SB or IB netbooks

Zap

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If you specifically looked for "netbook" while shopping, then you're only going to get what you've already found. You need to look for "thin and light" notebooks with 11.6" screens.

I have a Samsung Series 3 that has an 11.6" matte screen, weighs around 2.9 pounds and has a Sandy Bridge Core i3 like this one (though I purchased it new). Three things about it: The first is that it uses a 7mm thick 2.5" drive, so keep that in mind when shopping for an SSD if you go that route. The other is that because Samsung made it so small and light weight, the battery is also small and thus battery life suffers, lasting maybe 3-4 hours at best and probably much shorter if you are stressing it. There are higher capacity batteries that you can buy for it, but the battery will end up sticking out the bottom rear and of course adding weight. The third is that in keeping it so small, Samsung had to ditch the second SODIMM slot so the notebook only runs in single channel memory mode.

Here is a 3.5 pound HP Sandy Bridge 11.6" notebook

Really cheap Dell, but it uses an older Clarkdale Core i3, not Sandy Bridge
 

rabbitz

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If it has a full blown SB or IB cpu it's not really in the netbook classification anymore, and it's going to be more expensive. If your just looking for size a lot of the ultrabooks are 13".

this guy looks priced still within netbook territory.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16834158204

Exactly... instead of asking for arbitrary marketing terms, why not tell us what you REALLY want? Price? Size? Battery life? Portability? Form factor? Display size? etc...
 

weez82

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Thank you zap for the informatinal post. It was very helpful. As for the rest of you, sorry for posting a simple question. I wasnt aware the laptops where now as small as netbooks. And rabbitz, I was very clear in my post as to what I wanted. If you can't help gtfo
 

rabbitz

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Thank you zap for the informatinal post. It was very helpful. As for the rest of you, sorry for posting a simple question. I wasnt aware the laptops where now as small as netbooks. And rabbitz, I was very clear in my post as to what I wanted. If you can't help gtfo

Uh yea you mention size but then place an emphasis on "netbook" by repeating it 4 times. Last time I checked, a netbook is small and CHEAP.

Was I not helping by listing a bunch of well-defined properties of a laptop that can actually be compared? Look at what you were asking... any "netbook" that uses "SB or IB". Besides the fact that there is no formal definition of a netbook, you then ask if there will be on that uses a PROCESSOR ARCHITECTURE!

Now, don't get me wrong... obviously it is understood that you meant a sandy bridge or ivy bridge processor but that isn't the point. First of all, the sb/ib family of processors covers a HUGE range from slower single core budget processors to ridiculously overpowered and overpriced hex-core beasts. To say you want a sb/ib processor is pretty much one step above saying you want a computer 'with intel'... it doesn't MEAN anything. I'm sorry that I actually want to help people get a laptop that is best suited for their situation, and not merely provide confirmation for what an asker already wants or throw out a few google search results.

Back to the netbook term you keep throwing around; even though it is a rather arbitrary definition, it is still generally understood that netbooks are, in the grand scale of laptops, on the lower end in terms of size, power, weight, screen resolution and, most importantly, COST. In my opinion, the one defining characteristic of a netbook is sacrificing a lot of usability in exchange for the absolutely lowest cost possible. A few years ago, this category of laptops would also fill the duty of a cheaper, consumption-focused device but that has been mostly replaced by tablets.

Anyway I'm starting to go a bit off topic but serpretesky said it best: "If it has a full blown SB or IB cpu it's not really in the netbook classification anymore". Asking for "SB or IB netbooks" is like asking for a pencil that uses ink. If you think you know better then that's fine, but don't pretend that I'm not trying to help just because you don't understand what I posted.
 

weez82

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No what you're doing is not helpful. It's more of an attack. If you want to see what a helpful post looks like refer to zaps post. He provided useful info and did so in a respectful maner. You on the other hand are disrespectful. Instead of posting a useful post you post a long winded post designed to attack. So gtfo
 

paperwastage

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um... rabbitz's first post listed specific stuff that you might be looking for (screen size, features etc).... netbooks force you to compromise b/w those features... how is that attacking?

technically, the Macbook air fits your description of netbook(size and SB processor).... except for price... so if you value the form factor over price, that's your netbook

if you want a full machine (more ports than the MBA) but shrunk down into a "netbook" size, then the x220 looks good (12.5" form, but fully featured under 3.5 pounds)

rabbitz was trying to get more info on what you value more...

I'm on rabbitz side on this.....
 
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weez82

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um... rabbitz's first post listed specific stuff that you might be looking for (screen size, features etc).... netbooks force you to compromise b/w those features... how is that attacking?

technically, the Macbook air fits your description of netbook(size and SB processor).... except for price... so if you value the form factor over price, that's your netbook

if you want a full machine (more ports than the MBA) but shrunk down into a "netbook" size, then the x220 looks good (12.5" form, but fully featured under 3.5 pounds)

rabbitz was trying to get more info on what you value more...

I'm on rabbitz side on this.....

