Saddam Captured in Tikrit Iraq!!

[Ornery]

OMG, FoxNews is just twisting the hell out of this story to make Bush look good. It's just sickening...

 

[KidViciou$]

Took 15 Minutes, Sadam Owned!

 

[darren]

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: darren

Originally posted by: rbloedow
Ahhhh, this just makes today a good day Glad that SOB is in our custody, maybe we can pull some info out of him to help support our argument for war since the beginning

that's a peculiar thing to say...why?
because we bombed and toppled a country, killing thousands of civilians, and tens of thousands of troops, searched every city, interrogated thousands of people, searched the cities, captured their leader. now lets hope we can get him to 'admit' that there's a developed nuclear weapons program (of which we've basically found more or less no evidence). but yea, maybe this man who our government has been calling us a liar all this time will just tell the truth now. what kind of truth is it that we're looking for? sheesh.

bomb now. ask (serious) questions / justify later.

i think the best we could do is throw his sorry as* into the deepest dungeon we got.

I just think he could lead us to some valuable evidence to support the US argument of war, hopefully to get the rest of the world off of our backs. I've always supported the war, but it's obvious that the majority of the other nations in the world were against us - hopefully he'll leaed us to some concrete evidence (just not his word, but physical proff) so we can laugh at these nation, and say with a Nelson laugh "HA - HA, TOLD YA SO!".

rbloedow,
thats my exact point though. if he's the only one that can prove (with concrete enough evidence) that he did something that justifies our toppling of his government and country, then isnt it the case that we've done all of thus without any concrete evidence? that's like gutting a man because he killed somebody and then trying to get him to show us where the corpse is.
theres a good reason why our courts are reluctant to convict someone of murder without a body, cause without the body we dont even know if a crime was committed, much less who did it. theres a reason why the trial comes BEFORE the sentencing, the probable cause comes BEFORE the issuance of the search warrant. we respect the concept of innocent until proven guilty.

~d

i think we were wrong to invade and occupy cause there was no proof, i do kind of share your sentiment; it's twisted, but i hope we get something out of him to justify our otherwise unjustifiable actions. but what if we dont?

 

[KidViciou$]

Originally posted by: darren

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: darren

Originally posted by: rbloedow
Ahhhh, this just makes today a good day Glad that SOB is in our custody, maybe we can pull some info out of him to help support our argument for war since the beginning

that's a peculiar thing to say...why?
because we bombed and toppled a country, killing thousands of civilians, and tens of thousands of troops, searched every city, interrogated thousands of people, searched the cities, captured their leader. now lets hope we can get him to 'admit' that there's a developed nuclear weapons program (of which we've basically found more or less no evidence). but yea, maybe this man who our government has been calling us a liar all this time will just tell the truth now. what kind of truth is it that we're looking for? sheesh.

bomb now. ask (serious) questions / justify later.

i think the best we could do is throw his sorry as* into the deepest dungeon we got.

I just think he could lead us to some valuable evidence to support the US argument of war, hopefully to get the rest of the world off of our backs. I've always supported the war, but it's obvious that the majority of the other nations in the world were against us - hopefully he'll leaed us to some concrete evidence (just not his word, but physical proff) so we can laugh at these nation, and say with a Nelson laugh "HA - HA, TOLD YA SO!".

rbloedow,
thats my exact point though. if he's the only one that can prove (with concrete enough evidence) that he did something that justifies our toppling of his government and country, then isnt it the case that we've done all of thus without any concrete evidence? that's like gutting a man because he killed somebody and then trying to get him to show us where the corpse is.
theres a good reason why our courts are reluctant to convict someone of murder without a body, cause without the body we dont even know if a crime was committed, much less who did it. theres a reason why the trial comes BEFORE the sentencing, the probable cause comes BEFORE the issuance of the search warrant. we respect the concept of innocent until proven guilty.

