I get the need to ask for more info but it helps to do so in a respectful maner. He failed. Anyways zap already covered what I needed. I now know that laptops can be small and inexpensive. Last time I looked at laptops this wasn't the case. That's why I asked about netbooks. And I figured that atom being out dated that sb or ib would replace it at some point.
Ok so you admit that I was helping, just not in a 'respectful maner'. If anyone failed at all, it would be you.... you are letting your feelings get in the way of your ability to get the answers you need as quickly and as accurately as possible.
While it is true zap has provided an answer you wanted (maybe not the one you need), he did so through guesswork and making some good assumptions... but see the thing is... why make assumptions when finding out for sure is such a trivial thing to do?
Not to look down on you or anything, but I believe that we, as a community in general and not just myself, would be able to give you a much more appropriate and fitting solution by getting rid of all the tiny misconceptions and miscommunications by getting as close to the "raw" info as we can. I mean, to put it bluntly, we know what you 'need' better than you do.
For example... you 'know' you want an SB or IB processor because the atom is getting 'out dated'. Now, for the most part it doesn't REALLY matter if that is correct or not because you'll probably be happy with the SB regardless. However... the thing is... atom is NOT getting 'outdated'.... it is in an entirely different category from the mainstream sb/ib processors and are still being actively developed. In the same sense, there are current gen 'celerons' and 'pentiums' that also use the sandy bridge architecture although for most people you'd never make the connection... these would probably be better for battery life and cost if you are just going to be browsing the web and emailing for the most part. On the graphics side, if you want to be able to do a bit more than just watching 1080p videos on youtube, there is always amd's line of llano processors which are EXTREMELY well suited to those with low-cost, decent graphics capable and portable form factor needs.
Of course, you can argue that you don't care but really, ignoring my "attitude" and typing a 10 word reply is the cost of clearing up these assumptions, while saving money, being better informed and not running the risk of problems due to incorrect assumptions are the potential benefits. Doesn't take a genius to see the better way... and really how hard is it to swallow your pride on the internet where you are mostly anonymous anyway?
You also said you know you want a "netbook" and mentioned something about the size. Of course, the simplest and, no offence, laziest "good enough" solution is to just ignore the other properties of a laptop that are normally associated with a netbook, and just focus on the size requirement. Again, if we do this we might get 'lucky'... aka you are happy with the suggestion whether there are better ones or not because you'd never know anyway. And for 99% of the time this works and people move on with their lives... its not really a big deal honestly. But for me, there are two reasons why I don't take the easy way out. First of all, I take personal responsibility very seriously and, even though you might think this is silly, I want any recommendation I make to be to the best of my knowledge (and secretly hope it is better than everyone else's =P). Secondly, I have all the time in the world and I'm just doing this for fun anyway. I enjoy reading about computery stuff and I enjoy helping out... so why not? As a bonus, other readers will occasionally point to something I missed or overlooked which, in return, helps me make more informed decisions when it comes to buying stuff for myself. As for having all the time in the world, I guess you'll jsut have to take my word for it. I mean, I've typed this 5000 word essay for you already haven't I?
Ok well back to the topic... the thing about "netbooks", at least for me, was never that they were small. I had always had a general feeling, even before "ultrabooks" were a thing, that their most desirable quality was their cost.. with weight coming in second I guess. I remember being all excited when the first eee pc came out.. it was supposed to bring internet to those who could not afford it before.... like a gateway drug it would lure people into the world of computing and the new demand it created would cause a drop in prices for all laptops. As time moved on, their focus shifted around between some combination of cost, weight and battery life but the one thing that you consider a defining characteristic of a netbook, the size, was never really a goal and was really more of an undesirable consequence of maximizing the former three strengths. Even now... those three have been split into tablets (low weight, and long battery life but high cost, relative to the processing power) and ultrabooks (low weight and relatively high processing power, at the expense of price and a bit of battery life). Now, admittedly ultrabooks also compete in thinness but I see that as more of a result of apple's amazing ability to make people want something rather than any real sort of natural evolution. Anyway, excuse my tendency to ramble off topic, despite all these different products designed for different needs... I still feel like no one REALLY wants a smaller display. I'm going to even go so far as to say that people that 'want' a smaller display really just want a smaller price tag but don't know there are more options... Now I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with that, but of all the qualities of a netbook can you really say that anyone would DESIRE their displays? The displays were actually one of the reasons they could get the cost down so low... I mean besides obviously being cheaper to manufacture they would also use less power (for the same battery life, you could use a smaller/cheaper battery), require less power to drive them (similarly, for the same performance you could probably develop a weaker integrated gpu) and probably even as far as to discourage heavy multitasking which further reduced expectations and consequently raised perceived usefulness when people don't realize they are doing less, just that what they are doing seems to run as smoothly as on more powerful systems.
That said, the first thing that comes to mind when someone mentions "netbook" is low price, and then maybe 'atom' because I hear it all the time. Similarly, when someone tells me to find them a "small" laptop I think thin and stylish... meaning $$$.
So having said all that... can you see how much guessing you can prevent by just telling us? I'm just going to say that 600-700 for a laptop is a LOT these days.... especially a "netbook"...
For example, just now from another forum I frequent (not sure if I'm allowed to post here so I won't) there is a huge thread about a 13'' acer on sale from staples... sandy bridge i3-2310m, 4gb memory, 750gb hard drive, nvidia gt 540m graphics card and only at 4.1 lbs. It is going for $429.71 in store... and on top of that there is a 10% coupon floating around bringing it to $386.74! Sounds like a very good deal right? And yet still there are pages and pages of people hesitating to buy it because ivy bridge is just around the corner. I'm not saying this because I just want to make you feel bad or "win"... honestly I just want to help people. You might wonder... oh if it's such a good deal then why not just post this deal for every thread?? It's simple.... everyone has their own needs and if I just post the same laptop then I'm not much more than a spam bot right? Anyway I hope that, if nothing else, you will either get a better laptop from my deal or think that my deal sucks and make whatever other choice you go with look better by comparison. The only one that loses when you get mad on the internet is yourself ()
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You guys can stop bickering now. Just sayin'. :sneaky:
Whoops I just saw your reply... sorry. You can see I don't mean to offend anyone though, right? Maybe I need to work on my communication skills.. :\