Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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raildogg

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Part of this article, fairly balanced and makes notes of both Ukrainian and Russian weaknesses:

  • Zelensky stated in an interview with PBS News Hour, which aired on April 15, that Ukrainian forces continue to lack enough air defense systems to protect Ukraine’s critical infrastructure. Zelensky noted that Ukrainian forces were only able to destroy the first seven of the 11 Russian missiles launched against the Trypilska Thermal Power Plant (TPP) on April 11 before running out of air defense missiles, allowing the remaining four missiles to destroy the plant
  • Zelensky also expressed frustration with the differential US response to strikes against Ukraine and Israel and stated that the United States and the West are continuing to limit military aid out of the false belief that such self-restraint will prevent further Russian aggression
  • Zelensky reported that Ukrainian forces currently suffer from a 1-to-10 artillery shell disadvantage and that this artillery ammunition disadvantage allows Russian forces to push Ukrainian forces back each day. ISW continues to assess that continued US delays in security assistance to Ukraine limit Ukrainian forces’ ability to conduct effective defensive operations while giving Russian forces flexibility in conducting offensive operations — a dynamic that can lead to compounding and non-linear opportunities for Russian forces to make operationally significant gains in the future
  • The new mobilization law, which the Ukrainian Verkhovna Rada adopted on April 11, lowers the Ukrainian draft age from 27 to 25 years of age, cancels the status of “limited suitability” for military service, and requires citizens living abroad to register for military service in Ukraine. Ukrainian military officials have emphasized the exigency of a new Ukrainian mobilization law to address Ukraine’s manpower shortages that, together with the shortages of Western aid, are making Ukrainian defense on critical areas of the front extremely difficult
  • Ukraine’s ability to defend throughout the theater and eventually contest Russia’s battlefield initiative is contingent on Ukraine’s ability to restore existing units and create new units, as well as on the provision of US military assistance to existing and new units
  • Russian forces in eastern Ukraine are using smaller groups to conduct assaults and are reportedly suffering from morale issues, but Russian attacks are unlikely to culminate in the near term despite these challenges because of Ukrainian materiel shortages.
  • Muzychuk stated that Russian forces are also using small vehicles without protection to approach Ukrainian positions quickly and set conditions for a subsequent Russian infantry group to secure these positions. Muzychuk reported that Ukrainian drones destroyed about 70 percent of Russian armored vehicles last week, although it is unclear if Muzychuk is claiming that Ukrainian drones actually destroyed armored vehicles or temporarily rendered them hors de combat
  • Russian forces previously used mass infantry-led frontal assaults in their seizure of Bakhmut and in the beginning of the Russian effort to seize Avdiivka, but Russian forces appear to have shifted to using smaller infantry groups recently to conduct ground attacks.[10] Russian sources have also recently indicated that Russian forces suffered from exhaustion and lacked rotations but had to continue to fight on new lines west of Avdiivka following Russia’s seizure of Avdiivka.
Seems like a fairly neutral article, showing Ukraine's lack of material and manpower while mentioning problems with the Russian military operation. In fact this article is not shy about mentioning Ukrainian accounts of Russian weakness, but that's OK because I get the sense it is fairly balanced.

 

raildogg

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In what post was that, specifically?

Hopefully you can link me some where you condemn Russia’s invasion here with the same vitriol you have for Israel’s.
It is post 36,440

True, wars are bad and NATO expansion is bad too. Maybe both can be eliminated because the Soviet Union is no longer there. NATO also makes individual countries weaker because they depend on the larger hegemon for protection. This point cannot be even argued because Europe is weak today militarily due to dependence on America, because of NATO.
 

fskimospy

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It is post 36,440
Got it - so no condemnation of Russia as I predicted and even an attempt to justify Russia’s invasion by saying they felt threatened. Israel felt threatened too, and with far more justification, but you carry water for Russia and rate at Israel. Why such a blatant double standard?

It is impossible for people to take your posts seriously when you display this sort of naked hypocrisy.
 

raildogg

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Sure, that is fine. A lot of people in the West are excusing Israel's genocide so that is not a big surprise. After all, Israel is a creation of the West and is armed and funded by them, so this does make sense. I hope the rest of the world holds the America and Western Europe complicit in genocide. Nicaragua, Colombia, South Africa and maybe others are making good claims, some even have taken action at the ICJ.

Colombia seeks to join Gaza genocide case against Israel at World Court

Good to see some morality in the Western hemisphere, because we surely won't see it from the US. And Germany is even worse by denying free speech to victims of Israel's genocide. But Germany has usually been on the wrong side when it comes to genocide so this disgusting behavior is no surprise.

The situation with Russia is different and therefore cannot be directly compared as mentioned many times before. But Team Ukraine cannot understand this and want to make everything about Ukraine.
 