~d

There's a serious breech of process if we went to war without a good enough reason (which i feel is the case), and by getting Sadam to coroberate our "evidence" is just a sham, and unbelievable. it won't happen unless some bargaining is happenning

 

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: darren

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: darren

Originally posted by: rbloedow
Ahhhh, this just makes today a good day Glad that SOB is in our custody, maybe we can pull some info out of him to help support our argument for war since the beginning

that's a peculiar thing to say...why?
because we bombed and toppled a country, killing thousands of civilians, and tens of thousands of troops, searched every city, interrogated thousands of people, searched the cities, captured their leader. now lets hope we can get him to 'admit' that there's a developed nuclear weapons program (of which we've basically found more or less no evidence). but yea, maybe this man who our government has been calling us a liar all this time will just tell the truth now. what kind of truth is it that we're looking for? sheesh.

bomb now. ask (serious) questions / justify later.

i think the best we could do is throw his sorry as* into the deepest dungeon we got.

I just think he could lead us to some valuable evidence to support the US argument of war, hopefully to get the rest of the world off of our backs. I've always supported the war, but it's obvious that the majority of the other nations in the world were against us - hopefully he'll leaed us to some concrete evidence (just not his word, but physical proff) so we can laugh at these nation, and say with a Nelson laugh "HA - HA, TOLD YA SO!".

rbloedow,
thats my exact point though. if he's the only one that can prove (with concrete enough evidence) that he did something that justifies our toppling of his government and country, then isnt it the case that we've done all of thus without any concrete evidence? that's like gutting a man because he killed somebody and then trying to get him to show us where the corpse is.
theres a good reason why our courts are reluctant to convict someone of murder without a body, cause without the body we dont even know if a crime was committed, much less who did it. theres a reason why the trial comes BEFORE the sentencing, the probable cause comes BEFORE the issuance of the search warrant. we respect the concept of innocent until proven guilty.

~d

But we have plenty of bodies from the mass graves we've found, which is concrete enough for me to justify our actions. I guess I meant to say that we'd be able to get more evidence from him, too add to the pool that we already have.

 

[KidViciou$]

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: darren

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: darren

Originally posted by: rbloedow
Ahhhh, this just makes today a good day Glad that SOB is in our custody, maybe we can pull some info out of him to help support our argument for war since the beginning

that's a peculiar thing to say...why?
because we bombed and toppled a country, killing thousands of civilians, and tens of thousands of troops, searched every city, interrogated thousands of people, searched the cities, captured their leader. now lets hope we can get him to 'admit' that there's a developed nuclear weapons program (of which we've basically found more or less no evidence). but yea, maybe this man who our government has been calling us a liar all this time will just tell the truth now. what kind of truth is it that we're looking for? sheesh.

bomb now. ask (serious) questions / justify later.

i think the best we could do is throw his sorry as* into the deepest dungeon we got.

I just think he could lead us to some valuable evidence to support the US argument of war, hopefully to get the rest of the world off of our backs. I've always supported the war, but it's obvious that the majority of the other nations in the world were against us - hopefully he'll leaed us to some concrete evidence (just not his word, but physical proff) so we can laugh at these nation, and say with a Nelson laugh "HA - HA, TOLD YA SO!".

rbloedow,
thats my exact point though. if he's the only one that can prove (with concrete enough evidence) that he did something that justifies our toppling of his government and country, then isnt it the case that we've done all of thus without any concrete evidence? that's like gutting a man because he killed somebody and then trying to get him to show us where the corpse is.
theres a good reason why our courts are reluctant to convict someone of murder without a body, cause without the body we dont even know if a crime was committed, much less who did it. theres a reason why the trial comes BEFORE the sentencing, the probable cause comes BEFORE the issuance of the search warrant. we respect the concept of innocent until proven guilty.

~d

But we have plenty of bodies from the mass graves we've found, which is concrete enough for me to justify our actions. I guess I meant to say that we'd be able to get more evidence from him, too add to the pool that we already have.

well, according to US law, we were not supposed to know about those graves. we only found them after invading. don't get me wrong, Iraq is better off without Hussein and the gang, but we did not follow our own rules here. (maybe i need to readup on international rules of war )

 

[Danman]

Originally posted by: KidViciou$

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: darren

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: darren

Originally posted by: rbloedow
Ahhhh, this just makes today a good day Glad that SOB is in our custody, maybe we can pull some info out of him to help support our argument for war since the beginning

that's a peculiar thing to say...why?
because we bombed and toppled a country, killing thousands of civilians, and tens of thousands of troops, searched every city, interrogated thousands of people, searched the cities, captured their leader. now lets hope we can get him to 'admit' that there's a developed nuclear weapons program (of which we've basically found more or less no evidence). but yea, maybe this man who our government has been calling us a liar all this time will just tell the truth now. what kind of truth is it that we're looking for? sheesh.

bomb now. ask (serious) questions / justify later.

i think the best we could do is throw his sorry as* into the deepest dungeon we got.

I just think he could lead us to some valuable evidence to support the US argument of war, hopefully to get the rest of the world off of our backs. I've always supported the war, but it's obvious that the majority of the other nations in the world were against us - hopefully he'll leaed us to some concrete evidence (just not his word, but physical proff) so we can laugh at these nation, and say with a Nelson laugh "HA - HA, TOLD YA SO!".

rbloedow,
thats my exact point though. if he's the only one that can prove (with concrete enough evidence) that he did something that justifies our toppling of his government and country, then isnt it the case that we've done all of thus without any concrete evidence? that's like gutting a man because he killed somebody and then trying to get him to show us where the corpse is.
theres a good reason why our courts are reluctant to convict someone of murder without a body, cause without the body we dont even know if a crime was committed, much less who did it. theres a reason why the trial comes BEFORE the sentencing, the probable cause comes BEFORE the issuance of the search warrant. we respect the concept of innocent until proven guilty.

~d

But we have plenty of bodies from the mass graves we've found, which is concrete enough for me to justify our actions. I guess I meant to say that we'd be able to get more evidence from him, too add to the pool that we already have.

well, according to US law, we were not supposed to know about those graves. we only found them after invading. don't get me wrong, Iraq is better off without Hussein and the gang, but we did not follow our own rules here. (maybe i need to readup on international rules of war )

You guys are really looking way too much into this. It just had to be done, and it wasn't even up to you.

 

[m2kewl]

Originally posted by: Ornery
OMG, FoxNews is just twisting the hell out of this story to make Bush look good. It's just sickening...

what did you expect? this is FOX news here...

 

[Viper GTS]

Originally posted by: Ornery
OMG, FoxNews is just twisting the hell out of this story to make Bush look good. It's just sickening...

Unless you have specific examples to cite, go troll somewhere else - We don't want to hear it.

Viper GTS

 

[KidViciou$]

Originally posted by: Viper GTS

Originally posted by: Ornery
OMG, FoxNews is just twisting the hell out of this story to make Bush look good. It's just sickening...

Unless you have specific examples to cite, go troll somewhere else - We don't want to hear it.

Viper GTS

I DO!

 

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: cashman

Originally posted by: KidViciou$

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: darren

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: darren

Originally posted by: rbloedow
Ahhhh, this just makes today a good day Glad that SOB is in our custody, maybe we can pull some info out of him to help support our argument for war since the beginning

that's a peculiar thing to say...why?
because we bombed and toppled a country, killing thousands of civilians, and tens of thousands of troops, searched every city, interrogated thousands of people, searched the cities, captured their leader. now lets hope we can get him to 'admit' that there's a developed nuclear weapons program (of which we've basically found more or less no evidence). but yea, maybe this man who our government has been calling us a liar all this time will just tell the truth now. what kind of truth is it that we're looking for? sheesh.

bomb now. ask (serious) questions / justify later.

i think the best we could do is throw his sorry as* into the deepest dungeon we got.

