Russia's future civil war?

[bamacre]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070413/ts_nm/russia_revolution_berezovsky_dc_1

LONDON (Reuters) - Russian billionaire Boris Berezovsky said he is planning a revolution in Russia to topple President Vladimir Putin, in comments published on Friday.

"We need to use force to change this regime," Berezovsky, who has received asylum in Britain, told the Guardian newspaper.

"It isn't possible to change this regime through democratic means. There can be no change without force, pressure."

Asked if he was fomenting a revolution, he said: "You are absolutely correct."

Berezovsky, a vocal critic of Putin, said he was in contact with members of Russia's political elite.

He said these people -- who he did not name because, he said, that would endanger their lives -- shared his opinion that Putin was eroding democratic reforms, centralizing power and infringing Russia's constitution, according to the Guardian.

"There is no chance of regime change through democratic elections," Berezovsky said.

Sounds serious to me.

What is disturbing in my eyes is that eventually the USA may end up in the same boat. The current administrations' secrecy, trampling on the constituion and the Bill of Rights, along with the Democrats still being as impotent as Richard Simmons visting the Playboy mansion, I don't see a bright future ahead.

In the end though, it's our own damn fault, as well as the Russian citizens. We sit by and do nothing while we could be making change peacefully, then decide to act only when change must be brought via violence. Well, I hope we don't wait that long anyway.

Where's a Gandhi when we need one?

 

[BlancoNino]

:Q

 

[MadRat]

Nothing a little polonium won't cure.

 

[bamacre]

I wonder if Putin will declare that the UK is housing terrorists.

 

[MadRat]

Terrorists target civilians. Revolutionaries target governments. Other than his blowhard announcement we have no evidence he's legit.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: MadRat
Terrorists target civilians. Revolutionaries target governments. Other than his blowhard announcement we have no evidence he's legit.

Let's assume he is legit.

Putin puts together a "Reichstag fire" and blames him/insurgents. Now you have the term, "terrorists" thrown around.

Putin is not dumb, if this guy is legit, and adament about trying to remove Putin from power, Putin will fight it, hard.

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: bamacre
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070413/ts_nm/russia_revolution_berezovsky_dc_1

LONDON (Reuters) - Russian billionaire Boris Berezovsky said he is planning a revolution in Russia to topple President Vladimir Putin, in comments published on Friday.

"We need to use force to change this regime," Berezovsky, who has received asylum in Britain, told the Guardian newspaper.

"It isn't possible to change this regime through democratic means. There can be no change without force, pressure."

Asked if he was fomenting a revolution, he said: "You are absolutely correct."

Berezovsky, a vocal critic of Putin, said he was in contact with members of Russia's political elite.

He said these people -- who he did not name because, he said, that would endanger their lives -- shared his opinion that Putin was eroding democratic reforms, centralizing power and infringing Russia's constitution, according to the Guardian.

"There is no chance of regime change through democratic elections," Berezovsky said.

Sounds serious to me.

What is disturbing in my eyes is that eventually the USA may end up in the same boat. The current administrations' secrecy, trampling on the constituion and the Bill of Rights, along with the Democrats still being as impotent as Richard Simmons visting the Playboy mansion, I don't see a bright future ahead.

In the end though, it's our own damn fault, as well as the Russian citizens. We sit by and do nothing while we could be making change peacefully, then decide to act only when change must be brought via violence. Well, I hope we don't wait that long anyway.

Where's a Gandhi when we need one?

I don't see any correlation between Russia the USA.

 

[CanOWorms]

More EU propaganda against Russia. When will it stop?

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: MadRat
Nothing a little polonium won't cure.

hehe, I think they'll try something else this time.

 

[Farang]

I have a hard time buying this. If he was such a political genius he wouldn't have made the stupid move of announcing his intentions.

 

[theeedude]

Berezovskiy has no chance. He is hugely unpopular in Russia, and Putin very popular.

 

[Drift3r]

Originally posted by: MadRat
Terrorists target civilians. Revolutionaries target governments. Other than his blowhard announcement we have no evidence he's legit.

So the mailman is not a civilian? Is the school board official not a civilian? Is the tax collector not a civilian? The local mayor not a civilian?, etc....All these folks hold government jobs.

