Sandra Bland Dashboard Video Released

[Subyman]

Nothing was confirmed to be illegal. The sheriff's office said procedures weren't followed correctly but that doesn't equate to illegal activity.

PSA: comply with police orders and complain about them later on after you have been sent on your merry way.

Part of the problem with that line of thought is that the cop can keep trying to escalate. You can see it in the video where he nit picks about a damn cigarette. She doesn't have to put that cigarette out. If it wasn't the cig, it could be the headliner sagging or the "tail light" or whatever else. The man was on a power trip and nothing was going to stop him until she was in cuffs.

Its sad to see someone's insecurity and thin skin affect normal civilians like that.

That man needs to be off the streets and obviously can't take the stress of the job without escalating situations. He's a danger to himself and the community. Civilians shouldn't have to tippy toe around Deputy Badass.

 

[xBiffx]

So she should comply with his orders to put out her cigarette and then... complain about that later? Yes, I'm sure the cop shop would be happy to take her complaint and put it in the round file.

Yep. I didn't say complain to that cop. File the complaint with the sheriff's office later on. Quit being daft on purpose.

 

[xBiffx]

Part of the problem with that line of thought is that the cop can keep trying to escalate. You can see it in the video where he nit picks about a damn cigarette. She doesn't have to put that cigarette out. If it wasn't the cig, it could be the headliner sagging or the "tail light" or whatever else. The man was on a power trip and nothing was going to stop him until she was in cuffs.

Its sad to see someone's insecurity and thin skin affect normal civilians like that.

That man needs to be off the streets and obviously can't take the stress of the job without escalating situations. He's a danger to himself and the community. Civilians shouldn't have to tippy toe around Deputy Badass.

Ignoring or even refusing to comply with a cop's order isn't going to win you anything but a free taxi ride to the gray bar hotel. The bolded is the flaw in your reasoning. That was a perfectly legal, reasonable, and simple request. She got uppity about it. That's where she went wrong.

 

[BoberFett]

It's a luxury because you don't have to sign it or acknowledge it's existence. The fact you can sign a ticket and not have to be immediately wrapped into a (admittedly crooked) criminal justice system, that sounds like a pretty big damn luxury to me.

Perhaps if police just made full custody arrests for every violation, people would start to appreciate that "luxury"

Getting a ticket is not a "right". You have no right to demand a ticket.

Go back and read my update. It would be awesome of it went right the criminal justice system with every violation. Tickets are a revenue stream, they're easier to pay than to fight, and they can issue a shitload of them, because 95% of the time, that's all pigs do. Issue traffic citations.

Hauling people to the station would keep the pigs busy and out of trouble. Sounds like a great solution to me. They could do one or two traffic stops a day. I like it!

 

[OutHouse]

This. It was a routine stop until her actions changed that.

yup.

OP is nuts to think the cop actions were illegal. please tell us in what way he acted "illegally"

 

[Brainonska511]

It's a luxury because you don't have to sign it or acknowledge it's existence. The fact you can sign a ticket and not have to be immediately wrapped into a (admittedly crooked) criminal justice system, that sounds like a pretty big damn luxury to me.

Perhaps if police just made full custody arrests for every violation, people would start to appreciate that "luxury"

Getting a ticket is not a "right". You have no right to demand a ticket.

Since when do you have to sign a ticket? When I got a speeding ticket almost 10 years ago, I didn't have to sign anything. The cop gave me the ticket, walked away, and I was free to go.

 

[BoberFett]

Yep. I didn't say complain to that cop. File the complaint with the sheriff's office later on. Quit being daft on purpose.

I'm sure they'll get right on that complaint about being told to stop smoking. Top priority. They'll have deputies working in shifts.

Bullshit. Nothing will happen, and cops will get to keep their bully status, ordering people around for no reason just to get their rocks off.

The only reason anything happens to cops in these cases is because some people (braver than you and mizzou) aren't interested in kissing the cop's ass and entertaining their power trips, and inevitably the shithead cop fucks up and beats them for not "respec'ing their massuh".

 

[OutHouse]

She doesn't have to put that cigarette out.

why not?

 

[xBiffx]

Since when do you have to sign a ticket? When I got a speeding ticket almost 10 years ago, I didn't have to sign anything. The cop gave me the ticket, walked away, and I was free to go.

Some states require a signature acknowledging receipt of the ticket. The officers always tell you that its not an admission of guilt but you have to sign it. Failure to do so can lead to your arrest.

 

[mizzou]

Since when do you have to sign a ticket? When I got a speeding ticket almost 10 years ago, I didn't have to sign anything. The cop gave me the ticket, walked away, and I was free to go.

They may do things differently.

http://www.trafficschools123.com/blog/are-you-required-to-sign-your-traffic-ticket/

"As for refusing to sign a ticket – this is never a good idea. By signing a ticket you are not admitting guilt, you are merely stating that you will appear in court on the date appointed if necessary. If you refuse to sign the ticket then you can (and most probably will) be arrested. See, you signature is saying that you will show up to pay for your ticket. If you refuse to sign – they will take you there personally to represent yourself. The worst part about being hauled in for refusal to sign a ticket is that depending on the county, the day and the judge in question you might have to spend the night in jail – and maybe even the weekend. Refusal to sign a ticket is counted as a misdemeanour and do not think that a police officer will hesitate to take you into custody. Naturally, should this happen then your Miranda rights automatically kick in and you can remain silent and request an attorney, but instead of going through so much trouble, it is probably in your best interests to simply pay for the ticket."

 

[xBiffx]

I'm sure they'll get right on that complaint about being told to stop smoking. Top priority. They'll have deputies working in shifts.

Bullshit. Nothing will happen, and cops will get to keep their bully status, ordering people around for no reason just to get their rocks off.

The only reason anything happens to cops in these cases is because some people (braver than you and mizzou) aren't interested in kissing the cop's ass and entertaining their power trips, and inevitably the shithead cop fucks up and beats them for not "respec'ing their massuh".

Of course they wouldn't. That complaint is completely retarded. Just like not complying is retarded. But we have to talk about it because....conspiracy. If she didn't die later in jail, no one would be even hearing about the traffic stop.

The only reason anything happens to cops in these cases is because some people (braver than you and mizzou) aren't interested in kissing the cop's ass and entertaining their power trips, and inevitably the shithead cop fucks up and beats them for not "respec'ing their massuh".

I have no interest in measuring e-penises.

 

[soundforbjt]

why not?

Is it illegal to smoke alone in your own vehicle in Texas?

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Since when do you have to sign a ticket? When I got a speeding ticket almost 10 years ago, I didn't have to sign anything. The cop gave me the ticket, walked away, and I was free to go.

I had to sign every ticket I've received to acknowledge I understood my rights to either go to court fight the ticket or pay the fine through the mail as well as the court date. I even had to sign warning tickets to acknowledge that any additional infractions within a year period would result in the current ticket becoming active again.

 

[mizzou]

I'm sure they'll get right on that complaint about being told to stop smoking. Top priority. They'll have deputies working in shifts.

Bullshit. Nothing will happen, and cops will get to keep their bully status, ordering people around for no reason just to get their rocks off.

The only reason anything happens to cops in these cases is because some people (braver than you and mizzou) aren't interested in kissing the cop's ass and entertaining their power trips, and inevitably the shithead cop fucks up and beats them for not "respec'ing their massuh".

So to you, a cop has the duty to have complete restraint when dealing with assholes, but the citizen has the duty to completely aggro a cop to the point of seeing if they screw up enough to violate your rights in their rage? Those points of views are nothing different then people who let cops run rampant on people's rights. Just a different side of the mirror. If you wore a uniform, I'm sure you would be just like these people ordering people to snuff their cigarettes out just because you can...maybe even see if they get angry enough they will assault you.

How about everyone has the duty and expectation to exercise restraint?

Time for me to exit this thread, usually around page 4 it turns into the same responses as the last news article.

 

[xBiffx]

Is it illegal to smoke alone in your own vehicle in Texas?

No. Stupid question.

I'll extrapolate to save some time with the rebuttal. Since when does a cop giving an order depend on illegal activity. Can a cop not signal you to use a different lane? Is using a different lane illegal?

 

[soundforbjt]

No. Stupid question.

I'll extrapolate to save some time with the rebuttal. Since when does a cop giving an order depend on illegal activity. Can a cop not signal you to use a different lane? Is using a different lane illegal?

In some cases, yes.

edit: correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't the department admitted the officer did not follow procedure? Why is there no comments from the police supporters about that? Instead, blame the victim is the standard.