I just think he could lead us to some valuable evidence to support the US argument of war, hopefully to get the rest of the world off of our backs. I've always supported the war, but it's obvious that the majority of the other nations in the world were against us - hopefully he'll leaed us to some concrete evidence (just not his word, but physical proff) so we can laugh at these nation, and say with a Nelson laugh "HA - HA, TOLD YA SO!".

rbloedow,
thats my exact point though. if he's the only one that can prove (with concrete enough evidence) that he did something that justifies our toppling of his government and country, then isnt it the case that we've done all of thus without any concrete evidence? that's like gutting a man because he killed somebody and then trying to get him to show us where the corpse is.
theres a good reason why our courts are reluctant to convict someone of murder without a body, cause without the body we dont even know if a crime was committed, much less who did it. theres a reason why the trial comes BEFORE the sentencing, the probable cause comes BEFORE the issuance of the search warrant. we respect the concept of innocent until proven guilty.

~d

But we have plenty of bodies from the mass graves we've found, which is concrete enough for me to justify our actions. I guess I meant to say that we'd be able to get more evidence from him, too add to the pool that we already have.

well, according to US law, we were not supposed to know about those graves. we only found them after invading. don't get me wrong, Iraq is better off without Hussein and the gang, but we did not follow our own rules here. (maybe i need to readup on international rules of war )

You guys are really looking way too much into this. It just had to be done, and it wasn't even up to you.

I agree. There will always be people who are going to bitch and complain about our actions, but at the end of the day, it's the results that matter, and we're getting the results that are needed.

 

[KidViciou$]

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: cashman

Originally posted by: KidViciou$

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: darren

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: darren

Originally posted by: rbloedow
Ahhhh, this just makes today a good day Glad that SOB is in our custody, maybe we can pull some info out of him to help support our argument for war since the beginning

that's a peculiar thing to say...why?
because we bombed and toppled a country, killing thousands of civilians, and tens of thousands of troops, searched every city, interrogated thousands of people, searched the cities, captured their leader. now lets hope we can get him to 'admit' that there's a developed nuclear weapons program (of which we've basically found more or less no evidence). but yea, maybe this man who our government has been calling us a liar all this time will just tell the truth now. what kind of truth is it that we're looking for? sheesh.

bomb now. ask (serious) questions / justify later.

i think the best we could do is throw his sorry as* into the deepest dungeon we got.

I just think he could lead us to some valuable evidence to support the US argument of war, hopefully to get the rest of the world off of our backs. I've always supported the war, but it's obvious that the majority of the other nations in the world were against us - hopefully he'll leaed us to some concrete evidence (just not his word, but physical proff) so we can laugh at these nation, and say with a Nelson laugh "HA - HA, TOLD YA SO!".

rbloedow,
thats my exact point though. if he's the only one that can prove (with concrete enough evidence) that he did something that justifies our toppling of his government and country, then isnt it the case that we've done all of thus without any concrete evidence? that's like gutting a man because he killed somebody and then trying to get him to show us where the corpse is.
theres a good reason why our courts are reluctant to convict someone of murder without a body, cause without the body we dont even know if a crime was committed, much less who did it. theres a reason why the trial comes BEFORE the sentencing, the probable cause comes BEFORE the issuance of the search warrant. we respect the concept of innocent until proven guilty.

~d

But we have plenty of bodies from the mass graves we've found, which is concrete enough for me to justify our actions. I guess I meant to say that we'd be able to get more evidence from him, too add to the pool that we already have.

well, according to US law, we were not supposed to know about those graves. we only found them after invading. don't get me wrong, Iraq is better off without Hussein and the gang, but we did not follow our own rules here. (maybe i need to readup on international rules of war )

You guys are really looking way too much into this. It just had to be done, and it wasn't even up to you.

