Samsung Galaxy S6 hype thread

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lopri

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I noticed one from each camp. (Samsung and Apple, Samsung one seems much worse so far) Both are going under my ignore list as I am writing this. What is tragic is that they probably do not realize that their advocacy comes off as a huge turn-off and thus backfires.

What's worse, the forum suffers because trolling stymies productive discussions. It inevitably entails hypocrisy and double-speaks, and not everyone has inclinations or resources, such as time, to rebut and follow through those motivated trolls who practically dwell around the forums 24/7. (one of the reasons why I rarely visit CPU sub-forum)
 

abj13

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I noticed one from each camp. (Samsung and Apple, Samsung one seems much worse so far) Both are going under my ignore list as I am writing this. What is tragic is that they probably do not realize that their advocacy comes off as a huge turn-off and thus backfires.

What's worse, the forum suffers because trolling stymies productive discussions. It inevitably entails hypocrisy and double-speaks, and not everyone has inclinations or resources, such as time, to rebut and follow through those motivated trolls who practically dwell around the forums 24/7. (one of the reasons why I rarely visit CPU sub-forum)

Sadly it isn't just one from each side, there's many more. This thread has the perfect example of some of the useless biased fans around here, one example was someone bragging about their phone screen's representation of white. When approached with objective measurements of whites, what is their response? As profound and objective they could be, their simple response is nothing but a crappy attempt of sticking their thumbs in their ears and saying how "Numbers mean nothing." I get it, everyone has their preferences, but when you have objective data like that and you ignore it, it really goes to tell you who are the utter toolbags who only post favorable things about one phone, and then take a dump on anything that they aren't "rooting" for.

Thankfully between this thread and the Apple Watch thread, there's one notable problematic poster who hasn't been posting much. I have to be so thankful to not see his annoying posts pop up, putting down one series of phones to prop up his own biases. I'm here for objective analysis, and it becomes painful when you can just read a poster's screenname and know exactly what they are going to say before even reading their post.



On topic: Anybody hear when the final GS6 review will be done here? The M9 has been posted.
 

Skurge

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Achtung!

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I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss them. 810 IMO was more an issue of management not thinking 64bit was of any good yet and rushing 810 out. rightfully so. 820 should be a return to form. Qualcomm still are great CPU architects.

Future Qualcomm CPUs will be manufactured by Samsung.

They just signed an agreement a few weeks ago.
 

Artdeco

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Well "Want China Times" retracted the story, which means that it was probably false.

"Want China Times" is just a Chinese newspaper that just wants more views and readership.

And Samsung has been convicted of far worse, they've been convicted of things like having paid shills post in forums.

Dunno what's lower, having paid shills or being one...
 

s44

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I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss them. 810 IMO was more an issue of management not thinking 64bit was of any good yet and rushing 810 out. rightfully so. 820 should be a return to form. Qualcomm still are great CPU architects.
I guess you're thinking of the Krait era. Before that, though, was the Scorpion era when Qualcomm sat on their butt too long and got lapped.
 

dawheat

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I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss them. 810 IMO was more an issue of management not thinking 64bit was of any good yet and rushing 810 out. rightfully so. 820 should be a return to form. Qualcomm still are great CPU architects.

Agree - Samsung needs to not get complacent based on just recent history. If QC comes out with 2 duds in a row, then maybe we can talk. But I fully expect the S820 to be a return to form for QC.

Honestly, some of the Exynos variants have been pretty bad in recent years, the S4 Exynos SOC coming to mind especially.

I prefer Samsung to continue to follow their policy - use the best component available, regardless of source. If the S820 is better than the current Exynos SOC, I want that. If Sony sensors continue to be better than your ISOCELL sensor, I want that.
 

dawheat

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Considering Samsung's market guidance today for Q1, it's likely AP and memory sales are carrying the load again which will make Q2 so interesting. The first quarter the S6 is on sale will determine whether smartphones drive their profits again, or whether an era of lower profits is here to stay.

AP and memory will continue to be strengths all year,but if the S6 is a hit, they'll see multiplying benefits through phone, AP, memory, and display profits. The higher margins on the 64/128GB variants will also help if those variants sell at good volumes.

So is the era of 4-6 billion in quarterly profits here to stay, or can they return to 8-10+ billion?
 

Achtung!

