Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

[Jaskalas]

Russia is not sending in everything to Ukraine and is instead building up additional forces for wider / larger conflict.
Their level of mobilization of men and industry suggests additional war for years to come.

Shoigu: Russia to form 2 new armies by the end of 2024​

The Russian Armed Forces will create two new combined arms armies, 14 divisions, and 16 brigades by the end of the year, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said during a meeting with other defense chiefs on March 20.​

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Several observers pointed out that Moscow is likely to ramp up its mobilization efforts after the rigged presidential election, during which Vladimir Putin secured another six years in power.​

ISW: Economic, military indicators suggest Russia is preparing for large-scale war with NATO​

Some economic and military indicators suggest that Russia may be preparing for a large-scale conventional war with NATO, "likely on a shorter timeline than what some Western analysts have initially posited," the Institute for the Study of War assessed in its daily report on March 20.​

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Although not an imminent threat, the ISW assesses that Russian President Vladimir Putin's emphasis on growing Russia's economic and military capabilities is an indication that Russia is gearing up for conflict beyond "a protracted war in Ukraine."​

 

[Jaskalas]

To paraphrase George Patton, the idea is to make them die for some satellites. And given the state of their military that is far more likely. You can't just allow other countries to demolish your communications or other infrastructure without consequence.

No, we'll just let them slaughter and displace 44 million people instead.
And if MAGA keeps / gains power, we would let all of Europe fall before we lifted a finger.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

To paraphrase George Patton, the idea is to make them die for some satellites. And given the state of their military that is far more likely. You can't just allow other countries to demolish your communications or other infrastructure without consequence.

So you're saying that Biden would authorize military action, knowing it could risk nuclear war, because of some communication satellites?

 

[dainthomas]

So you're saying that Biden would authorize military action, knowing it could risk nuclear war, because of some communication satellites?

A strike on privately owned satellites is no different than a strike on privately owned shipping, power substation etc with or without loss of life. If Russia were allowed to demolish US infrastructure without consequences, the public would demand the president do something.

 

[Paratus]

So you're saying that Biden would authorize military action, knowing it could risk nuclear war, because of some communication satellites?

No. I think it’s been said that if “some” starlink satellites were taken out it wouldn’t rise to the level of us directly intervening in the war.

If however Russia took actions to significantly degrade Starlink it would rise to the level of a significant attack on American interests.

I think what’s confusing here is a few satellites taken out while drastically increasing the amount of orbital debris wouldn’t really degrade the system and wouldn’t really affect operations in low earth orbit other than increased numbers of debris avoidance maneuvers for satellites and vehicles operating there.

However Russia trying to take out large number of starlink satellites would either take hundreds of missile launches or spreading massive amounts of debris into LEO. Either way the impact would be to make LEO unusable to any country for the next several years due to orbital debris. Astronauts and Cosmonauts on the ISS would have to abandon the station and most new launches would have to be postponed.

It would be like letting the Russian Navy mine the entrance to the Mediterranean, the English Channel, the Black Sea and the North Sea to stop commercial shipping that might end up in Ukraine. It’s a direct attack on US interests along with most of the rest of the world.

It would absolutely be worth responding militarily in this situation.

 

[JTsyo]

Russia is not sending in everything to Ukraine and is instead building up additional forces for wider / larger conflict.
Their level of mobilization of men and industry suggests additional war for years to come.

Shoigu: Russia to form 2 new armies by the end of 2024​

The Russian Armed Forces will create two new combined arms armies, 14 divisions, and 16 brigades by the end of the year, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said during a meeting with other defense chiefs on March 20.​

​

Several observers pointed out that Moscow is likely to ramp up its mobilization efforts after the rigged presidential election, during which Vladimir Putin secured another six years in power.​

ISW: Economic, military indicators suggest Russia is preparing for large-scale war with NATO​

Some economic and military indicators suggest that Russia may be preparing for a large-scale conventional war with NATO, "likely on a shorter timeline than what some Western analysts have initially posited," the Institute for the Study of War assessed in its daily report on March 20.​

​

Although not an imminent threat, the ISW assesses that Russian President Vladimir Putin's emphasis on growing Russia's economic and military capabilities is an indication that Russia is gearing up for conflict beyond "a protracted war in Ukraine."​

Surely Russia won't be capable of anything until they are done in Ukraine and had 2 or 3 years to rearm. War against NATO would be very intense in munition usage and would require a solid stockpile. Russia's problem too is that it would need to defend all it's borders with NATO while NATO can let countries handle their own borders while reinforcing areas opposed to large Russian formations.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

Russia is not sending in everything to Ukraine and is instead building up additional forces for wider / larger conflict.
Their level of mobilization of men and industry suggests additional war for years to come.

Shoigu: Russia to form 2 new armies by the end of 2024​

The Russian Armed Forces will create two new combined arms armies, 14 divisions, and 16 brigades by the end of the year, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said during a meeting with other defense chiefs on March 20.​

​

Several observers pointed out that Moscow is likely to ramp up its mobilization efforts after the rigged presidential election, during which Vladimir Putin secured another six years in power.​

ISW: Economic, military indicators suggest Russia is preparing for large-scale war with NATO​

Some economic and military indicators suggest that Russia may be preparing for a large-scale conventional war with NATO, "likely on a shorter timeline than what some Western analysts have initially posited," the Institute for the Study of War assessed in its daily report on March 20.​

​

Although not an imminent threat, the ISW assesses that Russian President Vladimir Putin's emphasis on growing Russia's economic and military capabilities is an indication that Russia is gearing up for conflict beyond "a protracted war in Ukraine."​

Their secret hidden good army?

 

[rommelrommel]

Russia is not sending in everything to Ukraine and is instead building up additional forces for wider / larger conflict.
Their level of mobilization of men and industry suggests additional war for years to come.

Shoigu: Russia to form 2 new armies by the end of 2024​

The Russian Armed Forces will create two new combined arms armies, 14 divisions, and 16 brigades by the end of the year, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said during a meeting with other defense chiefs on March 20.​

​

Several observers pointed out that Moscow is likely to ramp up its mobilization efforts after the rigged presidential election, during which Vladimir Putin secured another six years in power.​

ISW: Economic, military indicators suggest Russia is preparing for large-scale war with NATO​

Some economic and military indicators suggest that Russia may be preparing for a large-scale conventional war with NATO, "likely on a shorter timeline than what some Western analysts have initially posited," the Institute for the Study of War assessed in its daily report on March 20.​

​

Although not an imminent threat, the ISW assesses that Russian President Vladimir Putin's emphasis on growing Russia's economic and military capabilities is an indication that Russia is gearing up for conflict beyond "a protracted war in Ukraine."​

Armed with what? T54 and MT-LB? Towed D-30 and NK shells?

I'm not arguing that more divisions aren't a threat but their equipment quality just keeps getting worse. And they're also hollowing out their existing divisions, they're going to be like the Germans in 1945 where they had divisions on paper that were more like battalions.

 

[feralkid]

Their secret hidden good army?

"It's uh... it's down there somewhere. Lemme take another look".

 

[Jaskalas]

Their secret hidden good army?

Well, probably at least another 500,000 for the meat waves.
Would be enough to take advantage of the fact that Russian forces border Ukraine on 3 sides. Make more of the frontline active and stress Ukraine's limited resources even further.

 

[Zor Prime]

United States urged Ukraine to stop targeting Russian oil refineries. Sadly the actual article is pay-walled.

 

[Racan]

United States urged Ukraine to stop targeting Russian oil refineries. Sadly the actual article is pay-walled.

I was about to post this myself. Here’s the full article https://archive.is/OTRef

 

[Zor Prime]

I was about to post this myself. Here’s the full article https://archive.is/OTRef

Cool. Good work.

Here's some extra stuff pertaining to this.

 

[misuspita]

WTAF? It's like both parties in the USA want to show the world they don't care about defeating Russia, just making sure they lose just enough.

The surest way to lose soft power... Probably a lot of Europe now scrambles to have its own nuclear umbrella

 

[cytg111]

I dont know… On one hand Ukraine’s best bet at winning is keeping Biden in office come november… On the other hand if the deciding factor on Bidens reelection is going to be Russian oil on the market then Putin will shut those refineries down on his own.

So keep bombing refineries…

 

[misuspita]

Hah, as on cue, I found this

https://twitter.com/x/status/1771038056612610389

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Hah, as on cue, I found this

https://twitter.com/x/status/1771038056612610389

Good, let the work of nuclear non-proliferation falter due to our inadequacies.