I agree. There will always be people who are going to bitch and complain about our actions, but at the end of the day, it's the results that matter, and we're getting the results that are needed.

it is my DUTY as a citizen to voice my opinion, otherwise we might as well have a dictator making all the decisions for us

 

[Danman]

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: cashman

Originally posted by: KidViciou$

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: darren

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: darren

Originally posted by: rbloedow
Ahhhh, this just makes today a good day Glad that SOB is in our custody, maybe we can pull some info out of him to help support our argument for war since the beginning

that's a peculiar thing to say...why?
because we bombed and toppled a country, killing thousands of civilians, and tens of thousands of troops, searched every city, interrogated thousands of people, searched the cities, captured their leader. now lets hope we can get him to 'admit' that there's a developed nuclear weapons program (of which we've basically found more or less no evidence). but yea, maybe this man who our government has been calling us a liar all this time will just tell the truth now. what kind of truth is it that we're looking for? sheesh.

bomb now. ask (serious) questions / justify later.

i think the best we could do is throw his sorry as* into the deepest dungeon we got.

I just think he could lead us to some valuable evidence to support the US argument of war, hopefully to get the rest of the world off of our backs. I've always supported the war, but it's obvious that the majority of the other nations in the world were against us - hopefully he'll leaed us to some concrete evidence (just not his word, but physical proff) so we can laugh at these nation, and say with a Nelson laugh "HA - HA, TOLD YA SO!".

rbloedow,
thats my exact point though. if he's the only one that can prove (with concrete enough evidence) that he did something that justifies our toppling of his government and country, then isnt it the case that we've done all of thus without any concrete evidence? that's like gutting a man because he killed somebody and then trying to get him to show us where the corpse is.
theres a good reason why our courts are reluctant to convict someone of murder without a body, cause without the body we dont even know if a crime was committed, much less who did it. theres a reason why the trial comes BEFORE the sentencing, the probable cause comes BEFORE the issuance of the search warrant. we respect the concept of innocent until proven guilty.

~d

But we have plenty of bodies from the mass graves we've found, which is concrete enough for me to justify our actions. I guess I meant to say that we'd be able to get more evidence from him, too add to the pool that we already have.

well, according to US law, we were not supposed to know about those graves. we only found them after invading. don't get me wrong, Iraq is better off without Hussein and the gang, but we did not follow our own rules here. (maybe i need to readup on international rules of war )

You guys are really looking way too much into this. It just had to be done, and it wasn't even up to you.

I agree. There will always be people who are going to bitch and complain about our actions, but at the end of the day, it's the results that matter, and we're getting the results that are needed.

Exactly. GWB wanted to do this, and he accomplished a lot with minimal casualities. There's a lot the public doesn't know, we are on a need to know basis guys. And a bunch of the stuff I bet we don't need to know.

 

[StageLeft]

Holy sh*t!!!!!

 

[KidViciou$]

Originally posted by: cashman

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: cashman

Originally posted by: KidViciou$

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: darren

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: darren

Originally posted by: rbloedow
Ahhhh, this just makes today a good day Glad that SOB is in our custody, maybe we can pull some info out of him to help support our argument for war since the beginning

that's a peculiar thing to say...why?
because we bombed and toppled a country, killing thousands of civilians, and tens of thousands of troops, searched every city, interrogated thousands of people, searched the cities, captured their leader. now lets hope we can get him to 'admit' that there's a developed nuclear weapons program (of which we've basically found more or less no evidence). but yea, maybe this man who our government has been calling us a liar all this time will just tell the truth now. what kind of truth is it that we're looking for? sheesh.

bomb now. ask (serious) questions / justify later.

i think the best we could do is throw his sorry as* into the deepest dungeon we got.

I just think he could lead us to some valuable evidence to support the US argument of war, hopefully to get the rest of the world off of our backs. I've always supported the war, but it's obvious that the majority of the other nations in the world were against us - hopefully he'll leaed us to some concrete evidence (just not his word, but physical proff) so we can laugh at these nation, and say with a Nelson laugh "HA - HA, TOLD YA SO!".

rbloedow,
thats my exact point though. if he's the only one that can prove (with concrete enough evidence) that he did something that justifies our toppling of his government and country, then isnt it the case that we've done all of thus without any concrete evidence? that's like gutting a man because he killed somebody and then trying to get him to show us where the corpse is.
theres a good reason why our courts are reluctant to convict someone of murder without a body, cause without the body we dont even know if a crime was committed, much less who did it. theres a reason why the trial comes BEFORE the sentencing, the probable cause comes BEFORE the issuance of the search warrant. we respect the concept of innocent until proven guilty.

