SCOTUS Nomination Thread

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Fern

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so Gov. Sandoval turns it down.
wonder if it's more pressure from his repub overlords than personal preference?

IIRC, he was already a judge and switched to a career in politics. I.e., it seems like he's had enough of being a judge already.

I could see pressure (or just common sense) to not allow one's self, particularly a Repub politician, to be used as a pawn by Obama against the Repub party in an election year. I doubt under the circumstances hearing one's name on the news is hardly welcomed.

Fern
 

Jhhnn

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It was probably a realization that he didn't want to be anyone's pawn. He had nothing to gain by accepting the nomination except for a headache.

IIRC, he was already a judge and switched to a career in politics. I.e., it seems like he's had enough of being a judge already.

I could see pressure (or just common sense) to not allow one's self, particularly a Repub politician, to be used as a pawn by Obama against the Repub party in an election year. I doubt under the circumstances hearing one's name on the news is hardly welcomed.

Fern

Remarkably twisted thinking. The only people playing games here are Repubs. If they win the presidency Sandoval's nomination would be a sure bet should it occur.

The only reason they'd have to turn him away now is because Obama.
 

Roflmouth

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Remarkably twisted thinking. The only people playing games here are Repubs.

They're the only ones *winning*. Obama tried and failed (as usual) to trap the Republicans, and was immediately and embarrassingly shut down. Try not to cry
 

ivwshane

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They're the only ones *winning*. Obama tried and failed (as usual) to trap the Republicans, and was immediately and embarrassingly shut down. Try not to cry

You do realize that Obama hasn't done anything yet so I'm not sure how he failed.
 

ivwshane

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Remarkably twisted thinking. The only people playing games here are Repubs. If they win the presidency Sandoval's nomination would be a sure bet should it occur.

The only reason they'd have to turn him away now is because Obama.

The fact that the repubs are the ones playing games doesn't change anything. You seem to be under the illusion that the repubs are bluffing. What in the last seven years gives you that feeling?
 

Jhhnn

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They're the only ones *winning*. Obama tried and failed (as usual) to trap the Republicans, and was immediately and embarrassingly shut down. Try not to cry

He tried to trap them how, exactly? Nominating somebody they might like is a trap in what sense, other than denying them a platform from which to posture & pander?

When a sitting member of the SCOTUS passes on it is the President's duty to nominate a successor. It is the Senate's duty to advise & consent, absent serious problems with the nominee.

You seem to think that the posturing & pandering are more important than duty & love of Country.
 

HomerJS

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He tried to trap them how, exactly? Nominating somebody they might like is a trap in what sense, other than denying them a platform from which to posture & pander?

When a sitting member of the SCOTUS passes on it is the President's duty to nominate a successor. It is the Senate's duty to advise & consent, absent serious problems with the nominee.

You seem to think that the posturing & pandering are more important than duty & love of Country.

Its called blind hate. If he nominates someone they might like its a trap. If he nominates someone they don't like its a trap.

He should just nominate Loretta Lynch. Let he go up to the hill and record the sitting outside Republican offices and the door remains closed.
 

Jhhnn

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The fact that the repubs are the ones playing games doesn't change anything. You seem to be under the illusion that the repubs are bluffing. What in the last seven years gives you that feeling?

Repubs would likely confirm Sandoval in a heartbeat if he were nominated by a Repub president. They're not necessarily bluffing, but they're def posturing.

I'm sure they'll hold out until after the primaries & likely until after the election unless it turns into an electoral liability. It will be for some of their caucus, I'm sure. Mitch may well prioritize holding the SCOTUS above holding a Senate majority & be willing to throw them under the bus in playing the longshot that they'll get a Repub prez.

It's very complicated & dangerous over in Republican Land right now
 

Moonbeam

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The Republican senate should be jailed for treason for putting party interests above the welfare of the nation. Advise and consent was never meant to allow one party to block all appointments by a President of the other party.
 

zinfamous

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The Republican senate should be jailed for treason for putting party interests above the welfare of the nation. Advise and consent was never meant to allow one party to block all appointments by a President of the other party.

"Well, we advised the president that we aren't going to do our constitutional job, so that is us doing our constitutional job!"

And I guaranfucking-tee you that half the retards on this board see that statement as perfectly logical.
 

Jaskalas

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The Republican senate should be jailed for treason for putting party interests above the welfare of the nation. Advise and consent was never meant to allow one party to block all appointments by a President of the other party.

I'll agree to that if you agree that Obama and Biden are in the same boat, for their "crimes" in 1992 and 2006.
 

umbrella39

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Surely you realize that arguing against then not doing and actually blocking 79 nominations to the courts is not the same thing... right ?
 

OrByte

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"Well, we advised the president that we aren't going to do our constitutional job, so that is us doing our constitutional job!"

And I guaranfucking-tee you that half the retards on this board see that statement as perfectly logical.
And taking that position essentially upends the Presidents responsibility to nominate a candidate in the first place. It places the Senate powers above the powers of POTUS, with respect to Supreme Court nominations. It sets a horrendous precedent.

The POTUS is constitutionally bound to do his job, so he will. So when a candidate is selected and the Committee Chair (Grassley) refuses to schedule hearings and conduct the vetting process then I think there begins a Constitutional crisis.

Which might then result in a lawsuit filed that may ultimately be heard by, the Supreme Court

So, why do Senate Republicans hate the Constitution so much?
 