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Took him several months to figure this out. Unfortunately it appears that some board members are still confused on this point.

“I really do believe the intel and in the briefings that we’ve gotten,” Johnson said. “I believe Xi [Jinping] and Vladimir Putin and Iran really are an axis of evil,” warning that Russia could march west across Europe if not stopped now. “To put it bluntly, I would rather send bullets to Ukraine than American boys.”

Mike Johnson Opposed Ukraine Aid. Then He Risked His Job for It.
 

raildogg

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Another American neocon using the words Axis of Evil. Reminds of the "War on Terror" days, whose real name should have been "War of Terror by the USA."

We know how that turned out for victims of US war crimes after Bush used those words to describe North Korea, Iraq and Iran.

I am sure the Iraqis are thankful for the wonderful democracy gifted to them by the US, same goes for Afghans and Lybians and Syrians.
 

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Another American neocon using the words Axis of Evil. Reminds of the "War on Terror" days, whose real name should have been "War of Terror by the USA."

We know how that turned out for victims of US war crimes after Bush used those words to describe North Korea, Iraq and Iran.

I am sure the Iraqis are thankful for the wonderful democracy gifted to them by the US, same goes for Afghans and Lybians and Syrians.
The US used nearly an identical reason for invading Iraq as Russia used here - that the US felt threatened. If it’s good enough for Russia why not good enough for the US?
 

raildogg

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The only difference here is that Iraq is many thousands of miles away, US had faulty intelligence, refused to listen to some of the inspectors and was hell bent on retribution after 9/11. Just to mention one of the many key differences here. So America felt threated by a very poor and weak country, made even weaker by US sanctions and brutal war, and used that to create millions of refugees and kill hundreds of thousands of innocent people. This is on top of the 500,00 Iraqi children that US sanctions killed.


Damn, look at these American talking points. I think the same type of talking points are used today. What disgusting people.
 

fskimospy

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The only difference here is that Iraq is many thousands of miles away, US had faulty intelligence, refused to listen to some of the inspectors and was hell bent on retribution after 9/11. Just to mention one of the many key differences here.
Why would distance matter? The US felt threatened and you consider feeling threatened to be a valid justification.
 

raildogg

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Distance matters a great deal in order to give legitimacy to a threat. For example, if Papua New Guinea said they will wage war on the US, this would not be a real threat because of distance and ability of Papua New Guinea.
 

Brovane

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Another American neocon using the words Axis of Evil. Reminds of the "War on Terror" days, whose real name should have been "War of Terror by the USA."

We know how that turned out for victims of US war crimes after Bush used those words to describe North Korea, Iraq and Iran.

I am sure the Iraqis are thankful for the wonderful democracy gifted to them by the US, same goes for Afghans and Lybians and Syrians.

When Russia is castrating prisoners, they might be a problem that requires some effort to deal with.

She thought she was unshockable, then two castrated Ukrainian soldiers arrived
 

raildogg

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You want me to list US war crimes in Afghanistan and Iraq and other places? I won't even mention Vietnam and other wars of aggression in the past. Just modern times. If you're going to play that game, then that's OK.

By putting countries on this ridiculous "Axis of Evil" list you justify going to war with them.
 

fskimospy

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Distance matters a great deal in order to give legitimacy to a threat. For example, if Papua New Guinea said they will wage war on the US, this would not be a real threat because of distance and ability of Papua New Guinea.
No.

The stated threat was that Iraq would attack the US with WMDs, something that does not require proximity to do.

So by your own logic the US invasion of Iraq was justifiable as the US felt threatened. I’m just applying your own logic consistently.
 
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You want me to list US war crimes in Afghanistan and Iraq and other places? I won't even mention Vietnam and other wars of aggression in the past. Just modern times. If you're going to play that game, then that's OK.

By putting countries on this ridiculous "Axis of Evil" list you justify going to war with them.

Is your entire argument that it is ok for Russia to commit war crimes in Ukraine because US did it in Iraqi?
 

fskimospy

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You want me to list US war crimes in Afghanistan and Iraq and other places? I won't even mention Vietnam and other wars of aggression in the past. Just modern times. If you're going to play that game, then that's OK.

By putting countries on this ridiculous "Axis of Evil" list you justify going to war with them.
There’s no need because we condemn war crimes and wars of aggression regardless of the source.

What we are asking of you is to be consistent in your principles. If war crimes are bad when the US does them then they are bad when Russia does them. If the US unprovoked invasion of iraq is bad then Russia unprovoked invasion of Ukraine is bad.