~d

But we have plenty of bodies from the mass graves we've found, which is concrete enough for me to justify our actions. I guess I meant to say that we'd be able to get more evidence from him, too add to the pool that we already have.

well, according to US law, we were not supposed to know about those graves. we only found them after invading. don't get me wrong, Iraq is better off without Hussein and the gang, but we did not follow our own rules here. (maybe i need to readup on international rules of war )

You guys are really looking way too much into this. It just had to be done, and it wasn't even up to you.

I agree. There will always be people who are going to bitch and complain about our actions, but at the end of the day, it's the results that matter, and we're getting the results that are needed.

Exactly. GWB wanted to do this, and he accomplished a lot with minimal casualities. There's a lot the public doesn't know, we are on a need to know basis guys. And a bunch of the stuff I bet we don't need to know.

nice security blanket you got there...

 

[Insane3D]

You guys are really looking way too much into this. It just had to be done, and it wasn't even up to you.

Yeah....we shouldn't spend so much time worrying about why we are invading a country...it's not like it's a big thing or anything...

Why exactly did it "have to be done"... IIRC, the President said we needd to disarm him from all these WMD's we knew he had, right? Or was it liberation?

Pffft....who cares..who's on Conan tonight?


Edit:

There's a lot the public doesn't know, we are on a need to know basis guys. And a bunch of the stuff I bet we don't need to know.

Riiight....it's always better to be kept in the dark....stupid information and stuff. Ignorance is bliss right?


Hey, we are going to nuke a country next week, but, don't worry...we have good reasons. Trust us. Thanks, and we will now return you to regularly scheduled programming.

 

[Ime]

My wife woke me out of my slumber to tell me the news!

We got the dirty rat bastard! Finally!

He always said he'd never be taken alive, guess when the time came he showed his true colors: yellow to the core!

 

[darren]

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: darren

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: darren

Originally posted by: rbloedow
Ahhhh, this just makes today a good day Glad that SOB is in our custody, maybe we can pull some info out of him to help support our argument for war since the beginning

that's a peculiar thing to say...why?
because we bombed and toppled a country, killing thousands of civilians, and tens of thousands of troops, searched every city, interrogated thousands of people, searched the cities, captured their leader. now lets hope we can get him to 'admit' that there's a developed nuclear weapons program (of which we've basically found more or less no evidence). but yea, maybe this man who our government has been calling us a liar all this time will just tell the truth now. what kind of truth is it that we're looking for? sheesh.

bomb now. ask (serious) questions / justify later.

i think the best we could do is throw his sorry as* into the deepest dungeon we got.

I just think he could lead us to some valuable evidence to support the US argument of war, hopefully to get the rest of the world off of our backs. I've always supported the war, but it's obvious that the majority of the other nations in the world were against us - hopefully he'll leaed us to some concrete evidence (just not his word, but physical proff) so we can laugh at these nation, and say with a Nelson laugh "HA - HA, TOLD YA SO!".

rbloedow,
thats my exact point though. if he's the only one that can prove (with concrete enough evidence) that he did something that justifies our toppling of his government and country, then isnt it the case that we've done all of thus without any concrete evidence? that's like gutting a man because he killed somebody and then trying to get him to show us where the corpse is.
theres a good reason why our courts are reluctant to convict someone of murder without a body, cause without the body we dont even know if a crime was committed, much less who did it. theres a reason why the trial comes BEFORE the sentencing, the probable cause comes BEFORE the issuance of the search warrant. we respect the concept of innocent until proven guilty.

