Russian Hacking (You People are Idiots)

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I am fatigued from keeping up with the other thread. This one will be to discuss a different take on this.

It seems that intelligence is quite confident that Russia orchestrated cyber attacks against the US election. This is true independent of any intent or efficacy in undermining a particular candidate or party and changing the votes of the election.

The reaction has been one of divisive partisan politics wherein Americans' main focus is on whether Trump's presidency is legit.

Wake up people. Russia orchestrated an attack on our political system. This is an act of war. In saying so I am not calling for us to declare war on Russia, merely for us to see plainly the aggressive act against the US. Not against Clinton. Not against Democrats. Not against Republicans. Against the US government.

Seeing this as an opportunity to correct an injustice in our election results or otherwise to defend against the notion that the attacks may discredit those results is wrong. We are Americans first. Russia attacked America. America should respond to Russia. When parties respond to each other, even seeing it as an opportunity to discredit each other, we are taking responsibility for Russia's attack. I don't think they could have set it up any better.

Discuss.

 

[Kazukian]

What do you want our government to do?

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

What do you mean "you people"???

 

[OrByte]

undermining our IC is only going to bring more trouble down the road.

As American's we should be in support of our IC and of Obama and his admin as they sort this sh!t out and decide on appropriate responses to this attack.

 

[fskimospy]

I am fatigued from keeping up with the other thread. This one will be to discuss a different take on this.

It seems that intelligence is quite confident that Russia orchestrated cyber attacks against the US election. This is true independent of any intent or efficacy in undermining a particular candidate or party and changing the votes of the election.

The reaction has been one of divisive partisan politics wherein Americans' main focus is on whether Trump's presidency is legit.

Wake up people. Russia orchestrated an attack on our political system. This is an act of war. In saying so I am not calling for us to declare war on Russia, merely for us to see plainly the aggressive act against the US. Not against Clinton. Not against Democrats. Not against Republicans. Against the US government.

Seeing this as an opportunity to correct an injustice in our election results or otherwise to defend against the notion that the attacks may discredit those results is wrong. We are Americans first. Russia attacked America. America should respond to Russia. When parties respond to each other, even seeing it as an opportunity to discredit each other, we are taking responsibility for Russia's attack. I don't think they could have set it up any better.

Discuss.

I am not aware of a single liberal/Democrat on here who wants to change the election results due to this hacking. I am aware of quite a few conservatives/Republicans who have used it to attack their domestic political opposition or otherwise try to denigrate/dismiss calls by people to address this forcefully. Trying to compare the two is to engage in false equivalence.

I agree with your statement that the US has been attacked by Russia and this demands a forceful, united response. I do not agree that both sides are equally to blame for this lack of unity.

 

[Leyawiin]

I am fatigued from keeping up with the other thread. This one will be to discuss a different take on this.

It doesn't matter whether you're personally tired or not, there's an established thread on this subject.

 

[Kazukian]

I'm fatigued as well. I do want congressional briefings and hearings, hopefully, they'll happen soon.

 

[rudder]

Do we need another thread on this? Obama has already told American that is impossible to rig a U.S. election.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Do we need another thread on this? Obama has already told American that is impossible to rig a U.S. election.

Do you understand the difference between rigging and influencing?

 

[rudder]

Do you understand the difference between rigging and influencing?

Do you understand what the OP wrote? If not I will whip out my 3rd grade translator tool and break it down for you.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Do you understand what the OP wrote? If not I will whip out my 3rd grade translator tool and break it down for you.

I was responding to your statement specifically. The President said nothing about the election being influenced. What you stated is irrelevant to the OP.

 

[umbrella39]

Nice to see someone showing up in this thread being a false equivalece weaving partisan tool...

 

[pauldun170]

Other countries avoid these issues by censoring the crap out of media and internet.

All we can do is that air america radio crap.
And subliminal Michael Jackson videos.
Damn world you scary

 

[qliveur]

Wake up people. Russia orchestrated an attack on our political system.

Evidence?

 

[AnonymouseUser]

Evidence?

Soon. They still have to Photoshop and Xerox the document/s.

 

[boomerang]

Wake up people. Russia orchestrated an attack on our political system.

What do you cite as proof?

 

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http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/12/politics/russian-hack-donald-trump-2016-election/

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/13/us/politics/russia-hack-election-dnc.html

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...personally-involved-u-s-election-hack-n696146

Top 3 google results. Whether this is sufficient proof to you is not my interest. Here are 3 major news outlets reporting it. I have no personal evidence beyond the media.

 

[AnonymouseUser]

I have no personal evidence beyond the media.

Neither does Congress.

 

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I am not aware of a single liberal/Democrat on here who wants to change the election results due to this hacking. I am aware of quite a few conservatives/Republicans who have used it to attack their domestic political opposition or otherwise try to denigrate/dismiss calls by people to address this forcefully. Trying to compare the two is to engage in false equivalence.

I agree with your statement that the US has been attacked by Russia and this demands a forceful, united response. I do not agree that both sides are equally to blame for this lack of unity.

I did not intend to create a false equivalency on the blame for a lack of unity. I merely wished to point out that this was the result and it was a problem, and that it was not a unilateral problem.

I think the most important problem is putting our attention to Russia attacking our election. There are 32 pages of discussion in the other thread, and only a handful of posts put the attention there.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Neither does Congress.

That is actually untrue. Several members of Congress involved in the intelligence committees etc... have been very specifically briefed on what the evidence is. As far as I'm aware none of them, D or R, have come out and said there's no evidence. The only ones I've seen speak publicly have all said it's clear.

 

[jammix]

Let me get this straight. Democrats and liberals are upset Russia exposed their corrupt emails to the public? Your mad you got caught. What a joke...
Sure, a congressional investigation into Russian Hacking can happen as soon as charges are filed against Hillary Clinton for leaking classified information. That would seem fair and bipartisan.

 

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Let me get this straight. Democrats and liberals are upset Russia exposed their corrupt emails to the public? Your mad you got caught. What a joke...
Sure, a congressional investigation into Russian Hacking can happen as soon as charges are filed against Hillary Clinton for leaking classified information. That would seem fair and bipartisan.

Are you agreeing that a foreign government took specific coordinated action to corrupt the US presidential election?

And you only care about that on the condition that Hillary Clinton be prosecuted for her email scandal? How are these two things related?

 

[boomerang]

http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/12/politics/russian-hack-donald-trump-2016-election/

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/13/us/politics/russia-hack-election-dnc.html

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...personally-involved-u-s-election-hack-n696146

Top 3 google results. Whether this is sufficient proof to you is not my interest. Here are 3 major news outlets reporting it. I have no personal evidence beyond the media.

So, notwithstanding that these are the types of media outlets that we know can't be trusted, they being purveyors of fake news, is your anxiety centered around you feeling that the actual vote casting process was compromised or that the DNC's inner workings were exposed? The former is a problem the latter is merely the shedding of sunlight.

 

[Sinsear]

What do you want our government to do?

Obama stood by and did nothing. Liberals can thank him for Trump.

 

[jammix]

Are you agreeing that a foreign government took specific coordinated action to corrupt the US presidential election?

And you only care about that on the condition that Hillary Clinton be prosecuted for her email scandal? How are these two things related?

US interfere in every election around the World, now are you butthurt?
Ok, so we're supposed to be concerned that the Russians hit us with the TRUTH about corruption in our own government? The collusion and fraud that was committed by the Democrats DISQUALIFIES them from any chance of becoming President. No one thinks those emails were lies!!! They STOLE the nomination from Bernie! I can't believe the spew that we're supposed to be "concerned" about.