Saddam Captured in Tikrit Iraq!!

[KidViciou$]

i shall return later

 

[GoingUp]

Now we need to get Bin Laden!

 

[darren]

Originally posted by: cashman

Originally posted by: Insane3D

Insane3D, I'm only trying to prove a point. If the average US citizen really knew what the US agencies went through on a daily basis, the would go crazy. They hold info from us to have stability in the economy and the country. You seem like a smart person, so you would be able to understand this kind of info if you found it out. But you are only a minority, the majority would take it the wrong way.

Well, I think you've mistaken me for Ornery, but you are correct. I realize the general public doesn't need to know everything, and probably is better off for it. However, if we go to war, and are told it is because it is to protect us from a threat of dangerous weapons, and we find not even a single one, there is a problem.

:Q

My bad, you guys have the same avatar, and I just got up. I'm only trying to be civil about this. So what we didn't find any. Then that just gives us the reassurance that there is NONE of over there. We could of just stayed over here contemplating if they do or they don't. Iraq was the middle of the terrorist ring and sooner or later, we were gonna be attacked by someone who was connected with Sadaam's regime.

this is the rationalization that we fall into. (that i wrote about previously)

 

[DurocShark]

Ya'll keep missing the point. GWB used the vague WMD argument to get support for invasion. But the fact that Saddam DID support terrorism financially, and he DID attempt to assassinate a US President, and he DID slaughter thousands of people because of ethnic or religious reasons, is enough for me.

He just knew that there were lots of pansies in the world who would keep turning the other cheek. Like we're made of cheeks.

International relations do NOT require the following of legal procedure. If they did we'd still be arguing over the Berlin split from WWII.

 

[KK]

Originally posted by: KidViciou$
i shall return later

Come back once you mature alittle.

KK

 

[darren]

Originally posted by: Gobadgrs
Now we need to get Bin Laden!

somehow i dont think we're gonna catch osama. terrorist he is. but i would guess that hes not a coward like saddam.
if he really believes in his cause, i would guess that he figured that he's worth more permanently MIA than being captured by US. if he figured that and is strategic he would have killed himself and made sure his corpse was disposed of in a way that could never prove his death.

but thats a lot of conjecture.

~d

 

[thraxes]

Ahhh, very good news here!

Good riddance to bad rubbish and all that sort of thing. Wonder what is now going to happen to him: War Crime Tribunal in Den Haag or a "cosy cell" in Guantanamo Bay?

 

[jagr10]

Damn. I saw this on CNN. We all probably thought he'd never be captured (at least alive). This is big news. I think they said they'll allow the Iraqi's to vote on what they think should happen to him. That's fair.

 

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: KidViciou$
i shall return later

Come back once you mature alittle.

KK

Have you even read his replies?!!??! No need to throw out that CHILDISH and unfounded response. It's obvious that he is a person who is more adult than most of the people on this board, and he can sustain a logical argument at that. So you disagree with his opinion, why don't you come back when you're mature enough to realize that it's not a bad thing.

 

[jagr10]

BTW, do you guys think this will help Bush win the next election now? I think so.

 

[darren]

Originally posted by: DurocShark
Ya'll keep missing the point. GWB used the vague WMD argument to get support for invasion. But the fact that Saddam DID support terrorism financially, and he DID attempt to assassinate a US President, and he DID slaughter thousands of people because of ethnic or religious reasons, is enough for me.

He just knew that there were lots of pansies in the world who would keep turning the other cheek. Like we're made of cheeks.

International relations do NOT require the following of legal procedure. If they did we'd still be arguing over the Berlin split from WWII.

i'd be interested to read where Bush or anybody gives concrete evidence that Saddam supports al-qaeda and terrorism financially. IIRC, Bush didnt prove or give strong evidence of it. And yes, without concrete evidence we SHOULD be skeptical. (still no signs of WMD) despite Bush, Powell and everybody's claim that they had proof that there is.

what's enough for you is one thing. what's enough for our president to invade and occupy is another.

 

[DaviDaVinci]

No country, especially US, will go in and try to be liberators unless there was something in for themselves (benefit). People are dying everywhere due to corrupt govts. Get out of the country once in a while and quit believing the politicians/media like they infallible. Selfish people try to get what they want by making you believe something so you would support their decision. :disgust:

Whatever happened happened. If you don't like it, then don't vote for GW next election. If you like it, then vote for him. End of discussion.

 

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: DaviDaVinci
No country, especially US, will go in and try to be liberators unless there was something in for themselves (benefit). People are dying everywhere due to corrupt govts. Get out of the country once in a while and quit believing the politicians/media like they infallible. Selfish people try to get what they want by making you believe something so you would support their decision. :disgust:

Whatever happened happened. If you don't like it, then don't vote for GW next election. If you like it, then vote for him. End of discussion.

Wow - easy to tell you've been screwed over by your politicians and media in the past. Since you're so sure of this, what exactly was our benefit from this war? Please don't say oil, because I have yet to see one drop of it and I'm still paying out the ass for the stuff.

