Discussion Ryzen 9000X3D series review thread

[Doug S]

I know you guys are mostly only worried about the high end 9950X type stuff but I'd been thinking it was about time to build a new PC soon when my old one just up and died (still don't know what happened, it hung on reboot so I tried to power cycle it but it wouldn't come up no beeps from the board, no video, nothing despite hours fiddling and trying various things) so I was forced to do a bit of a rush job. Was happy to see there were a bunch of things on discount so I snagged a 9600X discounted on Amazon, an Asrock Lightning 620i ITX, 48 GB of RAM for under $90 from Amazon, a 2GB & 4G Samsung 990 Pro nvme heavily discounted, and a really nifty no name mITX/mATX case for $60 (looks great but I had to go to work on it with a multitool to make the 150x150x86 ATX PS I was reusing from before fit, and came with instructions in Chinese so not much help there lol)

Gotta say I love the transition to nvme, not only much faster but now the only power wires from the PS are the 24 & 8 pin ATX/CPU, no more SATA! Now if only someone would standardize the stupid header wiring in a sane way. Be nice if they had RJ45 sockets on the board and the inside part of the front panel of the case so you could use cat5 wiring (trimmed to size if you make your own, or buying the premade ultra thin variety if you prefer) instead of fiddling with those tiny headers!

So far so good. I put it in ECO mode at 65W since I care more about silence than maxing out performance, and idling it is whisper quiet. The fan does jump up a bit when I put it under strain like opening up a dozen tabs at once but I haven't got around to tuning the fan yet. It is probably trying to keep the CPU under 50C or something stupid like that.

I did read something about the Asrock issues with 9000X but I figure that's gonna be people who are pushing them hard not me who is putting it in ECO mode. They seemed to have the only cheap-ish ITX boards that could handle dual m.2 nvme, and I've been happy with them in the past.

 

[StinkyPinky]

$750@newegg. Only $50 higher than MSRP

It was $699 at bhphoto today.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1878570-REG/amd_ryzen_9_9950x3d_4_4.html

Still seems in stock

 

[igor_kavinski]

I did read something about the Asrock issues with 9000X but I figure that's gonna be people who are pushing them hard not me who is putting it in ECO mode. They seemed to have the only cheap-ish ITX boards that could handle dual m.2 nvme, and I've been happy with them in the past.

Could never have guessed that you were a PC user.

Or has this account been hijacked?

 

[Thunder 57]

I know you guys are mostly only worried about the high end 9950X type stuff but I'd been thinking it was about time to build a new PC soon when my old one just up and died (still don't know what happened, it hung on reboot so I tried to power cycle it but it wouldn't come up no beeps from the board, no video, nothing despite hours fiddling and trying various things) so I was forced to do a bit of a rush job. Was happy to see there were a bunch of things on discount so I snagged a 9600X discounted on Amazon, an Asrock Lightning 620i ITX, 48 GB of RAM for under $90 from Amazon, a 2GB & 4G Samsung 990 Pro nvme heavily discounted, and a really nifty no name mITX/mATX case for $60 (looks great but I had to go to work on it with a multitool to make the 150x150x86 ATX PS I was reusing from before fit, and came with instructions in Chinese so not much help there lol)

Gotta say I love the transition to nvme, not only much faster but now the only power wires from the PS are the 24 & 8 pin ATX/CPU, no more SATA! Now if only someone would standardize the stupid header wiring in a sane way. Be nice if they had RJ45 sockets on the board and the inside part of the front panel of the case so you could use cat5 wiring (trimmed to size if you make your own, or buying the premade ultra thin variety if you prefer) instead of fiddling with those tiny headers!

So far so good. I put it in ECO mode at 65W since I care more about silence than maxing out performance, and idling it is whisper quiet. The fan does jump up a bit when I put it under strain like opening up a dozen tabs at once but I haven't got around to tuning the fan yet. It is probably trying to keep the CPU under 50C or something stupid like that.

I did read something about the Asrock issues with 9000X but I figure that's gonna be people who are pushing them hard not me who is putting it in ECO mode. They seemed to have the only cheap-ish ITX boards that could handle dual m.2 nvme, and I've been happy with them in the past.

Tom's had the 9600X on their Memorial Day sale page. $208 at Newegg, that's a steal. Also, headers do suck and I hate dealing with them. I remember 20 or more years ago USB headers weren't standard so I just never bothered connecting my front USB ports. You really think they would've fixed that by now.

 

[Hail The Brain Slug]

I will throw a twist into the temptation bin. Go for Strix Halo!

Strix halo seems like its a really experimental product. Medusa Halo should shore up the weaknesses I'd expect.

 

[Hail The Brain Slug]

I did read something about the Asrock issues with 9000X but I figure that's gonna be people who are pushing them hard not me who is putting it in ECO mode. They seemed to have the only cheap-ish ITX boards that could handle dual m.2 nvme, and I've been happy with them in the past.

The issue would seem to be related to SOC voltage, which is not affected by eco mode.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

That upgrade itch can be hard to fight but I agree, hold off until Zen 6.

More likely it will be hold off for Zen 6, then wait for it to be available for MSRP. At which point you will tell them to wait for Zen 7? Have you guys have learned nothing? Buy when you have the money and the price and availability are there, or you may miss the window.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Yes, hence why I plunked down the cash for the 9950X3D. At least now I can look at Zen 6 benchmarks and not feel like a peasant with a sad old 12700K or 245KF. I can't imagine what they will do that will make me upgrade from the 9950X3D.

~15% IPC uplift won't cut it for me.

 

[Thunder 57]

More likely it will be hold off for Zen 6, then wait for it to be available for MSRP. At which point you will tell them to wait for Zen 7? Have you guys have learned nothing? Buy when you have the money and the price and availability are there, or you may miss the window.

You also don't upgrade unless you actually could benefit from it. Sometimes people just get the "upgrade itch" even though their current system is fine.

 

[Abwx]

I have a super itchy trigger finger to replace my 5950X. I really don't need it and should wait for Zen 6 reviews

Despite being a Zen 3 you are still in the 4% elite users, last months sales of AMD CPUs at german Mindfactory has the 6 and 8C accounting for 96% of the sales, 12C and 16C accounting for a paltry 2% each.

And all this is spanning 3 gens since Zen 3 and 4 still make the bulk of the sales if we except the 9800X3D.

 

[Rigg]

Sometimes people just get the "upgrade itch" even though their current system is fine.

I dodged a bullet doing this for my last upgrade. I ditched my Z690/13700K for a 7800X3D/B650E right before degradation gate.

 

[inquiss]

Despite being a Zen 3 you are still in the 4% elite users, last months sales of AMD CPUs at german Mindfactory has the 6 and 8C accounting for 96% of the sales, 12C and 16C accounting for a paltry 2% each.

And all this is spanning 3 gens since Zen 3 and 4 still make the bulk of the sales if we except the 9800X3D.

But...but.... We need more cores on the mainstream platform because everyone uses them and needs them.. "an anandtech forum user about once a week"

 

[Hail The Brain Slug]

But...but.... We need more cores on the mainstream platform because everyone uses them and needs them.. "an anandtech forum user about once a week"

I keep hearing "If you need the cores, you'll buy threadripper/epyc" but many smaller companies like mine just buy the fattest CPU that's in the "not $10,0000 platform", a.k.a. mainstream.

We get 7950X/7950X3D/9950X/9950X3D's now, but if there were 24 or 32 core count SKU's we would be getting those instead.

 

[inquiss]

I keep hearing "If you need the cores, you'll buy threadripper/epyc" but many smaller companies like mine just buy the fattest CPU that's in the "not $10,0000 platform", a.k.a. mainstream.

We get 7950X/7950X3D/9950X/9950X3D's now, but if there were 24 or 32 core count SKU's we would be getting those instead.

Sure. You have a use case. I'm not going to argue with that. If there was such a product, you'd be in the 1% of people that would buy. Maybe less. Certainly not more than 2% because only 2% buy the top end now. And you'd have to have 2 memory channels. You're someone on a tech forum. It's niche. Also as you state, you want cores and you want them cheap. You don't want to pay big boy prices for big boy hardware. Frankly, and isn't going to be making much margin releasing products like a 32 core mainstream platform. It would bring down the entry level for proper big boy toys. They wouldn't make more money on people with your use cases vs the money they'd lose on threadripper.

