Mr Ornery
Quote: "The WMD was NOT a lie from the start. At worst, it was a mistake,"
That appears to be true since he did have gass he used on the Kurds and all.
But We may have given him alot of those weapons when we backed his offencive war against Iran.
And after years of sanctions, our intellegence community most certianly did know that
big weapons were just not there. Also every one knows that every nation builds Weapons
Of Mass Destruction, that is not abnormal. A machine gun is a WMD. But the indication
was that we were threatened by Sadams capibilitys and he had none to be worried about.
We kicked ass in a few weeks in Iraq. We just simply drove straight to Bagdad as if
we had nothing to worry about, after the WMD was made an issue. That shows deception,
and that is what I was talking about. I'm interested in learning your side, more info,
or any truthfull info. I'll take the stand that I don't have an opion,
all I can do is review the known facts and make a summation. That way when new truths come to light, I don't have to defend my ignorant pride & stick with a knowingly wrongfull opinion,
I can just change my summation based on all the facts including the new ones at any time.
And I still can't see the WMD threat as being anything more than an excuse to goto war for other reasons.
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but SH brought that on himself for not fully complying with Resolution 1441. After 9-11, it would have been REALLY stupid to take chances with the likes of Hussein. He was given ample opportunity to come clean and save his ass.
If Sadam could have gotten his hands on Nuke, he would have for sure.
Even dirty nuke bombs. Also he would not hesitate to give it to a terrorist group he didn't like to use against us.
That would harm us (which he wanted).
That would aim our anger at a group he didn't like. (Ben Laudin, alkida, etc)(sp)
He was a worm at best. But Resolution 1441 was not suspose to be enforced by us.
There were reasons it was not enforced by NATO? (is it NATO ? or ? it's not NAFTA hahaha)
Also we may have been the ones that pushed for the resolutions that we later claimed we were enforcing? If the truth is hidden, (like I believe Bush did,) we should not go to war.
Congress ONLY has the power to declair war, but that power was taken away from them via
dirty politics or bipartisenship ?.
If they had to vote on war based on a Sadam WMD threat to us now,
the vote outcome would be very different. Which is hind sight and all.
But if the political arena was uninfluenced & honesty was the theme,
the vote would have been different, even with out the hind sight.
AND that dishonesty crap I can't support.
We arn't so stupid that you have to lie to us for our own good.
Lying to us is not for our own good.
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Preparing for more incidents like 9-11 will be an uphill battle, calling for extreme measures. I'd prefer to not be complacent and take it up the ass, like some of our Hollywood pals would.
Yep, if we sit on our ass, we're gonna take it up the ? again !
But we'll be harmed by "big brother" taking our freedom from within, so thats no answer.
I live in Alaska. Most of Alaska depends on the Ferry system. A truck bomb on a few ferries
takes out our Western outpost Alaska.
Yet not ONE SINGLE FERRY WORKER WAS GIVEN INFORMATION TO PREVENT ANY ATTACKS.
Home Land is mostly a front, every corrupt cop and district attorney accross the nation
is using the UNCONSTUTIONAL freedom act laws to destroy anyone who ever turned in a corrupt cop.
We don't have the right to privacy any more. Read the laws.
Once a huge government agency is put in place and given powers, we can't get that back.
They can't be eliminated. Taxes after WW2 wern't eliminated after the debt was paid off.
They will never give up the power.
One way to tell information from brain washing is how many times you have to hear the message.
You're not stupid by any means. If I tell you something once, I expect you are going to get the idea. I might have to clearify some points, or repeat segments if you didn't hear it,
but you are going to get the message. If I repeat it 2000 times, that's brain washing.
The governments AD COUNCIL freedom act messages are repeated thousands of times,
and that's brain washing. We the TAX PAYER PAY FOR THAT. What's the point of the messages?
I see them justifying their jobs by creating a new COLD WAR MENTALITY and there are plenty of cold war workers looking for a new enemy/job.
DUCK AND COVER propaganda messages through out the 1950's & 60's
made many people worry needlessly. The more mass worry, the higher the suiside rate,
and lots of other bad things so there is a price to pay for that kind of DOOM AND GLOOM
messages we tax payers pay for. And DUCK & COVER was never needed, nor was it a usefull
campaign since, if I stood up and had a beer while you ducked & covered, I would just get killed a nanosecond before you is all.
If there is a terrorist threat, then HOME LAND SECURITY is needed.
And that's why they spend our money brain washing us into believing there is a threat.
Remember that our drug war laws kill hundreds of people a DAY around the world. (10 per day in Columbia alone.)
Yet we don't have a HOME LAND DRUG SECURITY AGENCY protecting us from the USA drug laws.
Stairs are a big killer every year.
So even though thousands died in 911, the risk to an indivitual in a rural village in Alaska from a terrorist attack is NOTHING, ZIP, ZILTCH, NADA, THERE AIN'T ONE
but they have to endure hundreds of AD COUNCIL crap all day on the radio and TV.
I've ordered items from New York companys quit a few times and they always rip me off.
No wonder they got nuked, they treat the world as a place to steal from.
THAT'S WHAT THE WORLD TRADE ORGANIZATION IS DOING IN NEW YORK.
They loan money to corrupt dictators around the world and when they can't pay it back they get title to the water rights in the area and starve children. It's their job.
That's quite radical, but there was a TV program about that very thing,
and I always get a bad deal when I order from New York.
Bitdog