many thousands to their death:
 

kage69

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Russia humiliated yet again, what a joke that shithole is. Poor Putin. Can't handle the poor kid on the block and now your own fam is kicking your ass, wants nothing to do with you. Just in time for your "election," how nice. A failed invasion, advanced national decay, becoming China's bitch, entrenched fascism and just a slight case of civil war. That is some platform Vlad...



You Can't Make This Up™ because This Is What Winning Looks Like™
 
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K1052

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Little Blue Men.

Soviets sent pilots to fly combat missions for North Korea in the 50s. Russians were in Vietnam helping the NVA in the 60s. Then of course Putin's Little Green Men taking over Crimea in 2014.

Turnaround's a bitch. The genocidal midget can pound sand.

Just paint little Ukrainian flags on a bunch of Mirages and have the French Air Force take over CAP duty west of the Dinpro. When the Russian ambassador asks they can say "Of course they are Ukrainians cannot you see the markings?".
 
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Jaskalas

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France is currently my spirit animal.

Ukraine must retake Crimea for there to be lasting peace – Macron

The French president believes that if Russia wins the war, "Europe’s credibility will be reduced to zero".
"Do you think that the Poles, the Lithuanians, the Estonians, the Romanians and the Bulgarians could remain at peace for a second? Let alone Moldova, which admittedly is not a member of the European Union today, but which would be under threat at any second," he added.
 
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Pens1566

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France is currently my spirit animal.

Ukraine must retake Crimea for there to be lasting peace – Macron

The French president believes that if Russia wins the war, "Europe’s credibility will be reduced to zero".
"Do you think that the Poles, the Lithuanians, the Estonians, the Romanians and the Bulgarians could remain at peace for a second? Let alone Moldova, which admittedly is not a member of the European Union today, but which would be under threat at any second," he added.

"Well Emmanuel, that's gonna take some of your fancy long range weapons."
 

kage69

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Well it's helpful when you aren't the one needing to peddle lies, as is having the courage to call out those lies. Putin sure rolled over, felt slighted over it too. Tiny's need to remind Macron he's a big boy who plays hockey gave me a chuckle. No bare chested horse back riding though Vlad? Too nippy still maybe? He sure sounds like a nonchalant, imperious douchebag, given what he exhorts his troops to do to Ukrainians in the coming days. Wasn't really entertaining peace at all, was he? The gaslighting doesn't help, same for the outright lies.

It's almost as if Macron was familiar with Russian warfare, knew what would happen to Ukrainian civilians if Putin invaded. He gave it a shot though, even though he knew full well Putin was still crazy pissed about being denied the two Mistrals France had built for Russia.

They came so close to having some real boats that weren't corvettes and didn't suck. Soooo close.
 
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RnR_au

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Macron sure is saying all the right things -- it's almost as if he's a politician.
Its weird isn't it. Its almost as if the Europeans are taking turns at being the friend that Ukraine needs at specific times. The English Prime Minister back in 2022 said all the right things as well and was the Euro spine initially to build support for Ukraine.

And now the French are moving the support line further up towards Russia's mythical red line.
 

skyking

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It also adapts to different sizes readily. Quite the handy bit of kit as the British would say.
One plane with a few of the 250's could go in Nap of the Earth and strip the umbrella off a big region. Oh Snap!
 

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Ukrainian analysis on the loss of the two Patriot launchers and, more importantly, the deaths of 9 Ukrainian Patriot operators:


After action review regarding the defeat of the Patriot anti-aircraft missile battery on March 9
The Patriot system is strategically important and the most effective weapon for combating Russian aviation. The battery includes four M901 launchers, a fire control radar and a command post, plus support vehicles.
On March 9, two M901 launchers and several MIM-104 anti-aircraft missiles were destroyed as a result of the defeat of the Patriot anti-aircraft missile battery column by the Russian invaders near the city of Pokrovsk, Donetsk region, at a distance of about 50 km from the front line. According to Censor.Net, 9 Ukrainian servicemen were killed.
Since the radar and the command post survived, the battery can soon be restored to combat capacity, the launchers can be planted with new ones, but to replace qualified and motivated operators, some of whom have very successfully completed long training at leading NATO training centers, unfortunately, we will not be able to. Sincere condolences to the families of the heroes, who have several Russian planes on their account.
The drone video released by the enemy and information from our sources allow for post-operational analysis to prevent the recurrence of such tragedies, which seriously undermine Ukraine's defense capabilities.
The strike was carried out by three Iskander ballistic missiles under the guidance of the SuperCam reconnaissance drone.
The launchers stood in an open place in the column and did not move.
No means of concealment are visible on the cars.
The cost of the M901 launcher is $10 million, the cost of the MIM-104 PAC-3 anti-aircraft missile is $4 million.
What factors contributed to the search for the anti-missile system. and allowed to strike exactly?
1. The battery operated in the area for several weeks, made several successful launches against Russian aircraft, the radar was regularly activated, and the enemy could determine the approximate search area for its space, electronic reconnaissance and drones.
2. Patriot positions were not covered by anti-aircraft missile systems to protect against drones. Considering that the battery operated at a distance of active actions of enemy drones, the risk of detection was quite high.
3. Warnings about the departure of drones and about the missile attack were received too late.
4. The battery received an order to redeploy, but did not have time to carry it out. Instead of quickly and immediately dispersing at maximum speed, the launchers gathered in a dense column and stood in the open waiting for the command to start the movement, forming a compact target for destruction.
Conclusions:
1. Maneuvering the battery and exiting the affected area at maximum speed beyond the range of enemy drones, by individual vehicles, without waiting for teams and columns should be defined as one of the priorities of combat training.
2. In case of active combat work and it is impractical to leave the position area for a while, Patriot positions must be covered by short-range anti-aircraft missile systems.
3. EW means, in the case of drones approaching the Patriot positioning areas, should set directed interference with the video signal of enemy drones in order to make it difficult to observe and determine the target.
4. In the positional area of Patriot, mock-ups that simulate the operation of the battery should be spread around. Such means of camouflage are still not used, although the cost of such models is hundreds of times less than the cost of one launcher. The enemy must constantly see false targets and spend time on their identification and ammunition for defeat. Genuine Patriot vehicles must have a cloaking kit to hide their silhouette from quick recognition. The Air Force Command does not use Patriot models, although it is the most powerful weapon that requires maximum protection.
Responsibility for the damage to the Patriot launchers is fully borne by the command of the Air Force, partly by the command of the battery, which did not have time to remove the personnel and equipment from the impact.
Standing in columns in an open place in the zone of action of enemy drones is deadly dangerous, I ask the servicemen never to wait for the command to move, but to act according to the situation, not to allow gatherings, not to stand.
This is not the first case of the Russians shelling the Patriot positions, and cases of absolutely incomprehensible long stay at the positions, lateness with the maneuver, happen, unfortunately, not for the first time. But the conclusions have not yet been drawn, and therefore it is natural that the consequence of the lack of postoperative analysis was the March 9 tragedy near Pokrovsk.
War does not forgive unlearned lessons. I hope that conclusions will finally be drawn, and the troops will receive precise orders, and systemic changes will finally begin in the tactics of combat use and in ensuring the work of air defense.
 

skyking

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Thanks^
Decoys were the bread and butter operations for all combatants in WWII.
That lesson was not remembered, apparently.
it would seem logical to crank out a couple of Patriot dummy systems and cover them with AA, and take out soviet drones until they got wise about it.
 
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K1052

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Russian surveillance farther behind the front has improved and the Ukrainians will need to adapt through better dispersal, more deception, and concealment. A lot more SHORAD would be nice too but the their needs in this area are vast.
 

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So this glide bomb thing fucking sucks




We took too long supplying the good stuff, now Europe needs to get actively involved.

Maybe the US should leave NATO? So we can do what we need to do without the threat of US - everything and then MAD. Or a 4 year vacation or something.

US leaving NATO doesn't fix the problem here.

However, a core alliance of European powers with a credible record against Russia may crop up.

Something like Bulgaria, Croatia, Czechia, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany (audible groaning, but you really want them in), Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Slovakia, Sweden, Ukraine, UK perhaps.
 
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cytg111

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US leaving NATO doesn't fix the problem here.

However, a core alliance of European powers with a credible record against Russia may crop up.

Something like Bulgaria, Croatia, Czechia, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany (audible groaning, but you really want them in), Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Slovakia, Sweden, Ukraine, UK perhaps.
Sure, I can roll with that. We should really nip this in the bud before Putin turns Russia into a total war machine. Get this rolling and defeat him before it grows out of proportion

 
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