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Considering Samsung's market guidance today for Q1, it's likely AP and memory sales are carrying the load again which will make Q2 so interesting. The first quarter the S6 is on sale will determine whether smartphones drive their profits again, or whether an era of lower profits is here to stay.

AP and memory will continue to be strengths all year,but if the S6 is a hit, they'll see multiplying benefits through phone, AP, memory, and display profits. The higher margins on the 64/128GB variants will also help if those variants sell at good volumes.

So is the era of 4-6 billion in quarterly profits here to stay, or can they return to 8-10+ billion?

It really depends on the profit margins for the Galaxy S6 and S6 edge.

Samsung's profits should really increase in Q2 and Q3 and we may see an even bigger increase in Q4 as the big bucks from Apple come in with the new A9 14nm chips. Also with new contracts from Qualcomm and Nvidia, this may further push up Samsung's profits into the 8-10+ billion range.

So it's not all about smartphones. Approximately half of Samsung's profits actually comes from the processor manufacturing and semiconductor sectors. And I would imagine that there is also an overlap in the allocation of capital between Samsung Heavy Industries/Techwin and other subsidiaries of Samsung Group if Samsung Electronic's profits continue their current streak (which is unlikely IMO).
 
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Artdeco

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Achtung, you never did admit you were wrong about bloatwear on Apple products, you seem to have a very good understanding of the mobile market and smartphones, an admission you were wrong is in order, sir.
 

lopri

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On topic: Anybody hear when the final GS6 review will be done here? The M9 has been posted.

I think it will be a while unless they break the review into more parts. Exynos 7420 is arguably the most important and interesting part in the S6/Edge for many reasons and I think they probably want to cover it in depth. I would not mind a final review without the ins and outs of the 7420 but they set the bar high themselves in the past so there is that. Unfortunately precious few are known about the chip so far.

I mean, can you even identify where the CPU/GPU clusters are from this pic? (Looking closely I think the 4 x A57s are at the top left, somewhat darker/greener-colored than the rest of the chip)

 

zerogear

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I think it will be a while unless they break the review into more parts. Exynos 7420 is arguably the most important and interesting part in the S6/Edge for many reasons and I think they probably want to cover it in depth. I would not mind a final review without the ins and outs of the 7420 but they set the bar high themselves in the past so there is that. Unfortunately precious few are known about the chip so far.

I mean, can you even identify where the CPU/GPU clusters are from this pic? (Looking closely I think the 4 x A57s are at the top left, somewhat darker/greener-colored than the rest of the chip)


That's what worries me about Exynos chips. They seem to keep the data about it private, so in turn, becomes harder for ROM cookers to make modifications. Has been true for past Exynos chips, we'll see for this generation since they don't have a Qualcomm version.

I noticed one from each camp. (Samsung and Apple, Samsung one seems much worse so far) Both are going under my ignore list as I am writing this. What is tragic is that they probably do not realize that their advocacy comes off as a huge turn-off and thus backfires.

What's worse, the forum suffers because trolling stymies productive discussions. It inevitably entails hypocrisy and double-speaks, and not everyone has inclinations or resources, such as time, to rebut and follow through those motivated trolls who practically dwell around the forums 24/7. (one of the reasons why I rarely visit CPU sub-forum)

I'm not naming names, but I find it also highly suspect that a few people have only had a new account since the SGS6 thread (and most posts have been in this thread only), and has been bashing every other phones asides SGS6....
 
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deathBOB

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I had a chance to check out the S6 and Edge yesterday. Both displays were stunning. It felt like I was looking at a set of physical objects rather than a screen displaying a set of icons/text/etc.
 

Achtung!

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I think it will be a while unless they break the review into more parts. Exynos 7420 is arguably the most important and interesting part in the S6/Edge for many reasons and I think they probably want to cover it in depth. I would not mind a final review without the ins and outs of the 7420 but they set the bar high themselves in the past so there is that. Unfortunately precious few are known about the chip so far.

I mean, can you even identify where the CPU/GPU clusters are from this pic? (Looking closely I think the 4 x A57s are at the top left, somewhat darker/greener-colored than the rest of the chip)


Well the Exynos 7420 is the world's first 14nm processor.

So I guess that's the most interesting part.
 