~d

But we have plenty of bodies from the mass graves we've found, which is concrete enough for me to justify our actions. I guess I meant to say that we'd be able to get more evidence from him, too add to the pool that we already have.

we went to war because he had a nuclear program that threatened INTERNATIONAL security.

you're right; he is a dictator that mass murderered thousands of people in his country.
finding a dictator who murdered thousands of his own people could never be the STATED or REAL dispositive reason for waging war and toppling governments, otherwise we would be obliged to topple and take over most of africa, parts of south america, parts of asia, all of southeast asia.

what we are talking about here are the differences between reason, justification, and rationalization.

reasons come before and real. justification comes after, but is still keeping it real.
rationalization is what happens when someone does something wrong. then afterwords scrambles around for whatever excuses and reasons that may justify his actions, but in all reality do not justify them.

i also agree that proving that he mass murdered kurds (which is clear) is reason enough to sentence him to death, but i dont think at the costs of the war (which likely killed more civilians than we can pin on Saddam) and occupation that we are carrying out right now.

 

[Feldenak]

Great news. I'm glad we finally got him.

 

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: KidViciou$

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: cashman

Originally posted by: KidViciou$

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: darren

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: darren

Originally posted by: rbloedow
Ahhhh, this just makes today a good day Glad that SOB is in our custody, maybe we can pull some info out of him to help support our argument for war since the beginning

that's a peculiar thing to say...why?
because we bombed and toppled a country, killing thousands of civilians, and tens of thousands of troops, searched every city, interrogated thousands of people, searched the cities, captured their leader. now lets hope we can get him to 'admit' that there's a developed nuclear weapons program (of which we've basically found more or less no evidence). but yea, maybe this man who our government has been calling us a liar all this time will just tell the truth now. what kind of truth is it that we're looking for? sheesh.

bomb now. ask (serious) questions / justify later.

i think the best we could do is throw his sorry as* into the deepest dungeon we got.

I just think he could lead us to some valuable evidence to support the US argument of war, hopefully to get the rest of the world off of our backs. I've always supported the war, but it's obvious that the majority of the other nations in the world were against us - hopefully he'll leaed us to some concrete evidence (just not his word, but physical proff) so we can laugh at these nation, and say with a Nelson laugh "HA - HA, TOLD YA SO!".

rbloedow,
thats my exact point though. if he's the only one that can prove (with concrete enough evidence) that he did something that justifies our toppling of his government and country, then isnt it the case that we've done all of thus without any concrete evidence? that's like gutting a man because he killed somebody and then trying to get him to show us where the corpse is.
theres a good reason why our courts are reluctant to convict someone of murder without a body, cause without the body we dont even know if a crime was committed, much less who did it. theres a reason why the trial comes BEFORE the sentencing, the probable cause comes BEFORE the issuance of the search warrant. we respect the concept of innocent until proven guilty.

~d

But we have plenty of bodies from the mass graves we've found, which is concrete enough for me to justify our actions. I guess I meant to say that we'd be able to get more evidence from him, too add to the pool that we already have.

well, according to US law, we were not supposed to know about those graves. we only found them after invading. don't get me wrong, Iraq is better off without Hussein and the gang, but we did not follow our own rules here. (maybe i need to readup on international rules of war )

You guys are really looking way too much into this. It just had to be done, and it wasn't even up to you.

I agree. There will always be people who are going to bitch and complain about our actions, but at the end of the day, it's the results that matter, and we're getting the results that are needed.

it is my DUTY as a citizen to voice my opinion, otherwise we might as well have a dictator making all the decisions for us

I didn't say there was anything wrong with you voicing your opinion, but again, at the end of the day it's the results of this war that matter, and they will ultimately eclipse your opinion. Say what you want, but it's falling on deaf ears.

 

[KidViciou$]

nobody said anything about my art work

 

[Insane3D]

we went to war because he had a nuclear program that threatened INTERNATIONAL security.

Where was that again? We found that already right?

Edit:

So when there is a nuclear program that threatens international security, we will go to war to elimate that right? Good thing NK doesn't have any nukes..