Revolutions like all wars almost always end up knee deep in the blood of "civilians". Even if they are not the main target.

 

[5to1baby1in5]

Stalin had the solution for fot these 'counter-revolutionary infiltrators.' Reference The Great Purge.

Originally posted by: bamacre
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070413/ts_nm/russia_revolution_berezovsky_dc_1

LONDON (Reuters) - Russian billionaire Boris Berezovsky said he is planning a revolution in Russia to topple President Vladimir Putin, in comments published on Friday.

"We need to use force to change this regime," Berezovsky, who has received asylum in Britain, told the Guardian newspaper.

"It isn't possible to change this regime through democratic means. There can be no change without force, pressure."

Asked if he was fomenting a revolution, he said: "You are absolutely correct."

Berezovsky, a vocal critic of Putin, said he was in contact with members of Russia's political elite.

He said these people -- who he did not name because, he said, that would endanger their lives -- shared his opinion that Putin was eroding democratic reforms, centralizing power and infringing Russia's constitution, according to the Guardian.

"There is no chance of regime change through democratic elections," Berezovsky said.

Sounds serious to me.

What is disturbing in my eyes is that eventually the USA may end up in the same boat. The current administrations' secrecy, trampling on the constituion and the Bill of Rights, along with the Democrats still being as impotent as Richard Simmons visting the Playboy mansion, I don't see a bright future ahead.

In the end though, it's our own damn fault, as well as the Russian citizens. We sit by and do nothing while we could be making change peacefully, then decide to act only when change must be brought via violence. Well, I hope we don't wait that long anyway.

Where's a Gandhi when we need one?

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

Originally posted by: senseamp
Berezovskiy has no chance. He is hugely unpopular in Russia, and Putin very popular.

Yeah, I was listening to this on NPR/BBC World. Russians apparently think the police, army, and press sux . . . but they love Putin. Basically, a country of Bush43 supporters.

 

[Genx87]

Bush is out in under 2 years, Putin isnt.

I had read a few articles about Putins new intelligence agency that makes the old KGB looks like a joke. Under the old Soviet regime the KGB had to answer to the party. Apparently this new regime answers to nobody.

I'd expect this guy to wind up in a British hospital with radtion poisoning shortly.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: bamacre
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070413/ts_nm/russia_revolution_berezovsky_dc_1

LONDON (Reuters) - Russian billionaire Boris Berezovsky said he is planning a revolution in Russia to topple President Vladimir Putin, in comments published on Friday.

"We need to use force to change this regime," Berezovsky, who has received asylum in Britain, told the Guardian newspaper.

"It isn't possible to change this regime through democratic means. There can be no change without force, pressure."

Asked if he was fomenting a revolution, he said: "You are absolutely correct."

Berezovsky, a vocal critic of Putin, said he was in contact with members of Russia's political elite.

He said these people -- who he did not name because, he said, that would endanger their lives -- shared his opinion that Putin was eroding democratic reforms, centralizing power and infringing Russia's constitution, according to the Guardian.

"There is no chance of regime change through democratic elections," Berezovsky said.

Sounds serious to me.

Sounds like a serious way to obtain polonium. I feel sorry for the guy?s family, if they come down with radiation sickness via close contact.

What is disturbing in my eyes is that eventually the USA may end up in the same boat. The current administrations' secrecy, trampling on the constituion and the Bill of Rights, along with the Democrats still being as impotent as Richard Simmons visting the Playboy mansion, I don't see a bright future ahead.

In the end though, it's our own damn fault, as well as the Russian citizens. We sit by and do nothing while we could be making change peacefully, then decide to act only when change must be brought via violence. Well, I hope we don't wait that long anyway.

Where's a Gandhi when we need one?

You mention a Russian civil war, and then compare the current administration as in you feel the need to do the same thing? Then you mention Gandhi?.. which may as well be the opposite of your idea that civil war is coming.

Well, I hope you understand that the current administration only has one and a half more years, and then it?s replaced. However, the replacement is guaranteed to maintain the same authoritarian abuses of power Bush has committed. Democrats and Republicans are the same corruption in this regard.

So then if voting does not absolve Washington?s abuse of power, then perhaps you already have your answer on if our revolution is peaceful or not. The answer has long since been pre-determined merely on the basis of human nature.