So why would they?

 

[adroc_thurston]

I keep hearing "If you need the cores, you'll buy threadripper/epyc" but many smaller companies like mine just buy the fattest CPU that's in the "not $10,0000 platform", a.k.a. mainstream

Congrats on being maybe the .998% of the desktop market.
You are irrelevant and do not exist.

 

[poke01]

I’ll wait for Zen6. Probably going to a big jump even for Zen5 users because of N2.

 

[LightningZ71]

Please don't... We don't need another hype train. It's Zen 6% until I see evidence otherwise...

 

[igor_kavinski]

Anywhere between 6% and 60%

But we can also do 6+60=66%

Too much?

66/2= 33%

Could this be the magic uplift?

Let's confirm.

6+60+33=99/3=33%

Yeah. Totally checks out!

 

[Dave3000]

I have a Ryzen 7 9800X3D in my primary system and a Ryzen 7 7800X3D in my secondary system (passed down from my primary system to replace my crappy but reliable pre-built i5-12400 system). I noticed that in DOS emulation (specifically DOSBOX Staging, in Chris's 3D Bench SVGA, on my Ryzen 7 7800X3D system I get around 510-520 points (once in a blue moon it will hit 530 points) and in my Ryzen 7 9800X3D system I get around 750-760 points (once in a blue moon it will hit 770 points). Why such the huge difference in this benchmark between the systems? Is it mostly because of the much higher L1 cache bandwidth of the 9800X3D along with the little larger L1 cache size of the 9800X3D in combination with the higher IPC and frequencies or is something wrong with my 7800X3D and it should be getting more like 600-620 points in this benchmark in DOSBOX Staging? I'm also using a RTX 4090 on the 9800X3D system and on my 7800X3D system I'm just using the IGP, but I doubt that has any affect in DOS emulation as DOS emulation is totally CPU bound. And no I didn't buy a 9800X3D for the sole purpose of DOS emulation.

 

[Hail The Brain Slug]

Anywhere between 6% and 60%

But we can also do 6+60=66%

Too much?

66/2= 33%

Could this be the magic uplift?

Let's confirm.

6+60+33=99/3=33%

Yeah. Totally checks out!

If we look at the septenary gematria, we can mathematically derive the exact IPC figure.

ZEN SIX
151 653
1 + 5 + 1 + 6 + 5 + 3 = 21% IPC

 

[Paratus]

Got my 9900X3D up and running. Did a simple comparison between my old Threadripper 2950X 16C/32T, 9900X3D 12C/24T and my laptop Ai9 HX 370 12C/24T using the CPUZ Benchmark

• TR: Multi ~8500
• Ai9: Multi ~ 9000
• X3D: Multi - 12,500

The two new AMD processors were about 400 pts faster in single core scores.

 

[Doug S]

Could never have guessed that you were a PC user.

Been running Linux on my desktop since 1997. I've been a longtime iPhone owner (and Apple Watch and Apple TV) and post a lot in the Apple topics, maybe you assumed I owned a Mac as well?

 

[Doug S]

Tom's had the 9600X on their Memorial Day sale page. $208 at Newegg, that's a steal. Also, headers do suck and I hate dealing with them. I remember 20 or more years ago USB headers weren't standard so I just never bothered connecting my front USB ports. You really think they would've fixed that by now.

Bought mine from Amazon on May 2 for $185

 

[igor_kavinski]

Why such the huge difference in this benchmark between the systems? Is it mostly because of the much higher L1 cache bandwidth of the 9800X3D along with the little larger L1 cache size of the 9800X3D in combination with the higher IPC and frequencies or is something wrong with my 7800X3D and it should be getting more like 600-620 points in this benchmark in DOSBOX Staging?

Create a new thread, tag me in it and maybe we can investigate? One reason could be that the systems are configured very differently (RAM speed or certain BIOS defaults are different between them).

 

[DrMrLordX]

Anywhere between 6% and 60%

It's 40%. Source: