Saddam's Capture Story Fabricated

fornax

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An ex-marine, member of the team that captured Saddam Husein, says that the public version of Saddam's capture was fabricated. Apparently he was caught in a home in a village, and not in some hole in the ground. Kudos to the Pentagon propaganda department, Goebbels would have been proud of them.

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ntdz

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I actually liked the story of what this guy said happened. He was firing at US Troops with a pistol? Shows he derranged he really is if it's true. I don't believe the marine though, I think he's lying.
 

maddogchen

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3 Parts make it sound fishy to me but it could have happened. They could have dragged Saddam to the spot and filmed him being captured in the spiderhole.

"I was among the 20-man unit, including eight of Arab descent,
With all the need for Arabian translators it would seem weird that 8 are in the same unit.

"We captured him after fierce resistance during which a Marine of Sudanese origin was killed," he said.
Dont know why but this seemed weird.

Abou Rabeh was interviewed in Lebanon.
 

BBond

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It wouldn't be the first story fabricated by Bush in Iraq.

From WMD to drone aircraft to yellow cake to tons of sarin gas to Iraqis greeting our troops with flowers to Jessica Lynch.

It's all a propaganda show for a nation hooked on reality TV.

 

maddogchen

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Also Saddam's lawyers have visited him numerous times and came back to denounce the US. How come I haven't heard of them denouncing the US version of his capture?
 

StageLeft

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
What is the difference???

Why make up the story about the hole in the ground???
Because instead of a tough guy who fought until the end, you've got a story about a tough guy who suddenly turned into a little coward, cowering in a hole. Which story makes saddam look worse?

This is one guy's version vs. everybody else's. Until there is more dissent, I will believe the original story.

 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
What is the difference???

Why make up the story about the hole in the ground???
Because instead of a tough guy who fought until the end, you've got a story about a tough guy who suddenly turned into a little coward, cowering in a hole. Which story makes saddam look worse?

This is one guy's version vs. everybody else's. Until there is more dissent, I will believe the original story.

If that's the case then that particular fabrication didn't have the desired effect.
No one really seemed to care that Saddam was caught in the hole by either Dems or Repubs. Just happy he was caught period.

Of course his name is not Osama bin Laden, the real Terrist and mastermind of 9-11 but such details do not matter to Bush or the Republicans.



 

cKGunslinger

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Originally posted by: maddogchen
Also Saddam's lawyers have visited him numerous times and came back to denounce the US. How come I haven't heard of them denouncing the US version of his capture?
They are all in it together - Bush, Cheney, Hussein, Osama. The Bush admin paid them off to the tune of several billion dollars each, and they gave us a reason and let us "invade" the Iraq, so that Haliburton could get mad rich, and Bush could get relected. Also - cheap oil for all! I'm already diggin my moat so I can surround my house with a burning lake of oil! All for just pennies day! Environmental concerns? - that's why Bush tortured and forced Clinton and his Congress to not support Kyoto! This has been in the works for years!

And don't get me started on the UFOs!
 

Starbuck1975

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If that's the case then that particular fabrication didn't have the desired effect.

I believe the intended target was the Saddam loyalists and insurgents still fighting in Iraq...humiliation and cowardice are a big deal in Islamic culture...although apparently it wasnt enough for them to lose their will to fight.
 

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If that's the case then that particular fabrication didn't have the desired effect.
No one really seemed to care that Saddam was caught in the hole by either Dems or Repubs. Just happy he was caught period.
You didn't have a good laugh? I know I did, and a lot of people did. If true, the US pushed saddam out of his palace into the bottom of a filthy hole. Quite the thing. If they lied, well that sucks.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
If that's the case then that particular fabrication didn't have the desired effect.

I believe the intended target was the Saddam loyalists and insurgents still fighting in Iraq...humiliation and cowardice are a big deal in Islamic culture...although apparently it wasnt enough for them to lose their will to fight.

Ahhhh, makes sense. Then it sure didn't have the desired effect at all.

Looks like Brainwashing only works on Conserative Americans.


 

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It's impossible to know the truth. We all know they "wag the dog" ALOT. Individual accounts aren't exactly reliable either as memory often distorts reality. However I personally will give this guy the benefit of the doubt to a degree. Remember the Jessica Lynch "rescue?"
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: judasmachine
It's impossible to know the truth. We all know they "wag the dog" ALOT. Individual accounts aren't exactly reliable either as memory often distorts reality. However I personally will give this guy the benefit of the doubt to a degree. Remember the Jessica Lynch "rescue?"

I'm pretty disgusted with the whole sensationalism of the whole Iraq situation, from the claim of WMD all the way down.

The embedded reporters cost the life of David Bloom...

Just everything about this fiasco.

 

StageLeft

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: judasmachine
It's impossible to know the truth. We all know they "wag the dog" ALOT. Individual accounts aren't exactly reliable either as memory often distorts reality. However I personally will give this guy the benefit of the doubt to a degree. Remember the Jessica Lynch "rescue?"

