Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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fskimospy

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The question is how many of those are missiles versus tactical nuclear weapons to be delivered via artillery to dropped by a aircraft? Does Russia even have enough working delivery systems to place them onto the targets that it wants around the world?

Then we have to consider how much the west should take into account Russia's nuclear blackmail to allow Russia to get it's way in Ukraine? This entire war in Ukraine is over Russia's expansion of it's borders after 2014.
The only realistic case for Russia using nuclear weapons is if they face an existential threat. All their other threats should be ignored.
 
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K1052

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The Russians have been saying they are fighting NATO for the last two years to excuse their own disastrous performance.

If a coalition force moved into western Ukraine and took over responsibility for protecting it Russia would do jack shit about it.
 

kage69

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Yeah, it's been a ongoing source of hilarity for me, the Kremlin and Putin going with this Punk Ass Bitch strategy. Pick a fight with a surprisingly proficient opponent. Get the absolute piss slapped out of you. Then warn against more of that by talking shit to the guy's 6'7" 280lb hamfisted buddy.



It's foolproof.
 
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fskimospy

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Interesting article in the Washington Post today about the ongoing Russian influence campaign to reduce US support for Ukraine.


The basic framing of post content described here is nearly identical to what @Young Grasshopper pushes. He very well may just be a useful idiot but he's clearly reading from the same playbook.

For example:

The strategists wrote numerous recommendations for articles or social media posts, the documents show. One sought to compare the level of homelessness in America with that of Russia and states that the United States is starting to increasingly resemble a “Third World country.” A recommended social media comment from a fictitious American in response to the article states: “I am overcome with anger when another Ukrainian aid package is distributed right before my eyes into the pockets of American and Ukrainian officials. Indeed, it is hard to understand such gestures of ‘help’ when one’s own homeless sit at the feet of passersby [and] sleep under bridges.”

Grasshopper repeats it basically verbatim.
 
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Jaskalas

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...repeats it basically verbatim.
To be fair, so does most the MAGA.

But their exclusive interest in US foreign policy topics is a dead give away. As is their contextual framing for many things. Only ever shit talking the US, and the West. Never saying a single bad word about Russia, or Russia's allies. What separates them from MAGA, is that they are the Russians telling MAGA what to say and what to think. We have two of them here, a feeble troll and their smarter supervisor.
 

fskimospy

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To be fair, so does most the MAGA.

But their exclusive interest in US foreign policy topics is a dead give away. As is their contextual framing for many things. Only ever shit talking the US, and the West. Never saying a single bad word about Russia, or Russia's allies. What separates them from MAGA, is that they are the Russians telling MAGA what to say and what to think. We have two of them here, a feeble troll and their smarter supervisor.
This is what makes me think @Young Grasshopper is not just a useful idiot, but of course it's all just a guess. He will NEVER criticize Russia in any way, shape, or form. Most of the MAGA morons are comfortable saying 'sure Russia is terrible but...'. This guy though? Never.

He even refuses to criticize Russia even to the detriment of the point of view he's trying to argue for. His views would be way more credible if he occasionally criticized Russia but for whatever reason he absolutely refuses. Maybe he doesn't want to end up on the wrong side of a window, haha.
 

kage69

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Yep. And the Russian assets do what they can.

Mike Turner, the Chairperson of the US House Intelligence Committee, accused his own party members of repeating Russian propaganda on the House floor. He's not alone either.

"Russian propaganda has made its way into the United States, unfortunately, and it’s infected a good chunk of my party’s base,” - Michael McCaul (R), Chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee



Russia and Putin are victims. Don't let this be democracy vs. fascist dictatorship. Lather. Rinse. Repeat.
 

vi edit

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There's all kind of horse shit sleeper accounts in this forum that will never get the attention they should. There's a pile of accounts started around 2014 that just sit dormant, post a handful of things in a graphics card or processor forum and then just jump balls deep into heated political topics years later.

Uh huh.

I know we're just a splash in a pond as far as influence but it still drew some interest from some bad actors looking to seed disinformation.
 

you2

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There's all kind of horse shit sleeper accounts in this forum that will never get the attention they should. There's a pile of accounts started around 2014 that just sit dormant, post a handful of things in a graphics card or processor forum and then just jump balls deep into heated political topics years later.

Uh huh.

I know we're just a splash in a pond as far as influence but it still drew some interest from some bad actors looking to seed disinformation.
Would be good to see a map of their ips and the vpn they are using.
 
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cytg111

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The only realistic case for Russia using nuclear weapons is if they face an existential threat. All their other threats should be ignored.
For varying degrees of existential. Invasion force on Russia proper? Newly annexed territories in Ukraine? Crimea?
 

cytg111

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Invasion force on Russia proper, and one that appears likely to succeed.
Yes, that makes sense. It's just, at what point has Russia diminished itself to the point where it's an existential threat to itself? All gear all manpower fertilizer in Ukraine - at which point it wont take much of an force of anything to pose an existential threat to "Russia proper".
All I see is blurry lines.
 

K1052

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The thing about threats to Russian territorial integrity is that they are entirely made up by the Kremlin to justify theirs against other sovereign nations. Nobody, I mean not a single fucking soul, wants to annex part of Russia because it sucks and is full of people who suck. Like if they offered to give Kaliningrad to the Poles they would decline.
 

you2

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The only realistic case for Russia using nuclear weapons is if they face an existential threat. All their other threats should be ignored.
The problem is your defn of existential threat is not the same as Russia; the person making the decision is Putin and Putin likely defn is preventing something from happening that causes him to not control the situation. So it wouldn't take him as much as for example a rational person because fundamentally Putin is irrational.
 
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K1052

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The problem is your defn of existential threat is not the same as Russia; the person making the decision is Putin and Putin likely defn is preventing something from happening that causes him to not control the situation. So it wouldn't take him as much as for example a rational person because fundamentally Putin is irrational.

Putin is not going to nuke Paris over Donetsk oblast and would be shot in the face if he tried.
 

Pens1566

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The problem is your defn of existential threat is not the same as Russia; the person making the decision is Putin and Putin likely defn is preventing something from happening that causes him to not control the situation. So it wouldn't take him as much as for example a rational person because fundamentally Putin is irrational.

Yeah, I don't necessarily think it has to be a real existential threat. Just perceived as one by Vlad. He'd likely burn the world if he was at risk.
 
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Yep. And the Russian assets do what they can.

Mike Turner, the Chairperson of the US House Intelligence Committee, accused his own party members of repeating Russian propaganda on the House floor. He's not alone either.

"Russian propaganda has made its way into the United States, unfortunately, and it’s infected a good chunk of my party’s base,” - Michael McCaul (R), Chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee



Russia and Putin are victims. Don't let this be democracy vs. fascist dictatorship. Lather. Rinse. Repeat.
I wasn't going to post this, but since you posted that .....


Greene Applauds Russia for 'Protecting Christianity'

Greene said Ukraine and not Russia has persecuted more Christians, despite numerous organizations around the globe disputing that claim.
 
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