 

[K1052]

Asking the Ukrainians to curtail a very successful campaign while we have cut off their aid is a pretty bold ask. They should politely tell us to fuck off.
We don't have any leverage to get them to stop and it is wrong to request it. Ukraine must be able to target Russia, end of story.

Also we look like real assholes keeping Ukraine from defending itself while shipping bombs to Israel who's dropping them on civilians and causing a massive famine.

 

[K1052]

Speaking of Ukrainian drones this one probably enters cruise missile territory.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1771159913902882861

 

[cytg111]

Asking the Ukrainians to curtail a very successful campaign while we have cut off their aid is a pretty bold ask. They should politely tell us to fuck off.
We don't have any leverage to get them to stop and it is wrong to request it. Ukraine must be able to target Russia, end of story.

Also we look like real assholes keeping Ukraine from defending itself while shipping bombs to Israel who's dropping them on civilians and causing a massive famine.

Yea, we kind of thought you cut the cancer out 2020… Why the fuck is it still pestering? Is it terminal?

 

[K1052]

Yea, we kind of thought you cut the cancer out 2020… Why the fuck is it still pestering? Is it terminal?

I read the article and whoever in the admin who is pushing this should be fired. It demonstrates they still don't understand the conflict or even the oil markets which they claim to be worried about. Ukraine is not targeting oil production or oil export, they are going after the refined product many of which Russia already last year prohibited export of.

 

[Brainonska511]

Their secret hidden good army?

They're apparently playing Castle Risk. Once they reveal their hidden army, they get an immediate double reinforcements, and then they can take on the Ottoman and Austrian Empires.

 

[K1052]

They're apparently playing Castle Risk. Once they reveal their hidden army, they get an immediate double reinforcements, and then they can take on the Ottoman and Austrian Empires.

MFers are attacking on Chinese golf carts and tankies want to play like there is some master plan at work here.

 

[Zor Prime]

Yea, we kind of thought you cut the cancer out 2020… Why the fuck is it still pestering? Is it terminal?

It's always easier to point fingers outward but when it comes to the United States the finger should be pointed inward encapsulating everyone within.

On a national scale, independent of whoever is in whatever role or capacity, the United States persists in looking out for its interests.

Ultimately, Russian and Ukrainian lives mean little to the interests of the United States. Or, people of any other country for that matter. If we can profit or find some way to project power and influence (preferably all of the above) then that is what we are interested in. The United States has no friends, then again does any country. We have business partners. Contracts. We barely give a legitimate shit about our own across the board, we are happy to eat our own so long as it means climbing a ladder. Then we're expected to give a shit about other people elsewhere ... for free, with nothing in it for us?

We are all about photo ops, fame and envisioning ourselves better than the other people across the aisle. That we're more righteous, that what we think matters more, that what we do is more important, that we ourselves are more important. It is on display here every single fucking day, all the mud slinging from one side to the other when reality and truth tends to fall somewhere in the middle. You can take the American out of America but you can't take the America out of the American when push comes to shove. Democrats. Republicans. They're still Americans, love or hate'em.

This is why it is critically important for the EU to get its shit together and quit imagining the Americans will be there around every corner and bend if shit hits the fan. Poland has the right idea, 3% of GDP to defense. Right now, should be 10% plus. What good are social programs if you have foreign boots on your soil. Something needs to give. Make it so you aren't the lowest hanging fruit, Russia picks targets they perceive as weak like most bullies do. You needn't outrun a bear, you just can't be found the slowest.

 

[you2]

I read the article and whoever in the admin who is pushing this should be fired. It demonstrates they still don't understand the conflict or even the oil markets which they claim to be worried about. Ukraine is not targeting oil production or oil export, they are going after the refined product many of which Russia already last year prohibited export of.

I'm going to disagree. It is an interesting problem; in order to get support from the USA; Trump cannot be elected; and increase in oil prices increases the chance of Trump being elected. USA is one of Ukraine largest supporter in terms of weapons.
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Now having said that I'm not sure if Ukraine is better off destroying those refineries or waiting till after the election - after all they are falling into a pretty desperate position while Johnson holds up aide. I.e, I'm not saying that they should stop destroying the refineries but they might be better off long term if they did - hard to predict the future.