Sandra Bland Dashboard Video Released

[soundforbjt]

Look man -

I'm not justifying the overall cops actions here. Believe me. I don't think it's worth the time or day to pull someone over for not signaling. They have bigger fish to fry.

I'm just saying there is a VERY simply code of ethic you can ingrain in yourself in order to not fuck yourself over when it comes to dealing with the police. No, it's not kissing their ass literally - it's just giving them their stupid power trip authority fake "respect" with no sir, yes sir, get out of the car when asked (instead of forced). Don't try to run. Don't try to drive away... and things will be okay for you in life. I can guarantee it.

If a cop is doing something wrong, you can bring it up later and do your best to start gathering evidence at the scene without pissing off the power tripping cops. Get out your phone and advise you are starting to record, get a dash cam yourself, get a simple tape recorder, etc.. Point simply being: Don't be stupid. That's what this story is ultimately about. Someone stupid did something stupid. And that could have been prevented.

Tell that to the guy who was shot for following an officer's instructions.

 

[First]

Don't be stupid. That's what this story is ultimately about. Someone stupid did something stupid. And that could have been prevented.

The irony, she is thick.

 

[HomerJS]

Look man -

I'm not justifying the overall cops actions here. Believe me. I don't think it's worth the time or day to pull someone over for not signaling. They have bigger fish to fry.

I'm just saying there is a VERY simply code of ethic you can ingrain in yourself in order to not fuck yourself over when it comes to dealing with the police. No, it's not kissing their ass literally - it's just giving them their stupid power trip authority fake "respect" with no sir, yes sir, get out of the car when asked (instead of forced). Don't try to run. Don't try to drive away... and things will be okay for you in life. I can guarantee it.

If a cop is doing something wrong, you can bring it up later and do your best to start gathering evidence at the scene without pissing off the power tripping cops. Get out your phone and advise you are starting to record, get a dash cam yourself, get a simple tape recorder, etc.. Point simply being: Don't be stupid. That's what this story is ultimately about. Someone stupid did something stupid. And that could have been prevented.

and tell that to the black guy shot for following the cops instructions to the letter. He was pulled over for a fucking seatbelt!!! He's lucky he lived

 

[Moonbeam]

And all the pig had to do was write a ticket and not generate an attitude.

Why is it with you sycophants that respect only has to go one way? Pigs can be assholes, but citizens need to bow down and pay respect?

I have explained this countless times on this forum. Humanity is infected by self hate as a means by which parents insure the conformity of their children. You are evil and will get no love if you do not do what I say. Only if you conform to my rules and these sacred laws of our group will you be safe in the world. We suffer from Stockholm syndrome. We become the instruments of torture, the programmed zombies and blind faith adherents to authority.

Alternately, we may rebel against authority and turn that self hate against it.

A third way would be to collapse this paradox of the two faces of this disease via higher self understanding, the knowledge that remembering the process of conditioning by reliving it by actually going deep into what you really feel.

You are healthier than many because you feel your rage, not your average numb zombie, but you still do not see that humanity is asleep and can't be held responsible for our suffering. Only you can become aware. You can see the conditioned imbecility of authoritarian worshipers but you can't make them see it. I can't make you see any of this either. But if not now, some other day perhaps.

 

[Moonbeam]

Look man -

I can guarantee it. .

Actually, you can't guarantee anything.

 

[BoberFett]

Look man -

I'm not justifying the overall cops actions here. Believe me. I don't think it's worth the time or day to pull someone over for not signaling. They have bigger fish to fry.

I'm just saying there is a VERY simply code of ethic you can ingrain in yourself in order to not fuck yourself over when it comes to dealing with the police. No, it's not kissing their ass literally - it's just giving them their stupid power trip authority fake "respect" with no sir, yes sir, get out of the car when asked (instead of forced). Don't try to run. Don't try to drive away... and things will be okay for you in life. I can guarantee it.

If a cop is doing something wrong, you can bring it up later and do your best to start gathering evidence at the scene without pissing off the power tripping cops. Get out your phone and advise you are starting to record, get a dash cam yourself, get a simple tape recorder, etc.. Point simply being: Don't be stupid. That's what this story is ultimately about. Someone stupid did something stupid. And that could have been prevented.

If everyone kissed cop's asses all the time, nobody would know about what pieces of shit they are.

You say record the cops, but cops have shown time and time again that they're more than willing to confiscate phones of bystanders (illegally) if it puts them in a bad light.

So a cop at a traffic stop tells you stop recording him and to hand over your phone. In your world, you'd have to stop recording because it was a police order, or you're just asking to get beat down. So you stop recording, then what? It's your word against his, and you're just a civilian while he's a fine upstanding member of the law enforcement community.

