If the transistor is energized, it will consume power. Although that consumption will change depending on how heavily it is being used.
Does a higher DP/SP ratio cost only transistors or also power consumption when DP is not in use? Aside from that, if they bring the voltage down by 0.1V or so, they could save 15-20% power already.
Just read some of the posts in this thread and I'd like to share my opinon early:
I'll draw the line at $600 (since prior to HD 4870 I was use to dropping $400-600 for GPUs) but anything above that and AMD has lost me as a customer.
AMD cannot charge as much as nVidia does for the same performance so if they cant sell a card that competes with the 780 for less then 500 they shpuldnt try and compete with it. They could try and up there performace per mm so they can charge more for a cheaper die then they do now however.
AMD cannot charge as much as nVidia does for the same performance so if they cant sell a card that competes with the 780 for less then 500 they shpuldnt try and compete with it. They could try and up there performace per mm so they can charge more for a cheaper die then they do now however.
Are you going to pay $650 to $1000 for nVidia instead?
What would make you think that? Because I won't buy one vendor's product above $600 some how that equates I'd buy another vendor's?
That's the dumbest question someone's asked me on these forums.
So, where are you going to take your business?
Im sorry if this has already been discussed, but what happened to 8000?
I can sit on my hands for another generation. Do I have to buy a Radeon HD 9K card? I don't think.
I didn't own a HD 6K series, they lost my business then too.
EDIT: And even if I went Nvidia for that generation, what makes you think I'd buy one of their GPUs at >$600? Unless you're implying, Nvidia won't have <$600 cards.
You said that AMD would lose you as a customer. You didn't say you would sit out that generation. As far as buying a lower end unit, you never stated that as an option either. I'm not implying anything, except that nVidia isn't as good of a value as you are looking for so, you'd be left with nothing.
I wish everyone would sit pat to reduce prices. Unfortunately, that's not how it goes. People bitch but then line up and pay the price. That leaves very little options for those who don't want to go along.
Here's a couple of simple ideas.
People complain about the price of going to the movies. They complain about the price of popcorn and soda at the movies. The next big blockbuster release nobody goes to the movies the first weekend and lets it be known it's because it's too expensive. When they do go to the movies (say on Monday) they don't visit the concession stand. The movie companies and the theaters would lose millions. Prices would come down overnight.
New car prices are too high. Nobody buys a new car in September, again with it known as being out of protest. By October prices will come down.
Let there be a new video card release and have the stocks sit at the etailers for a week instead of being sold out 2 hours after release, and prices will come down.
People will do none of these things though. So, if nVidia charges $650-$1000 AMD is dumb, and robbing their shareholders, to not go along.
Wow you made a lot of assumptions based one me stating if AMD prices their 9970 >$600, they lost me as a customer...check this out:
Me: How much is the 9970?
AMD Rep: $650
Me: Ouch, you lost me as a customer.
Or does this work better for you
Me: Ouch, you lost that sale to me. (Which also implies "you lost me a customer".)
No where did I say if the card dropped under $600 they wouldn't regain me as a customer. In fact, I'd buy it the moment it dropped under $600. Above that, no sale.
EDIT: Since I'm thinking about my original post, read it again - there is a clear statement about what AMD would have to do to regain me a customer.
>$600 - no sale
<$600 - sale
I didn't mention any other card because I'd specifically want the top tier single GPU ATI/AMD card as I've been buying so for over the last decade.
What are you talking about? I bought my first Radeon HD 7970 at the MSRP of $550. Clearly I have no issue paying money for something I find value in, however, I will not go along with the AMD/Nvidia thinking they can charge, in my opinion, excessively for their products.
As a customer, I draw a line.
What is all this gibber for? Considering my statement was a simple opinion of my personal preference for GPU prices, you are sure trying hard to imply something.
I'm not a shareholder, I don't give a flying-squirrel what they have to gain, nor AMD as a corporation. I'm a customer and I set my budget. You seem to have some kind of issue with this, perhaps you're a shareholder and you have a financial responsibility to tell me I'm wrong.
Whatever your reasoning, it makes no sense, you are arguing against my opinion on where a GPU price should be for my buying habits and beyond that - I have no idea why you're even going to such lengths.
Wow you made a lot of assumptions based one me stating if AMD prices their 9970 >$600, they lost me as a customer...check this out:
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I'm not a shareholder, I don't give a flying-squirrel what they have to gain, nor AMD as a corporation. I'm a customer and I set my budget. You seem to have some kind of issue with this, perhaps you're a shareholder and you have a financial responsibility to tell me I'm wrong.
Whatever your reasoning, it makes no sense, you are arguing against my opinion on where a GPU price should be for my buying habits and beyond that - I have no idea why you're even going to such lengths.
oh gosh can you all grow up and get to the main topic ? performance estimates would be amazing right now . and this is ot but what ever happened to the memory rewrite ?
Oh, how dramatic you are. Have a nice day.
I hope it costs $601 and is the second coming of jesus, and your computer becomes an outdated potato.
ATi/AMD driver promises are always just that, promises.
They hardly ever deliver in a timely fashion.
Feeling this way since HD 7990 Launched what, in April? And I'm still waiting for the famed CFX driver fix. Thank god I'm not staring looking for microstutter...I know it's there. Lurking.
We ever going to see the memory re-write, too?
Wake up AMD!
If the transistor is energized, it will consume power. Although that consumption will change depending on how heavily it is being used.
ATi/AMD driver promises are always just that, promises.
They hardly ever deliver in a timely fashion.
Yeah..better they rush out an untested "blow em up " driver like the other company fawned over here...