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Yeah that's total bullshit. Kennedy was nominated because he was considered to be conservative. He was LESS conservative than Bork, but a moderate liberal? Total lie.
I didn't say Republicans thought he was a moderate liberal at the time...I'm saying that's what he turned out to be.

And, oh my, such the hard on! Time to take a cold shower my friend...it should help with your butthurt as well.
 

ivwshane

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Wouldn't it be amazing if Obama nominated a reasonable and qualified person just to show up the Republicans and then they confirmed him or her in a reasonable amount of time just to show up Obama? The entire nation would grind to a halt as we all stopped and stared.


Well . . . It WAS a hunting trip. And we don't know Dick Cheney wasn't there . . .


But you're missing the bigger picture. When Democrats do something it's only because they are super ethical super heroes making the hard decisions to save the world, whereas when Republicans do the exact same thing it's because they are evil old white men who want to murder babies and puppies. (Unless they are black Republicans - then they need to get back on the plantation and do as their Democrat Party betters tell them to do. How dare they have their own ideas as though they are real people!)

Which one of Obamas past nominees haven't been qualified and reasonable?

The difference between reagans nomination and this time is that the dems during reagans time were willing to actually vet reagans nomination, not only that but when Reagan finally offered up someone reasonable, the dems gave him unanimous approval.

But yeah, dems are the same. /s
 
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ivwshane

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I didn't say Republicans thought he was a moderate liberal at the time...I'm saying that's what he turned out to be.

And, oh my, such the hard on! Time to take a cold shower my friend...it should help with your butthurt as well.

We all can see exactly what you posted you fucking liar!
 

werepossum

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Someone was listening to ted cruz this morning.
Off the subject but I finally heard Cruz speak for the first time this weekend - and it was in Spanish!

Which one of Obamas past nominees haven't been qualified and unreasonable?

The difference between reagans nomination and this time is that the dems during reagans time were willing to actually vet reagans nomination, not only that but when Reagan finally offered up someone reasonable, the dems gave him unanimous approval.

But yeah, dems are the same. /s
Kagan was unqualified. She had never been a judge at all, which in my mind makes her completely unqualified as there is absolutely no way to know if she would rule according to the law, or according to what she feels the law should be. Sotomayor was at least arguably unreasonable, having asserted many times that a Latina would make better decisions than a white person. I'd argue that makes her unqualified as well - racism is not really a quality we should be appointing for life in positions of ultimate power. Judicially however she was qualified.
 
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Kagan was unqualified. She had never been a judge at all, which in my mind makes her completely unqualified as there is absolutely no way to know if she would rule according to the law, or according to what she feels the law should be. Sotomayor was at least arguably unreasonable, having asserted many times that a Latina would make better decisions than a white person. I'd argue that makes her unqualified as well - racism is not really a quality we should be appointing for life in positions of ultimate power. Judicially however she was qualified.
Why do you even bother? ivwshane's a pathetic hack and has proven himself to be completely incapable of reasonably intelligent and objective discussion. I'll give you an 'A' for effort though.
 
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JSt0rm

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Off the subject but I finally heard Cruz speak for the first time this weekend - and it was in Spanish!


Kagan was unqualified. She had never been a judge at all, which in my mind makes her completely unqualified as there is absolutely no way to know if she would rule according to the law, or according to what she feels the law should be. Sotomayor was at least arguably unreasonable, having asserted many times that a Latina would make better decisions than a white person. I'd argue that makes her unqualified as well - racism is not really a quality we should be appointing for life in positions of ultimate power. Judicially however she was qualified.


Kagen was the dean of Harvard law school.

A latina probably would make better decisions then a white person. But do you have the context for when she said that?

werepossum - You are a conservative through and through but you can be reasonable at times. Lets let this be one of those times. I know it hurts but come back to the center and lets all talk about the future.
 

Jhhnn

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Off the subject but I finally heard Cruz speak for the first time this weekend - and it was in Spanish!


Kagan was unqualified. She had never been a judge at all, which in my mind makes her completely unqualified as there is absolutely no way to know if she would rule according to the law, or according to what she feels the law should be. Sotomayor was at least arguably unreasonable, having asserted many times that a Latina would make better decisions than a white person. I'd argue that makes her unqualified as well - racism is not really a quality we should be appointing for life in positions of ultimate power. Judicially however she was qualified.

Give us a link to such quotes from Sotomayor, OK?

And of course the dean of Harvard law is unqualified because of something... something... something or other that needs to be truly nebulous.
 

JSt0rm

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ok thats still not context:

“I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn’t lived that life,”

thats what she said but it still doesnt have context. Was she referring to making judgements that impact a latina's life?

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/07/14/gomez.supreme.court/index.html?iref=24hours

there read that. Or not. I dont care.
 
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ok thats still not context:

“I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn’t lived that life,”

thats what she said but it still doesnt have context. Was she referring to making judgements that impact a latina's life?

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/07/14/gomez.supreme.court/index.html?iref=24hours

there read that. Or not. I dont care.
Much better source. I'm glad to see that it acknowledges that liberals were concerned by her comments as well.
 

zinfamous

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He's still conservative because he votes conservative "nearly half the time"? M'kay . . .

So I suppose an example of a moderate would be Darth Bader Ginsberg?

THe point is that he was accepted as toeing-the-line conservative when appointed. Reagan never "conceded" to liberals specifically with his nomination--he was a conservative.

Neither the current crop of conservatives having shifted the scales to what defines "conservative" over the last 3 decades, or Kennedy simply ruling in ways that the "conservatives" did not expect, do not impact the fact that he was nominated as a true-believer conservative.

because he was/is.

Now if you really want to grind your gears, think about that "turncoat" Souter!
 

ivwshane

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Why do you even bother? ivwshane's a pathetic hack and has proven himself to be completely incapable of reasonably intelligent and objective discussion. I'll give you an 'A' for effort though.

Says the guy that pretty much tells a lie in every thread he posts in. Says the guy that, when called out on his bullshit, later claims that he said something different than what his post actually says, says the guy that puts people on ignore and yet still manages to respond to ignored posters.

But you are right, it's me, not you that has issues. Lol!
 
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THe point is that he was accepted as toeing-the-line conservative when appointed. Reagan never "conceded" to liberals specifically with his nomination--he was a conservative.
It was definitely a concession....and it's dishonest to frame it otherwise. He gave them what he thought was a much less extreme and much more moderate conservative...but it turned out that Kennedy was a lot more liberal than hoped for. Ooops.
 

marincounty

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WTH is Clarence Thomas going to do now? He asks no questions and votes with Scalia almost every time.
Will his head explode from all of the thinking he must do now, or will he just vote like Roberts or Alito?
 
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