I get the need to ask for more info but it helps to do so in a respectful maner. He failed. Anyways zap already covered what I needed. I now know that laptops can be small and inexpensive. Last time I looked at laptops this wasn't the case. That's why I asked about netbooks. And I figured that atom being out dated that sb or ib would replace it at some point.
 

Zap

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You guys can stop bickering now. Just sayin'. :sneaky:

While small/light/cheap notebooks with Core i3 exist, they're rare beasts and as shown by my links the cheapest ones are refurbs or use the older CPUs and not even Sandy Bridge. As pointed out with the Macbook Air example, price can easily hit 4 digits. I believe Samsung also makes (or used to, they've discontinued some of them already) a Series 9 notebook with an 11.6" screen that was expensive but looked/felt/performed very high end.

BTW Atoms are not outdated. They are constantly being improved. Performance remains low, because the design goals are probably to have it use little power and to not encroach upon performance of more expensive Intel CPUs.

Here's another suggestion. How about a Dell Vostro V131? I use one and while they didn't review well and have a known hinge problem (makes clicking noises, but shouldn't fall apart) they are available from under $500 to around $900, all using dual core Sandy Bridge CPUs (even the Celeron). They use a 13.3" screen and weigh 3.6 pounds with the 4-cell battery and 4.1 pounds with the 6-cell battery. With the 4-cell they are within something like 0.1" of Ultrabook territory, but without the SSD and the high price. The higher end ones comes with Core i5 and more advanced features such as backlit keyboards.
 

rabbitz

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I get the need to ask for more info but it helps to do so in a respectful maner. He failed. Anyways zap already covered what I needed. I now know that laptops can be small and inexpensive. Last time I looked at laptops this wasn't the case. That's why I asked about netbooks. And I figured that atom being out dated that sb or ib would replace it at some point.

Ok so you admit that I was helping, just not in a 'respectful maner'. If anyone failed at all, it would be you.... you are letting your feelings get in the way of your ability to get the answers you need as quickly and as accurately as possible.

While it is true zap has provided an answer you wanted (maybe not the one you need), he did so through guesswork and making some good assumptions... but see the thing is... why make assumptions when finding out for sure is such a trivial thing to do?

Not to look down on you or anything, but I believe that we, as a community in general and not just myself, would be able to give you a much more appropriate and fitting solution by getting rid of all the tiny misconceptions and miscommunications by getting as close to the "raw" info as we can. I mean, to put it bluntly, we know what you 'need' better than you do.

For example... you 'know' you want an SB or IB processor because the atom is getting 'out dated'. Now, for the most part it doesn't REALLY matter if that is correct or not because you'll probably be happy with the SB regardless. However... the thing is... atom is NOT getting 'outdated'.... it is in an entirely different category from the mainstream sb/ib processors and are still being actively developed. In the same sense, there are current gen 'celerons' and 'pentiums' that also use the sandy bridge architecture although for most people you'd never make the connection... these would probably be better for battery life and cost if you are just going to be browsing the web and emailing for the most part. On the graphics side, if you want to be able to do a bit more than just watching 1080p videos on youtube, there is always amd's line of llano processors which are EXTREMELY well suited to those with low-cost, decent graphics capable and portable form factor needs.

Of course, you can argue that you don't care but really, ignoring my "attitude" and typing a 10 word reply is the cost of clearing up these assumptions, while saving money, being better informed and not running the risk of problems due to incorrect assumptions are the potential benefits. Doesn't take a genius to see the better way... and really how hard is it to swallow your pride on the internet where you are mostly anonymous anyway?


You also said you know you want a "netbook" and mentioned something about the size. Of course, the simplest and, no offence, laziest "good enough" solution is to just ignore the other properties of a laptop that are normally associated with a netbook, and just focus on the size requirement. Again, if we do this we might get 'lucky'... aka you are happy with the suggestion whether there are better ones or not because you'd never know anyway. And for 99% of the time this works and people move on with their lives... its not really a big deal honestly. But for me, there are two reasons why I don't take the easy way out. First of all, I take personal responsibility very seriously and, even though you might think this is silly, I want any recommendation I make to be to the best of my knowledge (and secretly hope it is better than everyone else's =P). Secondly, I have all the time in the world and I'm just doing this for fun anyway. I enjoy reading about computery stuff and I enjoy helping out... so why not? As a bonus, other readers will occasionally point to something I missed or overlooked which, in return, helps me make more informed decisions when it comes to buying stuff for myself. As for having all the time in the world, I guess you'll jsut have to take my word for it. I mean, I've typed this 5000 word essay for you already haven't I?