I have no problem saying the US invasion of Iraq was wrong. Can you say the simple words ‘the Russian invasion of Ukraine is wrong’? Shouldn’t be hard.
 

kage69

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You want me to list US war crimes in Afghanistan and Iraq and other places? I won't even mention Vietnam and other wars of aggression in the past. Just modern times. If you're going to play that game, then that's OK.


No, we want you to pull your head out of your ass. America wasn't committing genocide in Iraq or Afghanistan, there was no effort to wipe out people if they didn't embrace English, there was no kidnapping of children and sending them to the States. We brought security, food and medicine with us while we pursued our mission. Offenders that breached the rules of war were arrested and tried. You don't see that with Russians, who were actually encouraged to get nasty with ungrateful Ukrainians, even issued Viagra. Even better, Putin decorated the animals that destroyed the families of Bucha. Americans were giving clean water, food and de-worming meds to Afghani children, for years. Russians have been dropping butterfly mines on population centers. When they fled Kherson they rigged playgrounds with traps for kids. The level of your inability to make simple deductions is just breathtaking sometimes, I think it's one of the reasons I feel sorry for you. Life must be hard if this isn't an act.

You're a joke rail, it doesn't matter what you mention when all you do is lie and spew ignorant nonsense. Bring up Vietnam. So what? You mean Ancient, Ancient history as the other cyka would call it? Oh no, another country and war you know fuck all about. A shameless, lying, Putin sucking pissant is going to unleash his lack of integrity all over the place, and shit, we're all just really intimidated now. Positively stinging with indignation over here haha




Tell you what cyka, I'll make it easy for you: link us up a single Afghani equivalent of what happened in Bucha. Rampant torture and executions. Rape rooms. Mass graves. The full Putin Special. Ready, set, go.

Or is this one too scary to answer as well?
 
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kage69

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Speaking of Russian jokes... *clears throat*





An American spy is in Soviet Russia, digging up information on a powerful Russian politician. He finds him in a bar, walks in dressed in Russian attire, pretending to be Russian. Everybody in the bar looks at him, but he keeps his cool. He orders a drink and walks to the politician.

“Greetings, comrade.” says the spy, but before he could finish his sentence, the Russian says, “I think you are American spy.” The spy is alarmed, but being a skilled, trained, spy, he says, “That is not true! I am the proudest Soviet there is! I can sing the anthem more beautifully than any other man in the country!” He then proceeds to sing the Soviet anthem, so melodically and beautifully, that everybody in the bar cheers. “Very good, very good!” says the politician. “But I still think you are spy.”

The man continues to keep his cool.

“I am a historian! I can tell you everything about this glorious country!” He then spends about two hours recounting the Revolution, the Great Patriotic War, about how superior to the Russia is in terms of technology compared to America and makes a great argument about how communism is beneficial to society. “Amazing! You are skilled!” says the politician.

The spy smirks.

“But I still think you American spy.”

The spy is getting frustrated, but still unfazed.

He replies, “I am good drinker, a true Russian! Let us drink, and see who can come out top!” The bar turns its attention to the politician and the spy, who are now in a drinking contest. The bartender serves drink after drink of vodka. After about an hour of drinking, the politician nearly passes out, unable to hold as much liquor as the spy, to a resounding cheer amongst the bar. In the midst of the cheering, the Russian politician gets up, smiling, and in slurred speech, repeats, “You are good, you are good… but I still think you are spy.”

The American spy, very drunk, loses his skill and gives up. “Okay, you got me. I am an American. But what made you think that way, after all this time?” The Russian politician replies, “There aren’t many black people in Russia.”
 
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This is a very good documentary by DW on Russian Propaganda which is not just their TV but indoctrination of the soldiers and children in schools. The repression of any views against the war and the government is all part the oppression and indoctrination of the Russian society. This is basically the modern day Hitler Nazi brainwashing of the entire Russian Society on multiple levels including oppression of decent and false narratives spun to school children, military personal, and society as a whole.

 

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Jaskalas

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This is a very good documentary by DW on Russian Propaganda which is not just their TV but indoctrination of the soldiers and children in schools. The repression of any views against the war and the government is all part the oppression and indoctrination of the Russian society. This is basically the modern day Hitler Nazi brainwashing of the entire Russian Society on multiple levels including oppression of decent and false narratives spun to school children, military personal, and society as a whole.
Given the success rate of proper western air defense.
And the extreme radicalization Russia has against life.
We should seriously consider a first strike option.

We clearly have the means of stopping any ballistic missile. Mass produce the defense, then let our offense rip.
 

K1052

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Now that is a dangerous fucking game

The GRU has a long history of active measures in Europe that the west has not been willing to reciprocate. Ukraine’s intel services have no such hesitation and there are certainly no complaints about them striking in Russia from the Euros. The Kremlin reaping what they’ve been so long sowing I’m sure is a nice change of pace.
 
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