Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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misuspita

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So yeah... A 20y old stationed heli fueled up for a photo op. Reasons? Could be the fact that Moldova and Ukraine just issued a statement less than 24h ago that everyone that gets out of Transnistria is thorouly checked, could be the fact that Ukraine really hit a nerve with their daily refinery bombings, so they need to open that front too, maybe to again announce its part of Russia so they will throw a nucular bomb, etc... Who knows...
 
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Young Grasshopper

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Not sure, but I believe going after civilian infrastructure is classed as a war crime. Going after oil infrastructure should be ok since its directly funding and fueling the war.

LOL @ anyone thinking a ‘war crime’ means anything to a country at war.
 

Jaskalas

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Looks like a good opportunity for early hand-over of F-16's to Ukraine, with HARM missiles, to get some live target practice in
Ukraine has no direct access to Kaliningrad without first flying over a NATO country.
If anything, Russia is harming NATO with its actions. This is between them and us. Their EW hardware is easily solved by a "stray" missile or drone.
 

kage69

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LOL @ anyone thinking a ‘war crime’ means anything to a country at war.


LOL @ you and your bitch ass midget dictator who won't fly to other countries because he's afraid of an ICC arrest warrant.

I seem to recall a lot of Serbians who thought torture, murder, systemic rape, etc wouldn't mean anything. Radovan Karadžić. Ratko Mladić. Slobodan Milosevic. And how did that work out for them and ~150 others? Ring any bells in that shit filled gourd of yours? Ukraine's at war. Seems to care deeply about the popular Russian past time of torturing people until they die, targeting civilians and hospitals, the gang raping of women and children regardless of age, oh and all those "unlawful child deportations." They've logged something like 122k individual war crime cases so far I think.


Dismiss and ridicule real evil cyka, it's what your ignorant dumbass does. Can you please go fuck off and help your friends now? They need people of your...conviction. Ukrainians have no ammo remember? You'll be fine, just living it up with all that fire superiority. And the Russian military is a totally legit, talented, well trained and effective fighting force *snort* You have nothing to worry about. Think of all the nazis you could find. Russia needs you man, but making people laugh on a web forum only goes so far.
 
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Pipeline 1010

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LOL @ anyone thinking a ‘war crime’ means anything to a country at war.
It's not for the countries at war during the war. It's for the country at war after it loses. You're right, though: for now, your asshole leaders are intentionally and gleefully committing war crimes and they laugh at the accusations because they are pieces of shit and that's just what pieces of shit do. Always has been, always will be.
 

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It should be concerning to Russia that the west is much more proficient at shooting down drones than they have demonstrated themselves. About the only area Russia has demonstrated greater proficiency is pushing people out of windows and information war.
 

K1052

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Good summary of how Czechia finds shells from nations that might not want to be seen doing business directly with the US or EU at large:

The Czech Republic’s approach was to act as a middleman, said Tomas Kopecny, the Czech special envoy for Ukraine who helped negotiate the deal. Prague approached nations it knew to have either manufacturing capacity or compatible ammunition in storage and connected them with a Western country that would place an order and pay for the shipment.

The Czech Republic would then organize the logistics, with shipments going either through its own borders or through third countries, blurring any direct link between the country of origin and Ukraine so as not to expose the supplier to Moscow’s ire.
“Confidentiality is key here: We talk and will talk to anyone, no matter what their allegiance or political stance is—with a very few exceptions, such as North Korea,” said Tomas Pojar, the Czech government’s national security adviser.
Prague’s efforts exposed a discrepancy between some governments’ friendly attitude to Russia in public and their openness to doing business with Ukraine’s allies in private, said Jan Jires, deputy minister of defense.

“If you come with a pile of money they are interested, and Czechia is seen as neutral compared with the U.S., which is often polarizing,” said Jakub Janda, head of the European Values Center for Security Policy, a Prague-based think tank, using an alternate English-language name for the country.
So far, the Czech Republic has secured funding for the first tranche of around 300,000 shells. Among the donors are Germany, Canada, the Netherlands and Denmark. The U.S. isn’t part of the buyers’ club at this stage.

“We are like hobbits—small and peaceful, but in a moment of crisis we jump to forge alliances with much more powerful countries and deliver results,” Kopecny said, referring to the diminutive heroes of J.R.R. Tolkien’s “Lord of the Rings” saga.
Kopecny, wearing socks depicting the Kremlin engulfed in flames, said the Czech Republic’s past as a Soviet satellite informed his country’s tough line on the war. Its government sees a Russian defeat in Ukraine as imperative and doesn’t believe in negotiating with President Vladimir Putin.

https://www.wsj.com/world/europe/a-...te-goes-hunting-for-arms-for-ukraine-35255577
 
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Jaskalas

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Are you unable to load twitter embeds, or do you simply not understand the subject matter?
Russia's use of electronic warfare far from Ukraine is a threat to passenger aircraft in Europe.