 

[Moonbeam]

So to you, a cop has the duty to have complete restraint when dealing with assholes, but the citizen has the duty to completely aggro a cop to the point of seeing if they screw up enough to violate your rights in their rage? Those points of views are nothing different then people who let cops run rampant on people's rights. Just a different side of the mirror. If you wore a uniform, I'm sure you would be just like these people ordering people to snuff their cigarettes out just because you can...maybe even see if they get angry enough they will assault you.

How about everyone has the duty and expectation to exercise restraint?

Time for me to exit this thread, usually around page 4 it turns into the same responses as the last news article.

Yes, please leave the thread. Your intellectual acuity is more than us mere mortals can bear. The folk here are beneath your dignity.

 

[cabri]

I find the whole Sandra Bland case sad and strange, and I am gratified the DoJ is investigating it. I wish she had never been arrested in the first place. She and the officer each could have handled this situation better. She could have simply politely cooperated, and he could have given her more room to express herself without escalating the situation.

Similar to the issue in Michigan where the kid flashed his lights.
Attitude escalated the situation and now both people are dead as a result.

People forget that an attitude can get you in trouble. The officer on the initial interaction is usually willing to cut slack if it was nothing serious.
Escalating by attitude starts to make the LEO nervous - they have no idea why the attitude exists - why are they nervous?

 

[soundforbjt]

So to you, a cop has the duty to have complete restraint when dealing with assholes, but the citizen has the duty to completely aggro a cop to the point of seeing if they screw up enough to violate your rights in their rage? Those points of views are nothing different then people who let cops run rampant on people's rights. Just a different side of the mirror. If you wore a uniform, I'm sure you would be just like these people ordering people to snuff their cigarettes out just because you can...maybe even see if they get angry enough they will assault you.

How about everyone has the duty and expectation to exercise restraint?

Time for me to exit this thread, usually around page 4 it turns into the same responses as the last news article.

One is paid and supposedly trained just for that reason, the other is not. If he can't do his job professionally, he should seek other employment where he won't have to deal with the public.

 

[HomerJS]

She apparently had expressed criticism of police conduct in relation to blacks before this incident, which gives a clue as to the origin of her attitude. Here again we have the media's sensationalism of certain cases bleeding over to create more such cases for the media to sell. She clearly had an attitude going in to this encounter, and it seems likely the recent spate of controversial cases is what informed her attitude. The media is making bank $$ off of stoking racial tensions. They'd stoke a nuclear war if it meant higher ratings.

Did it occur to you her attiutide was based on personal experience? This blame the media shit gets old.

She admitted being annoyed because cop followed her until she made a lane change w/o signaling. Cop made no attempt to de-escalate in fact aggravated her more.

 

[cabri]

Is it illegal to smoke alone in your own vehicle in Texas?

Not illegal, but if the smoke is used for covering up the order of something that is illegal (weed, alcohol), you are then suspected of interfering by smoking.

 

[JSt0rm]

Ignoring or even refusing to comply with a cop's order isn't going to win you anything but a free taxi ride to the gray bar hotel. The bolded is the flaw in your reasoning. That was a perfectly legal, reasonable, and simple request. She got uppity about it. That's where she went wrong.

Is telling someone to put out their cig a lawful order? (serious question)

 

[soundforbjt]

Not illegal, but if the smoke is used for covering up the order of something that is illegal (weed, alcohol), you are then suspected of interfering by smoking.

Did the officer indicate to her at any time that he thought/suspected she was impaired by alcohol or weed?

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Due to the fact that an independent autopsy has been performed 2 days ago and nothing is being reported chances are high that they found the exact same thing as the Houston ME found, it was suicide.

The jail will receive new procedures/training over the next few weeks to correct any issues stemming from this case.

The Texas trooper will receive remedial training on the state's protocol when dealing with people during traffic stops and will return normal duty in a few weeks.

In the same amount of time the social media blitz will fade away and become non-existent.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

One is paid and supposedly trained just for that reason, the other is not. If he can't do his job professionally, he should seek other employment where he won't have to deal with the public.

I agree with this, but I really take issue with the posters in this thread (not you) who are turning this into a "pigs vs. freedom" situation.

The officer should have simply given Bland the warning and sent her on her way, whether or not she was being obnoxious, but her behavior seems totally irrational to me. I see no point in being gratuitously rude to police, particularly where they are giving me a warning rather than citing me. I absolutely agree that the officer had a professional duty to be the bigger person and move on, but the kind of attitude she exhibited will never enhance any interaction with anyone, police or otherwise. I would rather just move on with my day than argue with a police officer over nothing. You do get the sense she was spoiling for a fight.