So lets do it your way. In what world does it makes sense to have police where you can ignore them whenever you want for whatever reason you want to give. What is the point of police if they have no authority to do their job. Where ignoring them for any reason is OK.
She pulled the car over, she gave the officer her documents, and she didn't touch him until he opened her door and forced her out of the car. She certainly showed him attitude, but to suggest she was ignoring him and 'doing whatever she wanted' is absolutely vile.
Uh boy.
Seems either party might've diffused this by just taking a step back. The lady was determined to fight and the cop was too.
Speaking for myself, I'd have just taken the ticket and left.
Then it's the cop's fault. After all, she couldn't exactly take a step back. :whiste:
I see our resident Cop apologist is on the case....In a way, she also confronted him like a power tripping asshole.
Her exit of society was nothing but her own choice, how could you blame anyone else but her?
Why not blame the person who gave her that sour attitude before the cop showed up? Why not blame the mental health society for not effectively treating people with power tripping personality disorders? Why not blame the US government for having laws to enforce, thus creating these confrontational meetings between government officials and citizens?
How about we just lay the blame where it is, with the person who really has the only choice. The person themselves.
Sure she could. She could've just kept her mouth shut. The cop, on the other hand, might've just said "This isn't worth enflaming the US in another race war. Just issue the damned ticket and leave."
Never would have happened that way!1 It6 is obvious the cop had another agenda......Sure she could. She could've just kept her mouth shut. The cop, on the other hand, might've just said "This isn't worth enflaming the US in another race war. Just issue the damned ticket and leave."
Vidfeo camera in tow.....I would have done what the lady did...Uh boy.
Seems either party might've diffused this by just taking a step back. The lady was determined to fight and the cop was too.
Speaking for myself, I'd have just taken the ticket and left.
I find the whole Sandra Bland case sad and strange, and I am gratified the DoJ is investigating it. I wish she had never been arrested in the first place. She and the officer each could have handled this situation better. She could have simply politely cooperated, and he could have given her more room to express herself without escalating the situation.
So lets do it your way. In what world does it makes sense to have police where you can ignore them whenever you want for whatever reason you want to give. What is the point of police if they have no authority to do their job. Where ignoring them for any reason is OK.
As to the second paragraph of your post, I don't know what you're talking about. The principal reason black people are disproportionally likely to have encounters with law enforcement is that black people as a whole (particularly young black men) are overwhelmingly likelier than any other group to commit serious, and particularly violent crimes. It is an unfortunate situation whose root causes are complicated, but is also the reality that police have to confront on a daily basis. I don't see that as an "injustice perpetrated on a race of people by law enforcement." I don't know precisely what laws you are alluding to as being intended to "keep black people down" - can you identify some?
I find your "black lives don't matter" rhetoric silly and obstructive of real discussion. Black lives absolutely matter, just as much as anyone else's. That doesn't mean black people can do no wrong, and have no culpability in their interactions with police, however.
...supposedly committed suicide in Texas jail because, you know, she had nothing to live except perhaps her new job at the college which was her alma mater, which had brought her back to Texas.
In general, when people are falsely charged, regardless of who they are, their ability to fight the charges depends largely on the quality of the defense they receive. I have no idea whether black people are disproportionately likely to be intentionally falsely charged, but I would certainly agree that in general black people are less well-equipped to defend themselves if and when this occurs, since in general black people have fewer financial resources than the public as a whole.
The difference is that he was the supposed "professional" in the situation.
Aren't black folk arrested and jailed for drugs far more often than white folk even though studies show that white folk use drugs just as much if not more than black folk? I also recall reading that black folk get longer sentences for drug offenses than white folk do.
If you don't mind could you give an average or a range of how much said quality defense costs?
So is it traffic laws, or laws against kicking a cop, or just laws in general that are "aimed at keeping black people down"?It would be faster for us as a society to change the police behavior to better align with peoples rights then to try and change a bunch of people who aren't on the government payroll. This cop said she kicked him. He falsely gave her a felony charge because she had attitude and was uppity? Black lives dont matter.
Maybe all black people need to refuse every order by a cop. Can you imagine how fast shit would change if 20% of the population said no to the unjust stops? Can you imagine if the juries in this country began to nullify laws aimed at keeping black people down? On a long enough timeline that will happen. Because more and more people are waking up to the injustice perpetrated on a race of people by law enforcement.
Well . . . In principle I agree completely. In practice . . . Well, I can see the officer recognizing that some black people are completely unreasonable about cops, accepting that there is some historic justification for this unreasonable belief, and therefore being exceptionally polite around black people just in case these particular people happen to be among those completely unreasonable about cops. It's preferential treatment, sure, but it's preferential treatment based on recognition of past injustices that occasionally still occur. That would also be an excellent way to eradicate this belief, whereas treating her just as he would a white person is just going to perpetuate the belief. Since this belief also causes cops a lot of grief, to treat black people especially well would also be serving in his own best interests long term, just as treating the cop with respect would have been in her own best interests. And it's not as though there is some karmic balance the cop has to maintain, so that if he treats black people especially well then he must then abuse Mexicans or whites or Hawaiians. To the contrary, if the cop walked on eggshells around black people I suspect he'd find they were more reasonable around him, and thus his job would be a lot less stressful and a lot more satisfying.They should not have to walk on egg shells.
Doing so, is then acknowledging that interaction with a black person is to be different than a white. And that color matters.
I thought that the civil rights movement was to prove that all are created equal; not some more than most.
What you are asking is the a black person is not to be considered the same as a person of a different color than black. Preferential treatment.
Which is it; you can not have it both ways.
Amen, brother. Far too many people are hypersensitive about being "disrespected" when on balance, a stranger's respect or lack of it really affects one's life only to the degree one lets it.Uh boy.
Seems either party might've diffused this by just taking a step back. The lady was determined to fight and the cop was too.
Speaking for myself, I'd have just taken the ticket and left.
I believe I've heard it all now. Quanell X was on the local news and said the reason they know Sandra Bland was murdered is that black women don't commit suicide.
I will say that public defenders tend to be skilled and experienced, so poor people don't necessarily suffer by virtue of not being able to afford counsel. That said, in many places PDs are overworked, and not given adequate resources, so other things being equal private counsel is preferable.
In a traffic stop, is it legal for an officer to order a driver to put out a cigarette and exit the car?
Ms. Bland has a right to smoke in her car, but Trooper Encinia could argue that the cigarette was interfering with legitimate police business. Since he had already processed the papers, however, I dont see a good reason, said Robert Weisberg, a criminal procedure expert and law professor at Stanford University.
ooops. lawsuits incoming bigtime.
Presumably the reason she was charged with kicking the officer is that . . . wait for it . . . she kicked the officer. Unless you have evidence that that she didn't, you don't have any basis for your accusation that Bland was "falsely" charged.
As to the second paragraph of your post, I don't know what you're talking about. The principal reason black people are disproportionally likely to have encounters with law enforcement is that black people as a whole (particularly young black men) are overwhelmingly likelier than any other group to commit serious, and particularly violent crimes. It is an unfortunate situation whose root causes are complicated, but is also the reality that police have to confront on a daily basis. I don't see that as an "injustice perpetrated on a race of people by law enforcement." I don't know precisely what laws you are alluding to as being intended to "keep black people down" - can you identify some?
I find your "black lives don't matter" rhetoric silly and obstructive of real discussion. Black lives absolutely matter, just as much as anyone else's. That doesn't mean black people can do no wrong, and have no culpability in their interactions with police, however.