Ok well back to the topic... the thing about "netbooks", at least for me, was never that they were small. I had always had a general feeling, even before "ultrabooks" were a thing, that their most desirable quality was their cost.. with weight coming in second I guess. I remember being all excited when the first eee pc came out.. it was supposed to bring internet to those who could not afford it before.... like a gateway drug it would lure people into the world of computing and the new demand it created would cause a drop in prices for all laptops. As time moved on, their focus shifted around between some combination of cost, weight and battery life but the one thing that you consider a defining characteristic of a netbook, the size, was never really a goal and was really more of an undesirable consequence of maximizing the former three strengths. Even now... those three have been split into tablets (low weight, and long battery life but high cost, relative to the processing power) and ultrabooks (low weight and relatively high processing power, at the expense of price and a bit of battery life). Now, admittedly ultrabooks also compete in thinness but I see that as more of a result of apple's amazing ability to make people want something rather than any real sort of natural evolution. Anyway, excuse my tendency to ramble off topic, despite all these different products designed for different needs... I still feel like no one REALLY wants a smaller display. I'm going to even go so far as to say that people that 'want' a smaller display really just want a smaller price tag but don't know there are more options... Now I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with that, but of all the qualities of a netbook can you really say that anyone would DESIRE their displays? The displays were actually one of the reasons they could get the cost down so low... I mean besides obviously being cheaper to manufacture they would also use less power (for the same battery life, you could use a smaller/cheaper battery), require less power to drive them (similarly, for the same performance you could probably develop a weaker integrated gpu) and probably even as far as to discourage heavy multitasking which further reduced expectations and consequently raised perceived usefulness when people don't realize they are doing less, just that what they are doing seems to run as smoothly as on more powerful systems.

That said, the first thing that comes to mind when someone mentions "netbook" is low price, and then maybe 'atom' because I hear it all the time. Similarly, when someone tells me to find them a "small" laptop I think thin and stylish... meaning $$$.

So having said all that... can you see how much guessing you can prevent by just telling us? I'm just going to say that 600-700 for a laptop is a LOT these days.... especially a "netbook"...

For example, just now from another forum I frequent (not sure if I'm allowed to post here so I won't) there is a huge thread about a 13'' acer on sale from staples... sandy bridge i3-2310m, 4gb memory, 750gb hard drive, nvidia gt 540m graphics card and only at 4.1 lbs. It is going for $429.71 in store... and on top of that there is a 10% coupon floating around bringing it to $386.74! Sounds like a very good deal right? And yet still there are pages and pages of people hesitating to buy it because ivy bridge is just around the corner. I'm not saying this because I just want to make you feel bad or "win"... honestly I just want to help people. You might wonder... oh if it's such a good deal then why not just post this deal for every thread?? It's simple.... everyone has their own needs and if I just post the same laptop then I'm not much more than a spam bot right? Anyway I hope that, if nothing else, you will either get a better laptop from my deal or think that my deal sucks and make whatever other choice you go with look better by comparison. The only one that loses when you get mad on the internet is yourself ()



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You guys can stop bickering now. Just sayin'. :sneaky:

Whoops I just saw your reply... sorry. You can see I don't mean to offend anyone though, right? Maybe I need to work on my communication skills.. :\
 
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weez82

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Rabbitz you need to take a chill pill and stop assuming things. Everything I wanted to know I asked. If I said I was buying now I would post all my requirements for the netbook/laptop. But I'm not. I do want one but I'm in the window shopping faze right now. I learned what I needed from zaps reply. And now I'm back to looking till I come up with more questions. Then I'll post those. This is how I shop. All I know is the size I want. I have no budget set, don't know the performance needed just yet (just know that atom isn't what I need) and don't know all the features I want. If I know all that I would have posted it.

Sorry meds for keeping this going but when someone takes the time to write me an essay I feel I have a responsibility to reply to it
 

rabbitz

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Rabbitz you need to take a chill pill and stop assuming things. Everything I wanted to know I asked. If I said I was buying now I would post all my requirements for the netbook/laptop. But I'm not. I do want one but I'm in the window shopping faze right now. I learned what I needed from zaps reply. And now I'm back to looking till I come up with more questions. Then I'll post those. This is how I shop. All I know is the size I want. I have no budget set, don't know the performance needed just yet (just know that atom isn't what I need) and don't know all the features I want. If I know all that I would have posted it.

Sorry meds for keeping this going but when someone takes the time to write me an essay I feel I have a responsibility to reply to it

I guess I read too much into your initial post

Well to answer your actual question... intel is moving atom to an integrated SoC (system on a chip) indicating a move towards phone/tablet implementations. Ivy bridge is, in the simplest terms, everything else "Intel"... basically any form factor with an intel chip in it will be ivy bridge.
 

weez82

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That's a funny typo to quote out of context.

Lmao. Yeah i ment mods but I'm having one heck of a time typing all this out on my friends iPad. Nice device but take some getting used to. Oh well, made for a funny quote lol
 

b0mbrman

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It's a mix between marketing and philosophy, I'd say, and more of a coincidence that they intersect at their small size.

Ultrabooks see the size as a feature, whereas netbooks see it as just one of many means toward cutting cost.

There are a growing number that are right in the middle though; the already mentioned 11z is one of them. One thing I've found helpful is searching for business laptops (or enterprise or whatever). My guess is that businesses need to give workers an 11" or 12" for portability, but when they're buying dozens or hundreds of them, they need to save a few bucks on each one... Samsung and HP are two I know for sure do a midrange...
 
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