This threat is actively being used against us and should be eliminated.
What would be your advocacy, if you had words? Cowering before Russia is unacceptable in a time of war.

At least 873 airplanes had navigation equipment malfunctioning. Every one of them is a passenger flight filled with civilians.
 
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brycejones

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Are you unable to load twitter embeds, or do you simply not understand the subject matter?
Russia's use of electronic warfare far from Ukraine is a threat to passenger aircraft in Europe.

This threat is actively being used against us and should be eliminated.
What would be your advocacy, if you had words? Cowering before Russia is unacceptable in a time of war.

At least 873 airplanes had navigation equipment malfunctioning. Every one of them is a passenger flight filled with civilians.
Oh FFS, I'm just glad that wiser, more measured persons are in charge of militaries. Because you're just desperate to bomb some shit someplace.
 
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cytg111

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Oh FFS, I'm just glad that wiser, more measured persons are in charge of militaries. Because you're just desperate to bomb some shit someplace.
Death by a thousand cuts. Its not like “Ukraine” is The Vlads first attempt to snuff out free people. Free people in Europe. Free people in US. At some point you gotta say: Think you overplayed your hand sir… Or just accept that Putins way of doing business is the way the international order is going to proceed from hereon.

(edit: that means elect trump and git this shit done with)
 
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rommelrommel

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Without Greece, Romania and Türkiye ? No Southern flank ? No Black Sea /Aegean domination ?

This isn't to replace NATO, this would be a different bloc with more common interests that could be more assertive with Russia. I'd specifically not want Türkiye, Hungary, etc.
 

Jaskalas

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Oh FFS, I'm just glad that wiser, more measured persons are in charge of militaries. Because you're just desperate to bomb some shit someplace.
What sort of peace do you imagine exists right now?
  • Russia has displaced 10s of millions, is killing or capturing the rest. Survivors will be used in meat wave attacks on the next country.
  • Russia has fully mobilized its military and industrial power and is planning to maintain this posture for the rest of the decade, minimum.
  • High ranking officials in Russia have declared that Romania is not a country, that Moldova and Armenia will face military consequences.
  • To say nothing of the Baltic nations, and you know they will.
This is total war. Russian losses and military defeats is how you don't die. Granted, maybe you do not empathize with or care about Europeans. Maybe their pain is not your pain. Maybe you fear what Russia can still do. But that would be permitting nuclear blackmail, to allow anything with zero actual deterrence. To let them just jam GPS across the central and eastern portions of the continent. To let them kill and displace 10s of millions of people, to claim the land and resources to wield even greater power and influence to fuel the next stage of Russia's genocidal campaign.

Maintaining defense, deterrence, retaliating against the aggressor. These are moral imperatives.
Russian actions cannot go unanswered.
 

Muse

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Last night's 60 Minutes included a piece about Russian exiles in Lithuania entitled

Keeping Russian dissidents safe in Lithuania​

Russia is in a state of smothering oppression

This is the 60 Minutes Overtime spillover. I don't know if you can find the actual piece that aired last night... However, though incomplete, this is in some ways a decent condensation of the piece.

 
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K1052

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The Soviet inheritance is vast but not inexhaustible or in uniform condition. Its possible the remaining stocks of T-80s and T-72s need more intense rehab work which could cause some at least temporary shortages and/or increased use of less capable armor (T-62s and T-55/54s).
 

fskimospy

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I would strongly recommended that the Euros have a very classified high level conversation amongst themselves about the political feasibility of building a shared nuclear arsenal and the IRBMs/stealth ALCMs to carry it.

I don't see how a shared nuclear arsenal would work - how would you craft a decision making process that had the ability to act swiftly in a crisis but kept people from going off the reservation?

Seems like Germany should build nukes though.
 

K1052

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I don't see how a shared nuclear arsenal would work - how would you craft a decision making process that had the ability to act swiftly in a crisis but kept people from going off the reservation?

Seems like Germany should build nukes though.

There have been various proposals for a "Eurobomb" over the decades so these conversations would not be starting from zero. They'd have to figure out a structure that works for them and negates inside interference with the deterrent or misuse. It would certainly have to satisfy the nations in Central and Eastern Europe as being credible.

South Korea, Japan, and Taiwan should also have ready to go plans for a nuclear breakout because if Trump becomes president again he will betray them all.
 

misuspita

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Single way shared would work would be a-la-NATO style. Anyone attacked requests and the rest of the pack launch the warheads
 
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