SATA vs. IDE

[Amaroque]

SATA will be better then PATA when HDD's get faster. Rite now, it's a bit of future proofing, along with the convenience of the smaller cables (no master/slave issues either). I've tried the exact same drives in this computer. One being SATA, and the other being PATA. They come out identical in the benchmarks. The point is that no single HDD can saturate the bus on either interface rite now.

If you're building a new machine, go with SATA, even if it's only for convenience at this point in time.

 

[akugami]

SATA vs PATA. My take is that SATA is most likely more efficient than PATA and will account for a slight bump in performance of the same HD during testing but it will translate to imperceptible performance improvements when doing real life testing. In other words, during actual testing of apps that people use in real life rather than synthetic benchmarks.

A lot of the users who claim that the shiny new SATA drives they bought with their new computer system is faster than the old PATA HD they had in their three year old computer. Well, considering that even though it's tiny improvements, each successive generation of HD's do improve upon the previous I would hope that your new HD's are faster than your old ones. A truer test would be getting a brand spanking new HD from the same company in both of it's SATA and PATA versions. I would bet there is almost no difference in real life testing.

 

[quakefiend420]

if you game a lot...get a raptor for your games...it WILL make a difference...then get a cheaper ide or sata drive for your data...make sure to load the os on the raptor so you get the added speed benefits there as well

 

[RanDum72]

an SATA setup is faster than regular ATA but it depends on the setup. SATA really shows up its speed when the controller is on the southbridge (or integrated into the chipset) and not attached to the PCI bus. As the harddrives get faster (10k RPM or 16mb cache and RAID 0 setups), the chipset integrated SATA controllers is not bogged compared to PCI controllers where it has to share bandwidth with LAN cards, sound cards, etc... The tiny SATA cables are just another plus.

 

[Doctorweir]

Just went from a PATA-133 160G Samsung spinpoint to some sweet 2x80G Hitachi SATA-II drives in RAID0.
I think the speed increase does not come from technology...as said before, drives stopped saturating the bus at PATA-66 days, but RAID0 with this drives really rocks...
Before Sandra gave me 53 MB/sec. with the single drive and now 93 MB/sec. with the RAID setup. And you really notice that during boot, load-intensive stuff like HL2, FarCry, etc...this just rocks...
Sidenote: If you look into the new Hitachi SATA-II drives, don't forget to unlock 'em with the IBM tools, as they come shipped in SATA-I mode...

 

[Googer]

Go PATA, I will explain later after I get some sleep.

 

[helo7050]

Hello, all. . finally decided to start joing in after being an outside watcher..

I would get SATA just because new motherboards are just becoming standard with the SATA interface and it is suppose to be faster but with the pricing almost neck and neck i see why not get it.

 

[imported_Phil]

Originally posted by: compusaguy
I don't know what you all are talking about, but the difference between two computers I have with identical specs is huge!

The one with an IDE drive is MUCH slower than the one with SATA. The SATA is like 3-4 times faster in some applications.

Huge shens.

 

[imported_Mitchell]

"There is no performance difference between SATA and IDE. If there is a performance difference it has nothing to do with SATA or IDE."

Of course there is, one has a faster transfer rate. 150 MB/Sec is faster then 133 MB/Sec.

 

[dragonballgtz]

the only good thing about SATA now are tiny cabels and about 5-10% increase in performance depending on what you are doing.

Originally posted by: Mitchell
"There is no performance difference between SATA and IDE. If there is a performance difference it has nothing to do with SATA or IDE."

Of course there is, one has a faster transfer rate. 150 MB/Sec is faster then 133 MB/Sec.

that is how much they will transfer if they are going full force. You won't see that transfer most of the time.

 

[Googer]

Tomshardware.com did a compairison to SATA to PATA when the Hitachi 7k250 came out, i cannot find the article but the P-ATA version was silightly faster than the SATA version. There is very little differance between the two. Interface is not the only deciding factor. If both drives are Identical except for how it connects to the pc then SATA makes no differance.