 

[KidViciou$]

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: KidViciou$

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: cashman

Originally posted by: KidViciou$

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: darren

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: darren

Originally posted by: rbloedow
Ahhhh, this just makes today a good day Glad that SOB is in our custody, maybe we can pull some info out of him to help support our argument for war since the beginning

that's a peculiar thing to say...why?
because we bombed and toppled a country, killing thousands of civilians, and tens of thousands of troops, searched every city, interrogated thousands of people, searched the cities, captured their leader. now lets hope we can get him to 'admit' that there's a developed nuclear weapons program (of which we've basically found more or less no evidence). but yea, maybe this man who our government has been calling us a liar all this time will just tell the truth now. what kind of truth is it that we're looking for? sheesh.

bomb now. ask (serious) questions / justify later.

i think the best we could do is throw his sorry as* into the deepest dungeon we got.

I just think he could lead us to some valuable evidence to support the US argument of war, hopefully to get the rest of the world off of our backs. I've always supported the war, but it's obvious that the majority of the other nations in the world were against us - hopefully he'll leaed us to some concrete evidence (just not his word, but physical proff) so we can laugh at these nation, and say with a Nelson laugh "HA - HA, TOLD YA SO!".

rbloedow,
thats my exact point though. if he's the only one that can prove (with concrete enough evidence) that he did something that justifies our toppling of his government and country, then isnt it the case that we've done all of thus without any concrete evidence? that's like gutting a man because he killed somebody and then trying to get him to show us where the corpse is.
theres a good reason why our courts are reluctant to convict someone of murder without a body, cause without the body we dont even know if a crime was committed, much less who did it. theres a reason why the trial comes BEFORE the sentencing, the probable cause comes BEFORE the issuance of the search warrant. we respect the concept of innocent until proven guilty.

~d

But we have plenty of bodies from the mass graves we've found, which is concrete enough for me to justify our actions. I guess I meant to say that we'd be able to get more evidence from him, too add to the pool that we already have.

well, according to US law, we were not supposed to know about those graves. we only found them after invading. don't get me wrong, Iraq is better off without Hussein and the gang, but we did not follow our own rules here. (maybe i need to readup on international rules of war )

You guys are really looking way too much into this. It just had to be done, and it wasn't even up to you.

I agree. There will always be people who are going to bitch and complain about our actions, but at the end of the day, it's the results that matter, and we're getting the results that are needed.

it is my DUTY as a citizen to voice my opinion, otherwise we might as well have a dictator making all the decisions for us

I didn't say there was anything wrong with you voicing your opinion, buy again, at the end of the day it's the results of this war that matter, and they will ultimately eclipse your opinion. Say what you want, but it's falling on deaf ears.

maybe so, but that's because people prefer to stay deaf and blind. listen to both sides, then make your choice, thats the road to logic

 

[Danman]

Originally posted by: Insane3D

You guys are really looking way too much into this. It just had to be done, and it wasn't even up to you.

Yeah....we shouldn't spend so much time worrying about why we are invading a country...it's not like it's a big thing or anything...

Why exactly did it "have to be done"... IIRC, the President said we needd to disarm him from all these WMD's we knew he had, right? Or was it liberation?

Pffft....who cares..who's on Conan tonight?


Edit:

There's a lot the public doesn't know, we are on a need to know basis guys. And a bunch of the stuff I bet we don't need to know.

Riiight....it's always better to be kept in the dark....stupid information and stuff. Ignorance is bliss right?


Hey, we are going to nuke a country next week, but, don't worry...we have good reasons. Trust us. Thanks, and we will now return you to regularly scheduled programming.

Insane3D, I'm only trying to prove a point. If the average US citizen really knew what the US agencies went through on a daily basis, the would go crazy. They hold info from us to have stability in the economy and the country. You seem like a smart person, so you would be able to understand this kind of info if you found it out. But you are only a minority, the majority would take it the wrong way.

 

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: Insane3D

we went to war because he had a nuclear program that threatened INTERNATIONAL security.

Where was that again? We found that already right?

Remember the Iraqui scientist that came foreward with parts to produce nuclear weapons?