 

[darren]

Originally posted by: DaviDaVinci
No country, especially US, will go in and try to be liberators unless there was something in for themselves (benefit). People are dying everywhere due to corrupt govts. Get out of the country once in a while and quit believing the politicians/media like they infallible. Selfish people try to get what they want by making you believe something so you would support their decision. :disgust:

Whatever happened happened. If you don't like it, then don't vote for GW next election. If you like it, then vote for him. End of discussion.

discussion can be good my friend

 

[KK]

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: KidViciou$
i shall return later

Come back once you mature alittle.

KK

Have you even read his replies?!!??! No need to throw out that CHILDISH and unfounded response. It's obvious that he is a person who is more adult than most of the people on this board, and he can sustain a logical argument at that. So you disagree with his opinion, why don't you come back when you're mature enough to realize that it's not a bad thing.

US resolution 1441??? Yeah...continue on...

KK

 

[jagr10]

Saddam was found with $750,000 on him. What good is money when you can't use it?

 

[adams828]

woo! usa! usa! usa!

 

[OutHouse]

just found out. I have goosebumps!

 

[darren]

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: DaviDaVinci
No country, especially US, will go in and try to be liberators unless there was something in for themselves (benefit). People are dying everywhere due to corrupt govts. Get out of the country once in a while and quit believing the politicians/media like they infallible. Selfish people try to get what they want by making you believe something so you would support their decision. :disgust:

Whatever happened happened. If you don't like it, then don't vote for GW next election. If you like it, then vote for him. End of discussion.

Wow - easy to tell you've been screwed over by your politicians and media in the past. Since you're so sure of this, what exactly was our benefit from this war? Please don't say oil, because I have yet to see one drop of hit and I'm still paying out the ass for the stuff.

its probably like CD that matures in 3 years, not a 6 month one.

from what i understand, the oil market there will probably be cornered off the same way that our country is cornering of the reconstruction business contracts. capitalism will be routed by politics/military. among the big powers, france, germany, russia will get cut out. britain and US will be in. i think it'll take some time for such developments to surface, as clearly iraqi oil industry and plants have been devestated by war and need to be rebuilt.

unfortunately, war is still a very entrepreneural enterprise. i didnt personally risk anything (closest thing is that my cousin is a marine officer and did a tour there), but bush sure as heck did with his reputation and our soldiers, so i think bush, his business buddies (like haliburton) and some other oil companies should be getting something big money out of this. perhaps our benefit will be a collateral one; american economic recovery. we get the table scraps - which is actually pretty good in material terms.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: Insane3D

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
anyone remmeber UN resolution 1441? he broke it and did not disarm, for 13 years no less. that is, in itself, enough to warrant invasion. not to mention genocide, among other things.

When we went to war, there were inspectors in Iraq doing their job...we said there wasn't enough time to let them complete it...

I agree they flaunted the resolutions for many years, but they were contained. Regardless, Saddam was supposed to disarm any WMD's he had, and well, so far, it appears he did.

they found missiles that exceeded the 63? mile effective range limit. proof that saddam did not disarm

yes it was a UN resolution. the fact that france+germany do not want to lose economic links is irrelevant. the world needed to stand in the face of a tyrant that defied them for 13 years. the US just happened to be one of the few nations that could do it. Back in the 80's, if i'm not mistaken, Jacques Chirac owned an oil company and helped saddam establish oil rigs etc.

 

[Insane3D]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: Insane3D

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
anyone remmeber UN resolution 1441? he broke it and did not disarm, for 13 years no less. that is, in itself, enough to warrant invasion. not to mention genocide, among other things.

When we went to war, there were inspectors in Iraq doing their job...we said there wasn't enough time to let them complete it...

I agree they flaunted the resolutions for many years, but they were contained. Regardless, Saddam was supposed to disarm any WMD's he had, and well, so far, it appears he did.

they found missiles that exceeded the 63? mile effective range limit. proof that saddam did not disarm

And.....he started destroying them under UN observation. While technically they were banned under the UN resolutions, a normal missle that has a range a few miles too long is hardly a reason to go to war over...IMO.

 

[darren]

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: KidViciou$
i shall return later

Come back once you mature alittle.

KK

Have you even read his replies?!!??! No need to throw out that CHILDISH and unfounded response. It's obvious that he is a person who is more adult than most of the people on this board, and he can sustain a logical argument at that. So you disagree with his opinion, why don't you come back when you're mature enough to realize that it's not a bad thing.

US resolution 1441??? Yeah...continue on...

KK

kk,
it doesnt make sense to cite UN resolutions when they somehow favor our decision to go to war but then ignore the UN when they say that we shouldnt go to war.

the purpose of the UN in the first place is to achieve collective security by each country forfeiting a little bit of its sovereignty to the collective and making decisions collectively. the US clearly refused to do that when it Bush made the UN "irrelevant" that is the bigger issue at hand.

oh. i mean when the UN decided to make itself irrelevant.

 

[wnied]

Only thing more important than this would be the death or capture of osama bin laden...

...and personally I'd rather see him dead.
~wnied~

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: wnied
Only thing more important than this would be the death or capture of osama bin laden...

very true. if we could get osama... damn.. that'd be incredible

 

[jagr10]

Oh, btw, since someone informed them of Saddam's whereabouts, doesn't he get a huge reward? How much was the reward?