When has a single next generation full node shrink AMD/ATI GPU provide 120% of the performance of previous gen card? Not since 8500 --> 9700Pro. You'll be waiting until 14nm generation I think if you want 120% of the performance of 7970s in CF for $500, especially since yours are overclocked too.
Exactly my point. If they want to charge $1,000 the only way I'd even consider that price for purchasing is if it would have to deliver better performance than two cards. Actually, I'd even throw them a bone, 90-110% of two cards.
Translation: not gonna happen.
the 7970 did it with the 6990 and better when it was oc'ed .... of course that was with a node shrink .... lol
And it still cost less! At this rate, 9970 won't be faster than 7990 but might cost in the same ball park (the 7990 shouldn't even have cost $1,000 either!)
Damn you rich bastards opening up your wallets and allowing $1,000 single GPU cards to exist! :awe:
Pull the trigger? dont you think you should wait to see the card in action? i mean if and when it comes out? you dont know where the performance of this card will sit....... or how much it will cost....... or when its coming out. Not to even bring up, what the market will look like then.
But yeah.........
So basically the same situation that Nvidia has with the 690 and Titan currently.
The irony of the back and forward between you and 3D is if you go back to post #109 you are both saying the same thing more or less.
Current GPU pricing is at unprecedented levels and is being fuelled by demand despite the rather poor returns in perf/$ for the halo parts. But given the current dynamic in the GPU industry I can't see the current pricing structures changing. That is unless the 9970 is laden with pixie dust and Nvidia doesn't have a response in the immediate future. Unfortunately I can't see that happening.
And it still cost less! At this rate, 9970 won't be faster than 7990 but might cost in the same ball park (the 7990 shouldn't even have cost $1,000 either!)
Where is this $1,000 price estimate coming from? After-market 780s are faster than the Titan and cost $660-670. AMD's card would need to beat the Titan if they intend to price it above $650. It's going to be late compared to 780s so it should either be faster than the Titan or cost less than $650.
Well ideally I would wait until the official announcement of the specs and price.
Right now the situation looks like this: If it has 2560/2688 shaders and Titan-like performance for 400-550, I'll get it. .
expecting AMD to price a product which has Titan like performance at anything below USD 550 is highly unrealistic. AMD is not stupid to do that. The realistic price for AMD HD 9970 even if it falls in between GTX 780 and Titan performance is USD 550 - 600. AMD will throw in their BF4 game bundle to sweeten the deal. that in itself would be a killer deal.
AMD is not going to kill margins if they have a competitive product and rightly so. Any well run businesss needs to extract the best possible price for its products in the competitive marketplace. :thumbsup:
I think it would really depend on when Maxwell comes out. If it comes out early 2014, I think AMD wouldn't price it at like 600+ cause they would have such a small window to dominate the market, before needing to compete with both 7xx series and 8xx series.
However if Maxwell doesn't come out in a while then I think AMD could convince people that the 9970 is more worth it than the Titan and price it lower but still really high and get away with it
maxwell is not releasing before june/july 2014. its clear that Nvidia would not have bothered with a GTX 700 series refresh if the GM104 GTX 880 was going to launch in Jan 2014.
TSMC talked of 20nm volume production in q2 2014 in q1 2013 earnings call. so products on 20nm would release in late q2 2014.
That could be a reason why the 660 and below are apparently not seeing any updates through at least most of the rest of this year.And we still don't know if initial Maxwell parts are really 20nm. Semiaccurate claimed it would be 28nm at first which I could believe. Maybe not for GM104, but for the smaller GPUs -> mobile. Nvidia surely wants to keep their ~70% marketshare in notebooks.
There is no 28nm Maxwell. Everything will be on 20nm.
That could be a reason why the 660 and below are apparently not seeing any updates through at least most of the rest of this year.
So i don't expect any new 28nm chips from any vendor anymore.
nVidia stopped it after NV30. They used smaller cores for the lastest process technology: NV44 (110nm), G71 (90nm), G92 (65nm), G92b (55nm), GT21x (40nm) and GK107/GK104 (28nm).
It makes no sense to use an outdated process for smaller chips if they used them to test the new one in the past...
So i don't expect any new 28nm chips from any vendor anymore.
G92 old vs. GT200.
If you took it as me calling you, your person, stupid or dumb, my apologies. That was not my intent.
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I have no intentions to support either company with their, in my opinion, ridiculous pricing schemes. If AMD follows through, I will be sad, and I do understand these are rumors/speculation and more so that AMD is a faceless corporation and my broken heart would mean nothing to them.
My upgrade cycle is right around the corner, a pair of 9970s would be nice, but if that were to cost 1:0.5 to the rest of my computer - oh hell no! For me to even fathom this 1x9970 must equal 120% of CFX 7970 which if 28nm, not likely, but perhaps if they delay it for 20nm. Then I'd have to revisit my pricing limits.