I'm pretty disgusted with the whole sensationalism of the whole Iraq situation, from the claim of WMD all the way down.

The embedded reporters cost the life of David Bloom...

Just everything about this fiasco.
You mean you aren't proud of jessica lynch?

 

Ldir

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Originally posted by: fornax
An ex-marine, member of the team that captured Saddam Husein, says that the public version of Saddam's capture was fabricated. Apparently he was caught in a home in a village, and not in some hole in the ground. Cudos to the Pentagon propaganda department, Goebbels would have been proud of them.

Link to story

This matches a story circulating when he was captured. A Middle East newspaper reported that Kurdish forces captured Hussein. This is important because their story was published the day before we announced his capture. They reported that the Kurds turned him over to us. That is why there were so many Kurds with the US patrol.
 

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Originally posted by: Ldir
Originally posted by: fornax
An ex-marine, member of the team that captured Saddam Husein, says that the public version of Saddam's capture was fabricated. Apparently he was caught in a home in a village, and not in some hole in the ground. Cudos to the Pentagon propaganda department, Goebbels would have been proud of them.

Link to story

This matches a story circulating when he was captured. A Middle East newspaper reported that Kurdish forces captured Hussein. This is important because their story was published the day before we announced his capture. They reported that the Kurds turned him over to us. That is why there were so many Kurds with the US patrol.
May be hard to find, but do you have a link?
 

Ldir

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: Ldir
Originally posted by: fornax
An ex-marine, member of the team that captured Saddam Husein, says that the public version of Saddam's capture was fabricated. Apparently he was caught in a home in a village, and not in some hole in the ground. Cudos to the Pentagon propaganda department, Goebbels would have been proud of them.

Link to story

This matches a story circulating when he was captured. A Middle East newspaper reported that Kurdish forces captured Hussein. This is important because their story was published the day before we announced his capture. They reported that the Kurds turned him over to us. That is why there were so many Kurds with the US patrol.
May be hard to find, but do you have a link?

No. It is somewhere in the archived threads. It was discussed here.
 

Ldir

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Here is a link to the thread: Link. The link to the original story does not work. There are some quotes in the thread.
 

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
What is the difference???

Why make up the story about the hole in the ground???
Because instead of a tough guy who fought until the end, you've got a story about a tough guy who suddenly turned into a little coward, cowering in a hole. Which story makes saddam look worse?

This is one guy's version vs. everybody else's. Until there is more dissent, I will believe the original story.

If that's the case then that particular fabrication didn't have the desired effect.
No one really seemed to care that Saddam was caught in the hole by either Dems or Repubs. Just happy he was caught period.

Of course his name is not Osama bin Laden, the real Terrist and mastermind of 9-11 but such details do not matter to Bush or the Republicans.

Right...because that is why they went after Saddam, oh wait, no it wasn't?
 

Deptacon

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Originally posted by: fornax
An ex-marine, member of the team that captured Saddam Husein, says that the public version of Saddam's capture was fabricated. Apparently he was caught in a home in a village, and not in some hole in the ground. Cudos to the Pentagon propaganda department, Goebbels would have been proud of them.

Link to story


hey thier buddy marines didint capture saddam. elements of the 4th ID did. US Army.


Wait, isn't this arab marine who deserted and ran off to lebanon???? I think it is. the one who said he was captured. then turned up in lebanon. turned out he deserted.

anyobdy remebr that? find a link, with the guys name?

also, this says it was qouted from an saudi newspaper....now there is a reliable source....dude this is total BS.

ive meet one of the guys from the 4th ID who captured him. he was a guest speaker at a military event i went to. this is total BS
 

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Originally posted by: Deptacon
Wait, isn't this arab marine who deserted and ran off to lebanon???? I think it is. the one who said he was captured. then turned up in lebanon. turned out he deserted.
No, Abou Rabeh is NOT Cpl. Wassef Ali Hassoun, though both DO have an 'a' in their last names, so I can see how easily they'd be mistaken by a racist or a retard.

One good reason for fabricating the "spider-hole" story would be to obscure the true actual place of capture, which would be a clue to the Sadaam loyalists as to who in the old Baath hierarchy ratted him out.

 

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Originally posted by: ntdz
I actually liked the story of what this guy said happened. He was firing at US Troops with a pistol? Shows he derranged he really is if it's true. I don't believe the marine though, I think he's lying.

I think so too. I don't believe anyone would have had the imagination to make up the "hole" story and the marine has motivation to keep another Muslim from looking so pathetic.

 

imported_Condor

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Originally posted by: BBond
It wouldn't be the first story fabricated by Bush in Iraq.

From WMD to drone aircraft to yellow cake to tons of sarin gas to Iraqis greeting our troops with flowers to Jessica Lynch.

It's all a propaganda show for a nation hooked on reality TV.

BBond, if Bush had set his chair on your bare toe and told you that it hurt, you would say he was lying while you bit your lip to hold back the pain!

 
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