Dari

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Sadly it isn't just one from each side, there's many more. This thread has the perfect example of some of the useless biased fans around here, one example was someone bragging about their phone screen's representation of white. When approached with objective measurements of whites, what is their response? As profound and objective they could be, their simple response is nothing but a crappy attempt of sticking their thumbs in their ears and saying how "Numbers mean nothing." I get it, everyone has their preferences, but when you have objective data like that and you ignore it, it really goes to tell you who are the utter toolbags who only post favorable things about one phone, and then take a dump on anything that they aren't "rooting" for.

Thankfully between this thread and the Apple Watch thread, there's one notable problematic poster who hasn't been posting much. I have to be so thankful to not see his annoying posts pop up, putting down one series of phones to prop up his own biases. I'm here for objective analysis, and it becomes painful when you can just read a poster's screenname and know exactly what they are going to say before even reading their post.



On topic: Anybody hear when the final GS6 review will be done here? The M9 has been posted.

I'm assuming you're talking about me. As I said before, those numbers mean diddly-squat when you are actually looking at the thing. They can have "perfect" white all day every day but it means little when they're dull. I don't need a rigorous scientific analysis to tell me that one screen isn't brighter than another. And I did check out an iPhone I got for my cousin a little over a month ago. My phone was on the grayish side compared to it, not blue.

I mean, this is not difficult to understand. If the advantage of OLED is perfect blacks, then it has to be weak in whites, it's polar opposite. If there is no backlight for blacks (a good thing) then the same thing holds true for whites (a bad thing). All the other colors are somewhere in the middle. Again, this is simple observational fact and common sense. As I've said many times in the past Samsung's OLEDs have had two problems, terrible tints and dull whites. For the S6 the terrible tints are gone but the dull white is still there.

I would've responded sooner but I suddenly realized that I was arguing over the internet about something perceptive, obvious and unimportant.

Oh, it was "sedated" white. That is a new one! I guess there is a first for everything. Sedated white.. hmm.. is it something like Xanax white? ^_^

White that puts you to sleep. It's their weakest link.
 
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dawheat

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I'm assuming you're talking about me. As I said before, those numbers mean diddly-squat when you are actually looking at the thing. They can have "perfect" white all day every day but it means little when they're dull. I don't need a rigorous scientific analysis to tell me that one screen isn't brighter than another. And I did check out an iPhone I got for my cousin a little over a month ago. My phone was on the grayish side compared to it, not blue.

I mean, this is not difficult to understand. If the advantage of OLED is perfect blacks, then it has to be weak in whites, it's polar opposite. If there is no backlight for blacks (a good thing) then the same thing holds true for whites (a bad thing). All the other colors are somewhere in the middle. Again, this is simple observational fact and common sense. As I've said many times in the past Samsung's OLEDs have had two problems, terrible tints and dull whites. For the S6 the terrible tints are gone but the dull white is still there.

I would've responded sooner but I suddenly realized that I was arguing over the internet about something perceptive, obvious and unimportant.



White that puts you to sleep. It's their weakest link.
We'd all miss him if he's gone. Who else can point out things that are "obvious, fact, and common sense" in such a uniquely pompous way that everyone else and every professional reviewer are clearly missing. We were blind but now we see.

It would be helpful to find even a single source who shares your POV. It would make it about 100,000 to 2 at least.
 
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Dari

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We'd all miss him if he's gone. Who else can point out things that are "obvious, fact, and common sense" in such a uniquely pompous way that everyone else and every professional reviewer are clearly missing. We were blind but now we see.

It would be helpful to find even a single source who shares your POV. It would make it about 100,000 to 2 at least.

I don't need other people telling me what's good and what isn't. I can judge for myself. If the situation changes I have zero problems stating as such (e.g. Samsung's terrible tints being a thing of the past). But the whites simply do not compare to those on LCDs. I mean, use what G-d gave you, your eyes. Nothing else matters.
 

abj13

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I'm assuming you're talking about me. As I said before, those numbers mean diddly-squat when you are actually looking at the thing. They can have "perfect" white all day every day but it means little when they're dull. I don't need a rigorous scientific analysis to tell me that one screen isn't brighter than another. And I did check out an iPhone I got for my cousin a little over a month ago. My phone was on the grayish side compared to it, not blue.