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thraashman

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I'll agree to that if you agree that Obama and Biden are in the same boat, for their "crimes" in 1992 and 2006.

Except that in Biden's case the situation of a SCOTUS vacancy didn't occur in 1992. And for Obama, he filibustered a specific, extremely ideological justice. Filibustering a specific justice for legitimate concerns is EXTREMELY different than the childish bullshit the current GOP is pulling. Seriously, 3rd grade students act more maturely than the current GOP members of Congress.
 

Jhhnn

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It's all talk at this point so I encourage Obama to make a nomination & make it real.

Hell- make it a true blue liberal to pin Repubs to their position where Dems can beat the crap out of them between now & the election. It'd rev up the base rather nicely.
 

CountZero

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It's all talk at this point so I encourage Obama to make a nomination & make it real.

Hell- make it a true blue liberal to pin Repubs to their position where Dems can beat the crap out of them between now & the election. It'd rev up the base rather nicely.

That would be incredibly dumb. If Obama picks a moderate he will be following the "Schumer/Biden/Obama Rule" by recognizing the fact that the senate and president are at ideological odds.

Picking a "true blue liberal" would be a non-starter. It plays into the rhetoric the republicans are hoping for and when they don't vote it would energize the base.

Obama will nominate a moderate, likely one that has gained broad Republican support in the past. If McConnell and company stick to their guns against a moderate it will paint them as partisan hacks and independents will rip into any senator in a close state. If McConnell and company cave in to a moderate it might work out ok for them (the base will view it as good politics, look at this board for examples) independents might just look the other way.

What the Reps are claiming they will do has no precedence. If they actually follow through and pay no political price it will change the political landscape for generations. In such a case I don't personally believe our political system can be seen as functioning any more.
 

werepossum

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That would be incredibly dumb. If Obama picks a moderate he will be following the "Schumer/Biden/Obama Rule" by recognizing the fact that the senate and president are at ideological odds.

Picking a "true blue liberal" would be a non-starter. It plays into the rhetoric the republicans are hoping for and when they don't vote it would energize the base.

Obama will nominate a moderate, likely one that has gained broad Republican support in the past. If McConnell and company stick to their guns against a moderate it will paint them as partisan hacks and independents will rip into any senator in a close state. If McConnell and company cave in to a moderate it might work out ok for them (the base will view it as good politics, look at this board for examples) independents might just look the other way.

What the Reps are claiming they will do has no precedence. If they actually follow through and pay no political price it will change the political landscape for generations. In such a case I don't personally believe our political system can be seen as functioning any more.
I pretty much agree, although I'd point out that virtually every time the Dems don't get their way, their supporters declare that our political system no longer works. But you're certainly right that if Obama nominates a progressive activist, politician or academian, then the Pubbies have political cover to not consider that nominee. If on the other hand Obama nominates a moderate who has previously received little GOP resistance, then the Republicans will pay a political price for not holding hearings and a vote. This is as it should be; a reasonable, qualified nominee deserves honest and timely vetting, hearings and a vote. I'd even go further and say that an unreasonable nominee deserves honest and timely vetting, hearings and a vote, but that's debatable; when the Democrats were the ones obstructing, some people here argued that by not voting, they were doing their job, but I maintain that not doing one's job is not an acceptable way of doing one's job.
 

piasabird

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I think before a nomination is considered, Obama's nomination for attorney general should start doing here job by arresting Hillary Clinton on violations of her security clearance and sharing classified e-mails with her friends. (we call that espionage). How is she any different than Snowden?

No justice, so no supreme court justice.
 
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I think before a nomination is considered, Obama's nomination for attorney general should start doing here job by arresting Hillary Clinton on violations of her security clearance and sharing classified e-mails with her friends. (we call that espionage). How is she any different than Snowden?

No justice, so no supreme court justice.

Then go after Condoleezza Rice and Colon Powell because they used non government email too just to a lesser extent.

**please note this isn't saying people in government should run their own email servers**
 

werepossum

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Then go after Condoleezza Rice and Colon Powell because they used non government email too just to a lesser extent.

**please note this isn't saying people in government should run their own email servers**
Actually Condoleezza Rice did no government business on non-government email and damned little on government email. Powell, certainly, and most of the Bush and Clinton administrations. The Hildabeast is just pushing the envelope of what they all do.
 

werepossum

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This has to be the dirtiest political manuvering I've seen in my lifetime:
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/republican-groups-dirt-supreme-court-nominee-219872
This is just shameful beyond any party lines.
Seriously, you have to be joking. This is simply party politics. The Dems even gave us a new verb, to bork, based on making up and slinging slime. This is no different from the Dems sponsoring Anita Hill or sending dozens of operatives to dig up dirt of Palin.
 
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Actually Condoleezza Rice did no government business on non-government email and damned little on government email. Powell, certainly, and most of the Bush and Clinton administrations. The Hildabeast is just pushing the envelope of what they all do.

I though Condi used an AOL account or something similar a few times?

I could be wrong

My point is our Government should be able to understand that effective, secure & convenient email is not an option today its a requirement. We should be able to get consensus to fund, maintain and replace aging computers, handhelds and servers like any other business does. Admittedly Hillary's private server was most likely to keep freedom of information trolls away. We all need to acknowledge she gets trolled far more than anyone else. This isn't meant to be an excuse.
 
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