 

[Googer]

Although it's not the article i am refering to you can use the data on the SATA version of 7k250 and compaire it to the PATA version of the same drive in the second article
http://www.tomshardware.com/storage/200311141/index.html

http://www.tomshardware.com/storage/200...chi_deskstar-03.html#benchmark_results


The results are very close to each other. Just because it says 150MB/s does not mean it can go that fast. Most moden drives are just begining to break the ATA66 barrier no less ATA 100 or 133. ATA still has a lot of life left in it, but SATA is just a nice measure that the interface does not become the bottleneck for future drives. That is why it is here and is not any type of performance boost for current HDD's. We are at least 5years away from bottlenecking ATA 133.

 

[lozina]

So should I stick with my 15k rpm scsi drive when I upgrade my processor & mobo?

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: lozina
So should I stick with my 15k rpm scsi drive when I upgrade my processor & mobo?

It all depends on how old the drive is. Generaly speaking yes I would keep it.
When you get a new motherboard make sure it has an x4 PCI-e slot. DFI and MSI currently make one
http://www.lsilogic.com/products/megaraid/megaraid_320_2e.html

 

[lozina]

Originally posted by: Googer

Originally posted by: lozina
So should I stick with my 15k rpm scsi drive when I upgrade my processor & mobo?

It all depends on how old the drive is. Generaly speaking yes I would keep it.
When you get a new motherboard make sure it has an x4 PCI-e slot DFI and MSI currently make one
http://www.lsilogic.com/products/megaraid/megaraid_320_2e.html

It's kinda old now: the seagate cheetah x15 36Gb Ultra160 model.

 

[Googer]

I would go ahead and keep it, it's still faster than most IDE drives avalable to day. It's not as old as i might have been thinking.

 

[lozina]

Originally posted by: Googer
I would go ahead and keep it, it's still faster than most IDE drives avalable to day. It's not as old as i might have been thinking.

cool, i'll skip hard drives now as i spec out my upgrades thanks for the tips

 

[Googer]

http://www.tomshardware.com/storage/200...09.html#the_bottom_line_theres_no_rush

 

[Sunner]

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: Googer

Originally posted by: lozina
So should I stick with my 15k rpm scsi drive when I upgrade my processor & mobo?

It all depends on how old the drive is. Generaly speaking yes I would keep it.
When you get a new motherboard make sure it has an x4 PCI-e slot DFI and MSI currently make one
http://www.lsilogic.com/products/megaraid/megaraid_320_2e.html

It's kinda old now: the seagate cheetah x15 36Gb Ultra160 model.

Hell yes, that's a 36LP drive, those things are still screamers.

 

[helo7050]

Originally posted by: lozina
So should I stick with my 15k rpm scsi drive when I upgrade my processor & mobo?

SCSI 15k is the fastest SCSI HD on the market. . why would you want to replace it??

 

[Sunner]

Originally posted by: helo7050

Originally posted by: lozina
So should I stick with my 15k rpm scsi drive when I upgrade my processor & mobo?

SCSI 15k is the fastest SCSI HD on the market. . why would you want to replace it??

There are 15K drives and there are 15K drives, the original X15 isn't the speed demon it once was.
Take an old first gen 10K Cheetah, once they were unmatched in speed, now any IDE drive out there will beat it for most anything.

 

[happyhelper]

who cares about cables, it's that sweet purr of the higher RPM SATA drives that I dig

 

[Amaroque]

Originally posted by: happyhelper
who cares about cables, it's that sweet purr of the higher RPM SATA drives that I dig

FYI The drive will sound exactly the same if it's SATA, or PATA. Having the SATA interface does not mean you have higher RPM's. :roll:

 

[Ike0069]

Originally posted by: Amaroque

Originally posted by: happyhelper
who cares about cables, it's that sweet purr of the higher RPM SATA drives that I dig

FYI The drive will sound exactly the same if it's SATA, or PATA. Having the SATA interface does not mean you have higher RPM's. :roll:

Yea, not all SATA drives are 10,000 RPM Raptors.

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: Sunner

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: Googer

Originally posted by: lozina
So should I stick with my 15k rpm scsi drive when I upgrade my processor & mobo?

It all depends on how old the drive is. Generaly speaking yes I would keep it.
When you get a new motherboard make sure it has an x4 PCI-e slot DFI and MSI currently make one
http://www.lsilogic.com/products/megaraid/megaraid_320_2e.html

It's kinda old now: the seagate cheetah x15 36Gb Ultra160 model.

Hell yes, that's a 36LP drive, those things are still screamers.

Don't ditch it, get another one to augment it. u320 will work ok on a 160 bus