So how exactly do you propose to curtail abuse when complete subservience is demanded?

 

[Londo_Jowo]

I bet most of the billy badasses of the interwebs in this thread have a totally different attitude when they get pulled over by an officer.

 

[Ackmed]

Nobody said kiss a cops ass. Just be respectful, on both sides. But good try twisting things to fit your agenda again. Really show your smarts with constant name calling and ignorance.

 

[cabri]

And all the pig had to do was write a ticket and not generate an attitude.

Why is it with you sycophants that respect only has to go one way? Pigs can be assholes, but citizens need to bow down and pay respect?

She had an attitude from the moment she was stopped.
All she was going to get was a warning.

Was she hiding something and this was her way of being nervous?
that affected the officer

 

[First]

She had an attitude from the moment she was stopped.
All she was going to get was a warning.

Was she hiding something and this was her way of being nervous?
that affected the officer

Derp.

Officers are supposed to have control of themselves. They're trained to deal with unreasonable motorists. If Bland was unreasonable, but nowhere near violent or anything remotely resembling violent, there's zero reason the cop can't swallow his pride and bid her adieu. But nope, he was a hothead just like turds such as yourself. The standard for behavior should be higher for cops. No one should expect a cop to be a tool. Acting like a gentlemen/gentlewomen is fine and dandy, good idea in general. Doesn't really tell you why the cop felt it necessary to do what he did, other than having his pride hurt.

 

[cabri]

And from the officer's POV, she may have been hiding something.

He originally was giving her the benefit of doubt; she threw it away

 

[First]

And from the officer's POV, she may have been hiding something.

He originally was giving her the benefit of doubt; she threw it away

This could be applied to any situation and would give cops carte blanche, hence your entire premise is flawed, and frankly stupid.

 

[cabri]

This could be applied to any situation and would give cops carte blanche, hence your entire premise is flawed, and frankly stupid.

You want to absolve the girl of any responsibility - so be it.

She had plenty of chances to shut her mouth to listen and she refused to.

 

[First]

You want to absolve the girl of any responsibility - so be it.

She had plenty of chances to shut her mouth to listen and she refused to.

Sure, she was 5% responsible, cop was 95% responsible. Get your magnitudes straight.

 

[nixium]

And from the officer's POV, she may have been hiding something.

He originally was giving her the benefit of doubt; she threw it away

Using this, anything a cop can ever do is justified. Where do you draw the line?

 

[nixium]

So one thing I don't understand about some of the self professed "small government" conservatives here. They protest everything the government does, and take pride in their anti-government stance. Yet cops can do anything they want, get away with it, and the victim is blamed. How do you shitbags resolve this contradiction within yourself? Are you truly liberty demanding free citizens, or pathetic cowards ready to buckle at the first sign of authority?

 

[nixium]

I bet most of the billy badasses of the interwebs in this thread have a totally different attitude when they get pulled over by an officer.

Agreed, because the trouble is not worth it. Even if the officers are completely in the wrong, you get killed, or have to go through the trouble of a lawsuit. Who knows what implications that have in your daily life.

The best we can do is express outrage for others who *are* in the situation, and socially ostracize cops. That's happening more and more. From what I remember, back in the day people were friendly to beat cops, they were considered a part of society.

Now, everyone kinda freezes up when cops are around, it's almost like an us vs. them mentality. The stuff you used to see in high crime/low social status neighborhoods is now a reality even in the middle class, at least in the cities I've been in. The more of these reports come out, the more that's going to happen.

Hell I went to a wrestling class the other day and the instructor was asking our backgrounds. One of them said he was a cop, and when it was time for grappling, and we were supposed to partner up, everyone avoided the cop - it was super awkward. Finally the instructor had to pick to be his partner. I don't blame them, you really don't know what sets these people off. It could be a tone of a voice, a word, it seems like they have the most sensitive skins in the world.

And the worst part is you have fake small government conservative shitbags like yourself blaming the victim in cases like this. You can't even depend on other people's support if this happens to you.

Welcome to the US, I guess, same police as the third world you left. If it weren't for how good my career is going, and the fact that hard work and capitalism is rewarded here, I would seriously be considering immigrating somewhere else. Fortunately, after my hard work pays off and I get into the top 10% or so, these fears will be immaterial. Till then it's going to be yessir and no sir and you're-not-invited-to-my-party sir.

 

[Pipeline 1010]

Using this, anything a cop can ever do is justified. Where do you draw the line?

Cops don't even believe there should BE a line, so why do you ask them where it should be drawn? They want carte blanche to do whatever they want for whatever reason they want. That is what they have been arguing in favor of for this entire thread.

The cops and their useful idiots throw out many different reasons and excuses, but the common denominator, the underlying factor in their arguments, is that you always have to obey the cop no matter what they ask you to do, no matter how wrong or illegal it is, and you always have to do it with the utmost respect (no matter whether the cop is being nice or being Mr. Asshole...it doesn't matter) or else a beatdown or jailtime or anything else negative that happens to you is deserved and good and moral.

If you want a case study in the way that sociopaths and narcissists behave, believe, and argue, then read this thread and then read it again.

 

[werepossum]

Derp.

Officers are supposed to have control of themselves. They're trained to deal with unreasonable motorists. If Bland was unreasonable, but nowhere near violent or anything remotely resembling violent, there's zero reason the cop can't swallow his pride and bid her adieu. But nope, he was a hothead just like turds such as yourself. The standard for behavior should be higher for cops. No one should expect a cop to be a tool. Acting like a gentlemen/gentlewomen is fine and dandy, good idea in general. Doesn't really tell you why the cop felt it necessary to do what he did, other than having his pride hurt.

I clicked this to disagree with you, that both have the same standard of behavior, but on reflection you are correct. Cops are entrusted with authority, lethal force, and the presumption of being in the right. With this must come a higher standard of behavior.

One other point though: If I'm crossing the street and a truck runs the light, I don't go running toward it screaming that it must respect my authority and my right to be in that crosswalk; I get out of the way and note his tag number. Same with cops. Honor the threat and keep your cool even if you are seething inside. If there is a problem, file a complaint later.

 

[ivwshane]

Is there anyone here that thinks this cop did nothing to escalate this situation?

When I first heard of this story I was fully expecting to hear someone being loud and defiant and when I actually watched the video I thought she handled herself better than I could have with the way this guy was egging her on. It wasn't until after asking about the cigarette that she lost her cool.

Having said all that, no matter where you fall on who was in the right, the outcome of this incident should have never ended in death, period! No matter if it was murder or suicide.

 

[Moonbeam]

I clicked this to disagree with you, that both have the same standard of behavior, but on reflection you are correct. Cops are entrusted with authority, lethal force, and the presumption of being in the right. With this must come a higher standard of behavior.

One other point though: If I'm crossing the street and a truck runs the light, I don't go running toward it screaming that it must respect my authority and my right to be in that crosswalk; I get out of the way and note his tag number. Same with cops. Honor the threat and keep your cool even if you are seething inside. If there is a problem, file a complaint later.

Wonderful advise lacking only in the recognition that it is factually impossible to follow for millions of people and for you also because you could easily be broken.

 

[HomerJS]

Is there anyone here that thinks this cop did nothing to escalate this situation?

When I first heard of this story I was fully expecting to hear someone being loud and defiant and when I actually watched the video I thought she handled herself better than I could have with the way this guy was egging her on. It wasn't until after asking about the cigarette that she lost her cool.

Having said all that, no matter where you fall on who was in the right, the outcome of this incident should have never ended in death, period! No matter if it was murder or suicide.

Also is there anyone here that thinks this cop did anything to de-escalate the situation?

 

[ivwshane]

Also is there anyone here that thinks this cop did anything to de-escalate the situation?

I think when the cop said he'd "light her up", was when it de-escalated.

/s

 

[davmat787]

Is there anyone here that thinks this cop did nothing to escalate this situation?

When I first heard of this story I was fully expecting to hear someone being loud and defiant and when I actually watched the video I thought she handled herself better than I could have with the way this guy was egging her on. It wasn't until after asking about the cigarette that she lost her cool.

Having said all that, no matter where you fall on who was in the right, the outcome of this incident should have never ended in death, period! No matter if it was murder or suicide.

Silly boy, 99% of municipal police officers probably can't even spell deescalate on the first try.

In a way the police officers too are victims of many different departmental cultural problems that seemingly produce militant behavior and a need for utter domination of civilian interactions.

Again I will point out that giving such authority and power over life with virtually no accountability or threat of prosecution to men and women at such a young age that their life experiences are nil is likely a contributing factor.

A lack of life experience doesn't allow for an officer to fallback on when situations are ambiguous or demand a little empathy and cultural understanding such as the Bland stop.

 

[werepossum]

Wonderful advise lacking only in the recognition that it is factually impossible to follow for millions of people and for you also because you could easily be broken.

That is part and parcel of being a competent adult. If one cannot be an adult and as a result loses one's life, a Darwin Award is in order.