I mean, this is not difficult to understand. If the advantage of OLED is perfect blacks, then it has to be weak in whites, it's polar opposite. If there is no backlight for blacks (a good thing) then the same thing holds true for whites (a bad thing). All the other colors are somewhere in the middle. Again, this is simple observational fact and common sense. As I've said many times in the past Samsung's OLEDs have had two problems, terrible tints and dull whites. For the S6 the terrible tints are gone but the dull white is still there.

I would've responded sooner but I suddenly realized that I was arguing over the internet about something perceptive, obvious and unimportant.

Good grief. This inane, doublespeak post reminds me of the black/blue vs white/gold dress. Clearly everybody had their own interpretation of the dress, and that's fine. In the end, it was revealed that the dress really was black/blue in real life. Those seeing white/gold was due to how the photo was taken, there wasn't anything wrong with their opinion, it was formed on that photo. You on the other hand are coming in here, stomping around like a child, and are trying to tell everyone that the dress really was white/gold in real life, not just the that one photo.

Amazingly, every quality review on recent AMOLED screens doesn't come to the same opinion, and their objective numbers don't lie. It would be much better if you called a spade a spade, and said the truth, you are a shill for iPhones, and prefer their screen. That's totally fine. But don't come in here, and try to ignore objective analysis and put down AMOLED screens with nothing but hyperbole. Don't come around here using words like "obvious, perceptive, common sense, observational fact" when you don't practice it, let alone understand the true meaning of such powerful words. This single post reflects some of the aspects that makes reading this subforum go from really helpful from the good posters to absolutely dreadful from certain posters, given the lack of any sense of intellectual honesty.

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The numbers are out there, already posted by others. When I see the Anandtech initial review for the S6/Edge say:

Overall, this is probably the best display anyone will be able to get in a smartphone right now.

They have the data just like other websites that can support such statements. I think many people here are scientifically driven, and prefer evidence based conclusions, not dreadful biased made-up opinions we see like the above poster.
 

dawheat

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I don't need other people telling me what's good and what isn't. I can judge for myself. If the situation changes I have zero problems stating as such (e.g. Samsung's terrible tints being a thing of the past). But the whites simply do not compare to those on LCDs. I mean, use what G-d gave you, your eyes. Nothing else matters.

This comment I have 0 problems with as you clearly state your opinion. Everyone has that right and is the whole point of having forums. The problem only arises when folks try to pass off their opinion as fact and worse, state it as fact.

You should have 0 problems with me (and dozens of others) saying - I saw the S6 in person at Best Buy and found no issues with their whites compared to LCD counterparts, beyond the difference between cool and warm calibration. I tried out the different screen modes as well as auto and max brightness. I found it to be the best overall screen I've ever seen or used on a smartphone.

As I used my eyes, nothing else matters.
 

Achtung!

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I'm assuming you're talking about me. As I said before, those numbers mean diddly-squat when you are actually looking at the thing. They can have "perfect" white all day every day but it means little when they're dull. I don't need a rigorous scientific analysis to tell me that one screen isn't brighter than another. And I did check out an iPhone I got for my cousin a little over a month ago. My phone was on the grayish side compared to it, not blue.

I mean, this is not difficult to understand. If the advantage of OLED is perfect blacks, then it has to be weak in whites, it's polar opposite. If there is no backlight for blacks (a good thing) then the same thing holds true for whites (a bad thing). All the other colors are somewhere in the middle. Again, this is simple observational fact and common sense. As I've said many times in the past Samsung's OLEDs have had two problems, terrible tints and dull whites. For the S6 the terrible tints are gone but the dull white is still there.

I would've responded sooner but I suddenly realized that I was arguing over the internet about something perceptive, obvious and unimportant.



White that puts you to sleep. It's their weakest link.

You clearly haven't read DisplayMate's review of the Galaxy S6 display.

The Galaxy S6 has higher max brightness and more accurate colors than the iPhone 6.

By the way, high brightness in bright conditions (i.e. indoors) is damaging to the eyes.
 

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Nope, Sony.

Dari calls Achtung! a schill for Samsung, when he's the same way for Sony and Japanese products. Ah, no objectivity whatsoever. Every review can say Samsung has the best displays ever but he will always deny it because of his own bias. I can see why people would be fanboys for a company but not for why you would hate on the same company over & over. See Samsung in a thread title, see Dari saying something negative. I'm not the fan of some companies but I don't go out of my way to their posts just to say something bad about them.
 
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