 

[Arcex]

Originally posted by: MadRat
Nothing a little polonium won't cure.

Ya beat me to it.


He won't be overthrowing Putin anytime soon, its a question of resources. Putin as the head of a world power has far more resources he can bring to bear (even if he has to do it in secret) than Berezovsky can bring to bear out in the open.

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: bamacre
What is disturbing in my eyes is that eventually the USA may end up in the same boat. The current administrations' secrecy, trampling on the constituion and the Bill of Rights, along with the Democrats still being as impotent as Richard Simmons visting the Playboy mansion, I don't see a bright future ahead.

In the end though, it's our own damn fault, as well as the Russian citizens. We sit by and do nothing while we could be making change peacefully, then decide to act only when change must be brought via violence. Well, I hope we don't wait that long anyway.

Where's a Gandhi when we need one?

Completely different situations. Not only is there an election held every 4 years in the US, but power does change. You might think the Democrats are impotent, but simply being in power got Rumsfeld fired the next day, and Bush is now a lameduck and can't get everything rubber stamped.

 

[lozina]

Originally posted by: Genx87
Bush is out in under 2 years, Putin isnt.

I had read a few articles about Putins new intelligence agency that makes the old KGB looks like a joke. Under the old Soviet regime the KGB had to answer to the party. Apparently this new regime answers to nobody.

I'd expect this guy to wind up in a British hospital with radtion poisoning shortly.

Before you go on your Russia bashing maybe you should know that Putin's term is expiring in 2008 and just like in USA they don't get a third term.

Putin enjoys something like 80% public support ratings

 

[Fern]

Asked if he was fomenting a revolution, he said: "You are absolutely correct."

Just more proof that having a lot of money =! intellegence.

Fern

 

[imported_Shivetya]

Originally posted by: bamacreWhat is disturbing in my eyes is that eventually the USA may end up in the same boat. The current administrations' secrecy, trampling on the constituion and the Bill of Rights, along with the Democrats still being as impotent as Richard Simmons visting the Playboy mansion, I don't see a bright future ahead.

you forgot your hat :roll:

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: Genx87
Bush is out in under 2 years, Putin isnt.

I had read a few articles about Putins new intelligence agency that makes the old KGB looks like a joke. Under the old Soviet regime the KGB had to answer to the party. Apparently this new regime answers to nobody.

I'd expect this guy to wind up in a British hospital with radtion poisoning shortly.

Don't believe everything you read. Putin will be out next year.
The new regime answers to Benjamin Franklin.
And FSB has a long way to go before it makes itself even a blip on the radar compared to the old KGB.

 

[imported_Lothar]

I wish him good luck.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: bamacre
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070413/ts_nm/russia_revolution_berezovsky_dc_1

LONDON (Reuters) - Russian billionaire Boris Berezovsky said he is planning a revolution in Russia to topple President Vladimir Putin, in comments published on Friday.

"We need to use force to change this regime," Berezovsky, who has received asylum in Britain, told the Guardian newspaper.

"It isn't possible to change this regime through democratic means. There can be no change without force, pressure."

Asked if he was fomenting a revolution, he said: "You are absolutely correct."

Berezovsky, a vocal critic of Putin, said he was in contact with members of Russia's political elite.

He said these people -- who he did not name because, he said, that would endanger their lives -- shared his opinion that Putin was eroding democratic reforms, centralizing power and infringing Russia's constitution, according to the Guardian.

"There is no chance of regime change through democratic elections," Berezovsky said.

Sounds serious to me.

What is disturbing in my eyes is that eventually the USA may end up in the same boat. The current administrations' secrecy, trampling on the constituion and the Bill of Rights, along with the Democrats still being as impotent as Richard Simmons visting the Playboy mansion, I don't see a bright future ahead.

In the end though, it's our own damn fault, as well as the Russian citizens. We sit by and do nothing while we could be making change peacefully, then decide to act only when change must be brought via violence. Well, I hope we don't wait that long anyway.

Where's a Gandhi when we need one?

I don't see any correlation between Russia the USA.

I think you need to take the blinders off

 

[Termagant]

Originally posted by: Lothar
I wish him good luck.

What a dangerous thing to say. Don't ingest any metal. :shocked: